narduch Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Do they still have that goofy rule where you can call 1-2 different players after the group stage?? Maybe there is a method to the madness. I don't think so. I think you can swap out injured players 24 hours before your opening match Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid-Tone Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Acid-Tone said: Mathieu's omission. Some have even gone as far as to call it a travashamockery! narduch, Olympique_de_Marseille and Addona 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Wasp said: If this was a FIFA-sanctioned window it would be much more concerning. It is. Player release his mandatory for the Gold Cup, just like the UEFA Euros or the CONMEBOL Copa America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: It is. Player release his mandatory for the Gold Cup, just like the UEFA Euros or the CONMEBOL Copa America. This is why the US players were missing from the TFC game. I find it really odd that Herdman was whining about the lack of prep time for nations league, but then left MLS players with their clubs during the international window. Cost has to be minimal given the limited travel. Isn't he saying that playing for Bob Bradley on terrible TFC team is better than anything he could do with them in camp? Stryker911, Ivan, narduch and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Obinna said: Not saying Waterman is better than Miller, nor can I say for sure that Inter Miami's defense is worse, but they are 10 points and 7 spots lower than Montreal in the East, and sit at the bottom. So in other words, how much of that horror show should be pinned on Joel? We don't hold it again Miller that Miami has allowed 24 goals, which is just 3 goals better than Montreal. Maybe that's because Kamal is a core player and Waterman is a fringe player - or has Waterman in particular really been that bad? Regardless, I think Waterman, who can play LCB, RCB, and probably RB in an emergency, is right to be angry. Let that anger drive him to be better. I agree it's not a hill to die on, and I agree that Choiniere is an outright snub, but Waterman has to at least be a questionable ommission. At the end of the day, I don't mind the opportunity going to Bombito or Zator, since they have 0 caps and Waterman already has 2. The more we spread the international caps around, the better for the depth of the pool. I guess I just take issue with the idea that Waterman is the 5th RCB in the depth chart. I mean, technically you can say it's true, since he's not there, but based on talent I would dispute it. Also, isn't Kyle Heibert a left sided player? Same with Bombito? Both of those guys have played LCB or even LB this season, no? Agreed, I meant the comment in the sense that yes, Waterman has not stood out as being at fault for the mess or as the solution to stabilizing the mess, just part of the shit show. Not directly due to his own play or shortcomings. The guys beside him are at the least equally responsible if not more responsible for the mess. Either way, Waterman has not stood out, they all look error prone and confused back there. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Obinna said: Not saying Waterman is better than Miller, nor can I say for sure that Inter Miami's defense is worse, but they are 10 points and 7 spots lower than Montreal in the East, and sit at the bottom. So in other words, how much of that horror show should be pinned on Joel? We don't hold it again Miller that Miami has allowed 24 goals, which is just 3 goals better than Montreal. Maybe that's because Kamal is a core player and Waterman is a fringe player - or has Waterman in particular really been that bad? Regardless, I think Waterman, who can play LCB, RCB, and probably RB in an emergency, is right to be angry. Let that anger drive him to be better. I agree it's not a hill to die on, and I agree that Choiniere is an outright snub, but Waterman has to at least be a questionable ommission. At the end of the day, I don't mind the opportunity going to Bombito or Zator, since they have 0 caps and Waterman already has 2. The more we spread the international caps around, the better for the depth of the pool. I guess I just take issue with the idea that Waterman is the 5th RCB in the depth chart. I mean, technically you can say it's true, since he's not there, but based on talent I would dispute it. Also, isn't Kyle Heibert a left sided player? Same with Bombito? Both of those guys have played LCB or even LB this season, no? Agreed, I meant the comment in the sense that yes, Waterman has not stood out as being at fault for the mess or as the solution to stabilizing the mess, just part of the shit show. Not directly due to his own play or shortcomings. The guys beside him are at the least equally responsible if not more responsible for the mess. Either way, Waterman has not stood out, they all look error prone and confused back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, costarg said: Agreed, I meant the comment in the sense that yes, Waterman has not stood out as being at