aslemko Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Razcal said: The counter argument is likely that they couldn't afford it in non-world cup years. 1 minute ago, Razcal said: The counter argument is likely that they couldn't afford it in non-world cup years. The players dont get World Cup renenue in non World Cup years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 And to see Gareth Wheeler shaking his head at questions regarding CSB was a little peculiar if not alarming. That's pretty biased the way he unconditionally seems to support his bosses. Understandable, but not very journalistic. Why not answer the questions about CSB instead of criticizing them!? The whole thing stinks. The press conference swung the needle further to the players imo. Corazon, canuckgbp, king1010 and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, king1010 said: Does this put canmnt versus cpl players now? Owners can only fund so much. CSA gets a cut from the CSB deal, up to Bontis to explain what they are doing with their cut. At the time when the CSB thing happened, no one was willing to do anything about those properties. I find it weird that everyone in the media is questioning it now...I'm like "where were you 5 years ago"? Jedi Ram, Diego, Red and White and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, JohnnyFranchise said: Yah, i took it from the players statement that they asked for 40% for both teams combined. But like you said, it's not clear at all. We still don't know what is in the players' proposal - there was an allusion to the player's initial proposal being 100% of the $10 million which would prevent the CSA from buying them the extra tickets they want (which apparently, was something that was not in the proposal but only stated in the player's letter to media/fans). Who knows what else was being asked for inititally, but if its been revised since then for what was in their Dear Canada letter, since Bontis said that they have already addressed the women's issue complaint in their letter & will sort out the tickets, that leaves a financial dispute over how much the player's bonus will be. narduch, johnyb, The Real Marc and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, JohnnyFranchise said: Yah, i took it from the players statement that they asked for 40% for both teams combined. But like you said, it's not clear at all. glad it's not just me. JohnnyFranchise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, Ansem said: At the time when the CSB thing happened, no one was willing to do anything about those properties. I find it weird that everyone in the media is questioning it now...I'm like "where were you 5 years ago"? Five years ago people weren't asking questions, fair. But there's not a statute of limitations on questions, and so they're asking them now. Rather than deflect and criticize the timing, they should answer the questions. TOcanadafan, Sal333, RS and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTransport Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, RJB said: And to see Gareth Wheeler shaking his head at questions regarding CSB was a little peculiar if not alarming. That's pretty biased the way he unconditionally seems to support his bosses. Understandable, but not very journalistic. Why not answer the questions about CSB instead of criticizing them!? The whole thing stinks. The press conference swung the needle further to the players imo. I think that’s a problem with journalism in general today, not just in this situation. DoyleG, TOcanadafan and RJB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFranchise Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, Califax said: glad it's not just me. Lots of head-scratching going on around here, I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razcal Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Califax said: Sharman made a good point. The people who think there was a magic pot of money out there are full of shit. Most of these guys are on one soccer because bell and rogers fired everyone and funnelled the money into hockey. Our Canadian public broadcaster gambled on getting hockey rights, crippled the sports department, and never really recovered. It would be seriously frustrating for James to hear people thinking that there's big royalties and money to be had when a shit ton of people lost their jobs. Before OneSoccer came around and the Media Pro deal was signed, the CSA had to often pay the networks to air their games. Who knows, maybe the CSA negotiated poorly and gave up more than they should have? Had they been able to predict our qualification to the world cup they probably would have negotiated a better deal. It's likely they got giddy there was money coming in to invest in Canadian soccer, a professional league, and a full time steaming service and signed the deal on the spot because they felt it was too good to be true. Either way, I'd love to see the full details of the agreement, at the very least that should be shared with the Players Club Linesman, Kent, Jedi Ram and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Ansem said: CSA gets a cut from the CSB deal, up to Bontis to explain what they are doing with their cut. At the time when the CSB thing happened, no one was willing to do anything about those properties. I find it weird that everyone in the media is questioning it now...I'm like "where were you 5 years ago"? Well it sounds like the players got the first thing they wanted. Pressure and eyeballs on the CSA and CSB relationship. Let’s see if they get more of what they are looking for. SirBobsaget 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Soro17 said: Likely a player agent who, while technically a lawyer, really isn’t one. The kind of law firms that professional sports teams / leagues use would never put out a letter like that. Neither would an actual PR firm. The drafting is amateurish and it displays naivety on key issues that is quite shocking. The leaks to Rick Westhead suggest a player agent