General Discussion on CMNT

[BuzzAndSting]

1 hour ago, Sal333 said:

Does anyone know how much CSA keeps from the gate receipts of say the last BMO Field game or the upcoming games at Commonwealth Stadium?

The reason I ask is because Herdman got all giddy about a 15 million windfall if they make the 2022 WC. Don't get me wrong 15 million is nothing to sneeze at but divided by 4 years that works out to 3.75 million a year. That's the reason for my question about gate receipts. Can't CSA make that much by simply staging 5 or 6 games a year?

The last time I checked, which would have been 2019, the CSA’s total annual revenue was about $12M.

[theaub]

1 hour ago, Sal333 said:

Does anyone know how much CSA keeps from the gate receipts of say the last BMO Field game or the upcoming games at Commonwealth Stadium?

The reason I ask is because Herdman got all giddy about a 15 million windfall if they make the 2022 WC. Don't get me wrong 15 million is nothing to sneeze at but divided by 4 years that works out to 3.75 million a year. That's the reason for my question about gate receipts. Can't CSA make that much by simply staging 5 or 6 games a year?

Historically, friendlies don't make money for the CSA (thus why they never have them).

Obviously with these levels of attendance things may change, but remember that WC money is $15M with zero expenses attached to it.

[gator]

I didn't know where else to post this article so here it is, a blast from the past:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/canada-world-cup-1986-nl-1.6234124

[Corazon]

Final Statistics for Canadians in MLS 2021

Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	G	A
Russell Teibert	Vancouver	CM	33	29	2421	1	2
Kamal Miller	Montreal	CB	27	26	2377	1	3
Richie Laryea	Toronto	RB	27	26	2294	3	1
Alistair Johnston	Nashville	RB	26	24	2144	1	1
Zach Brault-Guillard	Montreal	RB	30	23	2056	2	3
Mathieu Choiniere	Montreal	CM	26	24	1992	2	0
Mark Anthony Kaye	Colorado	CM	25	23	1862	1	3
Joel Waterman	Montreal	CB	22	21	1854	0	3
Tajon Buchanan	New England	RW	27	19	1749	8	5
Samuel Piette	Montreal	CM	25	19	1714	1	2
Jonathan Osorio	Toronto	CM	24	19	1653	4	2
Cristian Gutierrez	Vancouver	LB	19	17	1546	0	3
Raheem Edwards	Los Angeles	LW	27	15	1369	0	2
Tesho Akindele	Orlando	ST	32	15	1360	3	6
Michael Baldisimo	Vancouver	CM	21	12	1254	0	0
Zorhan Bassong	Montreal	LB	26	13	1248	0	1
Lucas Cavallini	Vancouver	ST	21	14	1229	3	1
Jay Chapman	Miami	CM	25	13	1185	0	2
Liam Fraser	Columbus (from Toronto)	CM	24	11	1166	0	0
Jacob Shaffelburg	Toronto	LW	20	11	995	3	3
Noble Okello	Toronto	CM	14	10	854	1	1
Tyler Pasher	Houston	ST	19	9	844	4	3
Ayo Akinola	Toronto	ST	11	8	649	3	0
Ralph Priso	Toronto	CM	11	7	575	1	2
Luke Singh	Toronto	CB	6	5	447	1	0
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty	Toronto	CM	11	4	421	0	1
Ryan Raposo	Vancouver	CM	21	3	372	0	2
Ashtone Morgan	Salt Lake	LB	8	4	371	0	0
Patrick Metcalfe	Vancouver	CM	13	4	361	0	0
Clement Bayiha	Montreal	RB	10	2	281	0	0
Jayden Nelson	Toronto	RW	7	3	247	0	1
Tosaint Ricketts	Vancouver	ST	14	0	173	0	0
Derek Cornelious	Vancouver (to Panetolikos)	CB	5	1	144	0	0
Jordan Peruzza	Toronto	ST	5	0	137	1	0
Marcus Godinho	Vancouver	RB	4	1	114	0	0
Julian Dunn-Johnson	Toronto	CB	1	1	90	0	0
Kamron Habibullah	Vancouver	CM	3	0	34	0	0
Theo Bair	Vancouver	ST	4	0	27	0	0
Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla	Montreal	ST	2	0	19	0	0
Rida Zouhir	Montreal	CM	2	0	16	0	0
Damiano Pecile	Vancouver (to Venezia)	CM
Simon Colyn	Vancouver (to SPAL)	CM
Gianfranco Facchineri	Vancouver	CB
Matteo Campagna	Vancouver	CM
Rocco Romeo	Toronto (to Valour)	CB
Sean Rea	Montreal (to Valour FC)	CM
Tomas Giraldo	Montreal (to FC Edmonton)	CM
Karifa Yao	Montreal (to Cavalry FC)	CB
Keesean Ferdinand	Montreal (to Atletico Ottawa)	CB
Ismael Kone	Montreal	CM
Jean-Aniel Assi	Montreal	ST
Nathan-Dylan Saliba	Montreal	CM
Callum Montgomery	Minnesota (to San Diego)	CB
Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA
Maxime Crepeau	Vancouver	GK	27	27	2430	96	31
James Pantemis	Montreal	GK	18	18	1620	56	27
Sebastian Breza	Montreal (from Bologna)	GK	8	8	720	21	8
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver	GK	7	7	630	20	14
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota	GK	4	4	360	11	10
Greg Ranjitsingh	Philadelphia	GK
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver	GK
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal (to Valour FC)	GK

