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  1. Most locals view of the Fury hasn't moved strongly from previous years. It's the local pro club - that's enough for the vast majority who are vaguely aware of leagues the club plays in. As time passes and CPL becomes established, I think more locals will start wondering 'why aren't we in CPL?'. Of the hard core supporter types, its split between 'stand by the club no matter what' meaning there is support for staying in USL and those who strongly want CPL. Even within this group, there is a large contingent who aren't swayed either way by which league Fury is in. The fact that few fans strongly want to be in USL is what intrigues me about OSEG fighting so hard to stay. They'll lose almost no customers by moving to CPL. They've lost a couple by choosing USL - in addition to the drama they've had to go through.
  2. If there's enough away support, Fury does do designated away sections (possibly as a group sale?). Typically, it's one of the box seating areas in the North side. Blainville and TFC had enough organized support for a section last year. I'm not sure how you set this up though - it probably starts by contacting the club. You'd be more than welcome to join Fury supporters pre- and post- match! Probably not the best idea to wear an away kit in the supporters section during the match though lol. Hope you have a good time
  3. Haworth has always been solid and reliable for Fury, whether as attacker or fullback. I'm not sure how he'd look with the CanMNT though, its something that friendlies would be useful for.
  4. It'll be interesting to see how Fury and a CPL team stack up. From watching both, they seem to be similarly skilled but playing styles are different from influences of clubs in respective leagues. Fury are an upper table USL team this year with a number of players capable of being difference makers, but CPL teams are unpredictable as well. I'm sure Valour and Wanderers are partly grateful to avoid MLS opposition in the next round, even if Fury is arguably the higher pressure opponent.
  5. From what I've seen purely as a fan looking from the outside, it looks to me that CPL and Fury were presented to each other poorly from the beginning. Fury ownership has little experience with soccer and weren't expecting all this when they took an NASL team years ago. I'm sure switching leagues constantly isn't something they were expecting to deal with. I doubt they did serious research into CPL when it was little more than a concept up to when they were approached. It's purely business to OSEG. If CPL looks solid in its inaugural year, you'll see them soften up and gain interest. It's in CPL's best interest to eventually bring them in, whether the relationship is friendly or just pure business. OSEG have the best stadium and location in the city - setting up competition to this less ideal to just bringing them on board. Its correct that the situation is still relatively 'fresh and hot'. CPL should just start its season for now and do everything to remove doubt that it is a better league than USL - specifically from a money making perspective.
  6. I'm based in Ottawa, so basically neutral. I hope to see a good product and groundwork for Canadian players to have a solid path up to the CanMNT. Also hoping to see Fury convinced enough to join - if the league takes off, it'll look completely foolish not to join. I'm intrigued by Halifax. It's nice to see an east coast team and I like the themes they've gone with. So I'll have a soft spot there and wishing all the clubs success early on.
  7. Fury management's lack of footy experience or insight is starting to show - and that has been the root cause of all the drama from the last few months. I don't think Fury were ever against CPL, they just figured it's too much effort to 'learn' a new league and system when they had a status quo that was 'good enough' in USL. It turned into a battle of egos with unwillingness let CPL change the comfy business situation they had. While CONCACAF's decision makes a lot of sense and is probably correct, its turned a fragile situation into a disaster. Problem is OSEG is tuned to think in North American sports terms, where there's basically no national federations being governing bodies and playing in cross border leagues is normal. Development for national teams is non-existant and the only thing they see is $$$. I don't see them responding to this in a constructive way - this is territory that the vast majority of people in OSEG have little idea how to handle. Situations like this are the major draw back to having North American hockey/gridiron ownership groups trying soccer. It's a completely different world. Fury is now best in CPL next year, but that's far from being simple now.
  8. This may be JDG's viewpoint more than Fury's. For some reason, he doesn't seem supportive of CPL - encouraging players to avoid it and so forth. Fury FO are purely business oriented and have little football knowledge. They'll join CPL when they're convinced it's a safer business venture than USL.
  9. There was a time when Melnyk likely would have been interested in CPL, back when he was pursuing MLS for Ottawa. That's long gone though, and changed drastically.
  10. Watched him play (on TV) in last night's TFC II match against Ottawa Fury. He is a solid full back. Doesn't seem to make many mistakes, and distribution isn't bad. Decent signing for TFC, and good for him keeping his pro career going.
  11. @Kent I suppose it's down to your level of strictness when you define 'equal' in a competition sense. To me, being introduced in the same round is defined as equal because, if you're good enough, you play the same number of matches as everyone else to win the competition. By default, it's difficult not to put the MLS teams in higher 'pots' for draws in the first year or two, since the expectation is they progress further. Being in a low pot means nothing competitively, since, if you're good enough, you'll beat whoever you get. It's true that having bottom ranked CPL teams in a play in round goes against treating them completely equal to MLS teams. It doesn't have to be the case if there's emphasis of treating CPL teams completely equal.
  12. Working the following year's Voyageurs Cup as a means of adding significance to the standings seems like a good idea to me. If there's an issue of keeping MLS teams seeded equal to CPL sides, standings can be used to set draws instead if giving teams 'byes' to later rounds. Or, bottom two clubs in CPL go through a play-in round with Div 3 teams (L1O and Quebec Premier League) with the winners joining everyone else. Top teams in the CPL standings can also have the benefit of being in the same 'pot' as MLS teams in match up draws, giving them better chance to progress since they face stronger opposition later on. Of course, the top team in CPL standings should get a regular season 'supporters shield' or some sort of silverware. Doing something like this makes CPL standings meaningfull and gives the V's Cup prestige and attention.
  13. He's had a solid career in North American div 2 leagues. For a position with little depth he's an option, but CanMNT level is at least MLS. He hasn't really shown that he can play a level above NASL/USL. He should be given the chance, but, since the CanMNT isn't playing games, no player is getting opportunities.
  14. I'm involved with one of the two Ottawa groups, and I've personally heard nothing like @Olympique_de_Marseille. Whatever Fury intends to do next year, it's a very tightly kept secret. There is no information at all, which is understandable given that they want to respect the USL season. If they announce that they are leaving next year, USL attendance and interest will tank for the current season. If I remember correctly, they announced that they were leaving NASL a few days before the final home game in that league. Based on that, I would expect a similar time-line this time as well. Ottawa's ownership group has a lot to learn about the sport, but their business decisions with Fury have been good so far. Fury is, at the end of the day, a product they own that they want to grow. I wouldn't be surprised if they're still in the process of deciding whether to join CanPL or take a 'wait and see' approach and stick with USL for 2019, potentially joining CanPL in 2020 if they like what they see - this is pure speculation on my part.
  15. I'll be there. I'm not sure what kind of attendance we'll get, but I think it'll be relatively low for a couple of reasons. Namely: 1) FIFA World Cup is going on, meaning people are generally distracted away from or not paying attention to local clubs. 2) weeknight match does not help. 3) People in Ottawa are still learning about the importance of the V's Cup - so playing a team one division below is not enticing to locals just yet. It's year one of lower league opposition involved, so this will take time. To people commenting above on the lack of attendance or interest, keep those three points in mind for this year's Voyageurs Cup.
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