as well. Like Canucksfan, I am a lawyer. I would receive something better from one of our articling students. The agents know that Westhead wouldn't do his research into he topic or any verification. He would just run with the story as if nothings wrong with it. red card 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) This isn't rocket science. The CPL likely requires a bulk of the CSB money to stay operational. Anyone who followed the MNT and formation of the CPL and now acting "WHAT THE HELL?! WHERE IS THE MONEY" are being ignorant to the reality that everyone knew about setting up the league. It was going to take money and be a long slog. Edited June 6, 2022 by mpg_29 Red and White, red card, narduch and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razcal Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, aslemko said: The players dont get World Cup renenue in non World Cup years. They still get appearance fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksfan Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, DoyleG said: The agents know that Westhead wouldn't do his research into he topic or any verification. He would just run with the story as if nothings wrong with it. Westhead is one of the best and most respected sports journalists in this country. SirBobsaget, Scottie, canuckgbp and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I think there are going to be a lot of pissed off former and current players after that craziness. That was just stupid. He’s a lying asshole ! My favourite line, since I’ve been president I had chance see behide the curtain ( paraphrasing). Nick you lying bastard you’ve been a board member for years. Vice President even. You should’ve have known what the full situation was. Shway, canucksfan, sstackho and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil03 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I mean, Wheeler is probably not wrong that until recently there wasn't all that much interest from broadcasters (altough the lack of flexibility of it being probably a package deal with the CPL probably didn't help matters, whether it make a difference or not is a different questions...) but those things change. That's why you don't saddle yourself with a long term deal with lower revenues just when there is a bright generation coming in! That isn't even sports, its business 101. You keep your freedom of action! SirBobsaget, Sal333 and SpecialK 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhCanadaOhBaby Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I think the root of a lot of this is that yes, the CSB deal was the best thing for CS at the time it was signed -when Qatar was just a twinkle in Johns eyes. But now, that is not the case. Thus, the agreement needs to be altered ever so slightly because If the players and CSA want to capitalize on this and exceed our projected growth to become the soccer nation we need to be, we need a new deal. While the CSA higher ups are a problem and changes are needed, the biggest change in this situation has to be the CSB deal or arrangement of new funds to boost our capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, RJB said: And to see Gareth Wheeler shaking his head at questions regarding CSB was a little peculiar if not alarming. That's pretty biased the way he unconditionally seems to support his bosses. Understandable, but not very journalistic. Why not answer the questions about CSB instead of criticizing them!? The whole thing stinks. The press conference swung the needle further to the players imo. Let’s just call a spade a spade. In addition to being a terrible commentator, Gareth Wheeler is a piece of shit. SirBobsaget, Corazon, JohnnyFranchise and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razcal Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I think it's important to remember that it is possible both sides are acting in good faith and that there are a lot of intricacies that none of us know. Diego, johnyb and gigi riva 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said: We still don't know what is in the players' proposal - there was an allusion to the player's initial proposal being 100% of the $10 million which would prevent the CSA from buying them the extra tickets they want (which apparently, was something that was not in the proposal but only stated in the player's letter to media/fans). Who knows what else was being asked for inititally, but if its been revised since then for what was in their Dear Canada letter, since Bontis said that they have already addressed the women's issue complaint in their letter & will sort out the tickets, that leaves a financial dispute over how much the player's bonus will be. I didn't believe anything that came out of Bontis' mouth the first time I heard him speak. And I believed even less after that PC. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I wonder if the CSA was asking a lot for a tv deal. I don’t understand why they didn’t negotiate with the CBC/government. Be creative. Also a 10 year deal that gives all the rights and power to a private company that is owned and run by the CPL is not a smart deal. Sal333 and SirBobsaget 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: He stating the obvious. The CSB is heavily subsidizing the CPL. If it’s subsidizing the CPL, then where are CSB’s revenues coming from. I am scared of the answer to that question. cause if it’s the CSA, Then we should be f@@@@@ livid and I would be with players 100 percent Edited June 6, 2022 by Free kick aslemko, Corazon, SirBobsaget and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Who does Rick Westhead work for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, SpursFlu said: Who does Rick Westhead work for? TSN That alone should explain it. red card 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, SpursFlu said: Who does Rick Westhead work for? TSN, I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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