Edited November 8, 2021 by Corazon

[Corazon]

Canadians in MLS Continued

2019

Players - 32 - Minutes - 31,309 - Goals - 42 - Assists - 36

2020

Players - 41 - Minutes - 26,227 - Goals - 35 - Assists - 27

2020 (Calculated to a 34 Game Season)

Players - 41 - Minutes - 38,770 - Goals - 52 - Assists - 40

2021

Players - 45 - Minutes - 45,404 - Goals - 44 - Assists - 53

[Obinna]

Goals and assists are basically level from last year, even though minutes are substantially up.

Do we attribute this to the emergence of our defenders getting regular time now, such as Miller, Bassong, Waterman, etc.

Or.....do we just blame Cavallini for having a shit season

[Kadenge]

7 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Goals and assists are basically level from last year, even though minutes are substantially up.

Do we attribute this to the emergence of our defenders getting regular time now, such as Miller, Bassong, Waterman, etc.

Or.....do we just blame Cavallini for having a shit season

Ayo was also injured as well

[Corazon]

Canadians in USL Championship (Regular Season Stats)

Player	Current Club	Position	GP	GS	MP	G	A
Ryan James	Birmingham Legion FC	Defender	32	27	2409	0	4
Malik Johnson	Real Monarchs	Midfielder	31	25	2218	1	3
Skylar Thomas	Memphis 901 FC	Defender	28	24	2028	2	0
Aidan Daniels	Oklahoma City Energy	Midfielder	30	22	2004	3	0
Karl Ouimette	Indy Eleven	Defender	25	20	1717	2	0
Zachary Ellis-Hayden	Oklahoma City Energy	Defender	22	17	1480	1	2
Kembo Kibato	FC Tulsa	Midfielder	29	15	1463	2	1
Adonijah Reid	Miami FC	Forward	29	9	989	6	2
Jordan Hamilton	Indy Eleven	Forward	18	9	888	5	0
Dayonn Harris	Tampa Bay Rowdies	Midfielder	17	7	559	0	1
Massimo Ferrin	Loudon FC United	Forward	15	6	518	0	0
Ashtone Morgan	Real Monarchs	Defender	4	4	360	0	0
Matthew Srbely	Tampa Bay Rowdies	Midfielder	12	2	259	0	0
Jordan Peruzza	San Antonio	Forward	6	1	156	1	0
Carl Haworth	Indy Eleven	Defender	4	0	50	0	0
Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA
Sean Melvin	Colorado Springs Switchbacks	Goalkeeper	24	24	2160	71	36

[Joe MacCarthy]

2 hours ago, gator said:

I didn't know where else to post this article so here it is, a blast from the past:

Maybe the Blast From the Past thread?

[narduch]

1 hour ago, Corazon said:

Final Statistics for Canadians in MLS 2021

Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	G	A
Russell Teibert	Vancouver	CM	33	29	2421	1	2
Kamal Miller	Montreal	CB	27	26	2377	1	3
Richie Laryea	Toronto	RB	27	26	2294	3	1
Alistair Johnston	Nashville	RB	26	24	2144	1	1
Zach Brault-Guillard	Montreal	RB	30	23	2056	2	3
Mathieu Choiniere	Montreal	CM	26	24	1992	2	0
Mark Anthony Kaye	Colorado	CM	25	23	1862	1	3
Joel Waterman	Montreal	CB	22	21	1854	0	3
Tajon Buchanan	New England	RW	27	19	1749	8	5
Samuel Piette	Montreal	CM	25	19	1714	1	2
Jonathan Osorio	Toronto	CM	24	19	1653	4	2
Cristian Gutierrez	Vancouver	LB	19	17	1546	0	3
Raheem Edwards	Los Angeles	LW	27	15	1369	0	2
Tesho Akindele	Orlando	ST	32	15	1360	3	6
Michael Baldisimo	Vancouver	CM	21	12	1254	0	0
Zorhan Bassong	Montreal	LB	26	13	1248	0	1
Lucas Cavallini	Vancouver	ST	21	14	1229	3	1
Jay Chapman	Miami	CM	25	13	1185	0	2
Liam Fraser	Columbus (from Toronto)	CM	24	11	1166	0	0
Jacob Shaffelburg	Toronto	LW	20	11	995	3	3
Noble Okello	Toronto	CM	14	10	854	1	1
Tyler Pasher	Houston	ST	19	9	844	4	3
Ayo Akinola	Toronto	ST	11	8	649	3	0
Ralph Priso	Toronto	CM	11	7	575	1	2
Luke Singh	Toronto	CB	6	5	447	1	0
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty	Toronto	CM	11	4	421	0	1
Ryan Raposo	Vancouver	CM	21	3	372	0	2
Ashtone Morgan	Salt Lake	LB	8	4	371	0	0
Patrick Metcalfe	Vancouver	CM	13	4	361	0	0
Clement Bayiha	Montreal	RB	10	2	281	0	0
Jayden Nelson	Toronto	RW	7	3	247	0	1
Tosaint Ricketts	Vancouver	ST	14	0	173	0	0
Derek Cornelious	Vancouver (to Panetolikos)	CB	5	1	144	0	0
Jordan Peruzza	Toronto	ST	5	0	137	1	0
Marcus Godinho	Vancouver	RB	4	1	114	0	0
Julian Dunn-Johnson	Toronto	CB	1	1	90	0	0
Kamron Habibullah	Vancouver	CM	3	0	34	0	0
Theo Bair	Vancouver	ST	4	0	27	0	0
Ballou Jean-Yves Tabla	Montreal	ST	2	0	19	0	0
Rida Zouhir	Montreal	CM	2	0	16	0	0
Damiano Pecile	Vancouver (to Venezia)	CM
Simon Colyn	Vancouver (to SPAL)	CM
Gianfranco Facchineri	Vancouver	CB
Matteo Campagna	Vancouver	CM
Rocco Romeo	Toronto (to Valour)	CB
Sean Rea	Montreal (to Valour FC)	CM
Tomas Giraldo	Montreal (to FC Edmonton)	CM
Karifa Yao	Montreal (to Cavalry FC)	CB
Keesean Ferdinand	Montreal (to Atletico Ottawa)	CB
Ismael Kone	Montreal	CM
Jean-Aniel Assi	Montreal	ST
Nathan-Dylan Saliba	Montreal	CM
Callum Montgomery	Minnesota (to San Diego)	CB
Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA
Maxime Crepeau	Vancouver	GK	27	27	2430	96	31
James Pantemis	Montreal	GK	18	18	1620	56	27
Sebastian Breza	Montreal (from Bologna)	GK	8	8	720	21	8
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver	GK	7	7	630	20	14
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota	GK	4	4	360	11	10
Greg Ranjitsingh	Philadelphia	GK
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver	GK
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal (to Valour FC)	GK

The one noticeable thing here is that we have had no new college players rise up this season. Whereas the year(s) before Miller, Johnston and Buchanan became regular MLSers and are now stand outs for us.

 

[RS]

12 minutes ago, narduch said:

The one noticeable thing here is that we have had no new college players rise up this season. Whereas the year(s) before Miller, Johnston and Buchanan became regular MLSers and are now stand outs for us.

 

Did COVID play a part in that? 2020 had a huge impact on most sports, NCAA soccer included.

[narduch]

14 minutes ago, RS said:

Did COVID play a part in that? 2020 had a huge impact on most sports, NCAA soccer included.

Not sure. 

It's not the end of the world as we have other development avenues. Just thought it was interesting 

[Craig11rm]

4 hours ago, Obinna said:

Goals and assists are basically level from last year, even though minutes are substantially up.

Do we attribute this to the emergence of our defenders getting regular time now, such as Miller, Bassong, Waterman, etc.

Or.....do we just blame Cavallini for having a shit season

A lot of goalie minutes too I think. Montreal and Vancouver were with Canadian keepers basically all year.

[kacbru]

Wow - who would have thought Teibert would have been topping the table for minutes played at the start of the year!

[VinceA]

1 hour ago, kacbru said:

Wow - who would have thought Teibert would have been topping the table for minutes played at the start of the year!

I think this is the most games Teibert has played for Vancouver in a season in his whole career. Kinda funny though that it coincides with his exclusion with the national team.

[Corazon]

1 hour ago, kacbru said:

Wow - who would have thought Teibert would have been topping the table for minutes played at the start of the year!

Teibert is always up at the top.  The previous two seasons, he had the 3rd most minutes played for an outfield Canadian.  He did play 200 more minutes this season than he did in 2019.  In 2019, he was behind Kaye & Piette and in 2020 he was behind Piette & ZBG.

[red card]

11 hours ago, Sal333 said:

Does anyone know how much CSA keeps from the gate receipts of say the last BMO Field game or the upcoming games at Commonwealth Stadium?

The reason I ask is because Herdman got all giddy about a 15 million windfall if they make the 2022 WC. Don't get me wrong 15 million is nothing to sneeze at but divided by 4 years that works out to 3.75 million a year. That's the reason for my question about gate receipts. Can't CSA make that much by simply staging 5 or 6 games a year?

We're not yet Mexico that can get 50-80k at US$100+ ticket prices for US-based friendlies vs run of the mill to good opponents with at times playing a B team.

Other model is the US which charges a bit less but still many tix priced between US$100-300. But if the opponent isn't considered sexy/no US fan base and/or the US is fielding a B team, they have hard time getting 20k.

Given how many complained about Toronto WCQ ticket prices, Canada will need to wait till qualified for the WC before charging $100+ for a friendly. Getting a top 15 nation to come to Canada will also require a nice outlay. Or as done before, we'll need to get a 2nd tier nation with huge diaspora in Canada/border US cities like Turkey, Iran, Algeria, Nigeria....

For the ~C$15 million (it's actually closer to C$14m), after paying out player/staff bonuses & WC prep expenses (FIFA allocates US$2m), there will be about C$9-10 million left.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by red card

[JamboAl]

Just as a comparison, FIFA is offering fans a package to follow every game of a team in the group stage starting at US $950 a ticket per game (US $2,850 for three matches).  This is obviously including hospitality but you won’t be able to get into a match for under US $350.

https://hospitality.fifa.com/2022/en/e-commerce/buy-packages?PTG=TSS;TSM

 

[BearcatSA]

16 hours ago, theaub said:

Historically, friendlies don't make money for the CSA (thus why they never have them).

Obviously with these levels of attendance things may change, but remember that WC money is $15M with zero expenses attached to it.

The situation with friendlies may change significantly during the lead up and qualification for those other countires hoping to get to the 2026 WC.  We are going to be a sexy friendly opponent for the world's high profile heavy weights.  

[Blackjack15]

-  How Ugbo was CanMNT-eligible

- Ugbo scouting report

- Under-the-radar duals to watch 

- Did Cavallini deserve a call?

- Previewing Canada vs Costa Rica 

 

[theaub]

8 hours ago, BearcatSA said:

The situation with friendlies may change significantly during the lead up and qualification for those other countires hoping to get to the 2026 WC.  We are going to be a sexy friendly opponent for the world's high profile heavy weights.  

Absolutely, assume a lot of high calibre teams will want to play in the US which bodes well for us.

[Cblake]

8 hours ago, BearcatSA said:

The situation with friendlies may change significantly during the lead up and qualification for those other countires hoping to get to the 2026 WC.  We are going to be a sexy friendly opponent for the world's high profile heavy weights.  

Another option would be to have Canada paired up with one of the five team groups in UEFA 2026 World Cup Qualifying similar to what they have done with Qatar to get them matches against quality opponents. It would get Canada 10 games in the lead up to 2026. It is certainly something worth looking into. 

[baulderdash77]

23 hours ago, Obinna said:

Goals and assists are basically level from last year, even though minutes are substantially up.

Do we attribute this to the emergence of our defenders getting regular time now, such as Miller, Bassong, Waterman, etc.

Or.....do we just blame Cavallini for having a shit season

It’s 2020 grossed up to 2021.  Aye being out is the biggest difference.

[narduch]

Sounds like Nations League will be back.

I would have rather played some high profile friendlies instead. 

[dyslexic nam]

30 minutes ago, Cblake said:

Another option would be to have Canada paired up with one of the five team groups in UEFA 2026 World Cup Qualifying similar to what they have done with Qatar to get them matches against quality opponents. It would get Canada 10 games in the lead up to 2026. It is certainly something worth looking into. 

 No idea what would be involved in making that happen, but that would be sexy as hell.