fault for the mess or as the solution to stabilizing the mess, just part of the shit show. Not directly due to his own play or shortcomings. The guys beside him are at the least equally responsible if not more responsible for the mess. Either way, Waterman has not stood out, they all look error prone and confused back there. That's what I see but was thinking perhaps I hadn't watched as much as you. IIRC you're a Montreal fan and I am not (though my liking for them grows the more they play Canadians). It does seem however that you see what I see, which is a defence prone to errors (of which Waterman is a part of), yet he's not necessarily any worse than the rest. The few games I watched he made some pretty big defensive plays, to be fair to him, and I love his ability on the ball. I am sure he'd do better in a better defensive unit (like Canada's). Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Time Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Obinna said: That's what I see but was thinking perhaps I hadn't watched as much as you. IIRC you're a Montreal fan and I am not (though my liking for them grows the more they play Canadians). It does seem however that you see what I see, which is a defence prone to errors (of which Waterman is a part of), yet he's not necessarily any worse than the rest. The few games I watched he made some pretty big defensive plays, to be fair to him, and I love his ability on the ball. I am sure he'd do better in a better defensive unit (like Canada's). Keep in mind that with Canada he would mostly be playing against opposition superior to that of MLS. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) On 6/23/2023 at 10:11 AM, The Beaver 2.0 said: I'd love to understand Herdman's reasoning on this one. Hard to say. I was going to speculate on maintainjng safe possession under pressure (which is a big reason why Kaye is out of the circle of trust, imo), and in the only times I have seen him play (early in the season, granted) I thought he needed to tighten that up. Otherwise, he checks off a lot of positive boxes with his play and it looks like he has been a big part of his club's success at this point of the season. I'd be curious to hear Herdman's reasoning, too: I thought Choiniere would have been a sure GC selection Edited June 24, 2023 by BearcatSA Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 JH also puts a huge premium on team culture. Maybe the one time MC was in camp he didn’t fit with “the vibe”? Just speculating. Regardless, JH gets a failing grade for his media game here. Addona 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 49 minutes ago, shorty said: JH also puts a huge premium on team culture. Maybe the one time MC was in camp he didn’t fit with “the vibe”? Just speculating. Regardless, JH gets a failing grade for his media game here. The team culture and vibe thing worked during wcq. Its time to move past that and bring in players who are deserving to be there. Choniere is one of them. It’s not like this Gold Cup is massively important where every top team is sending their A squad(Jamaica excluded). dyslexic nam, Bertuzzi44, shorty and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver 2.0 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Like a typical Englishman, Herdman hates the French!! (Kidding, only kidding.) costarg, Olympique_de_Marseille and Addona 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 hours ago, king1010 said: 6 hours ago, shorty said: JH also puts a huge premium on team culture. Maybe the one time MC was in camp he didn’t fit with “the vibe”? Just speculating. Regardless, JH gets a failing grade for his media game here. Expand The team culture and vibe thing worked during wcq. Its time to move past that and bring in players who are deserving to be there. Choniere is one of them. It’s not like this Gold Cup is massively important where every top team is sending their A squad(Jamaica excluded). Agree 100%. Was only speculating about the reason because it seems bizarre to leave him out, particularly for the reasons given publicly. Besides, team culture shouldn’t be a closed club but something everyone can buy into and help build if they merit being there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Not in the Montreal lineup tonight? Might he be headed to the gold cup after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, CanadaFan123 said: Not in the Montreal lineup tonight? Might he be headed to the gold cup after all? Ankle injury costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saladroit Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 one of the commissioner's picks for the all star gamehttps://www.mlssoccer.com/news/dynamic-young-stars-and-newcomers-comprise-the-2023-mls-all-star-roster Jack1997, costarg, Approve My Account Pls and 23 others 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Great to see that even our backup B team is too good for an MLS all star.... MauditYvon, GasPed, Grandbloke and 13 others 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, saladroit said: one of the commissioner's picks for the all star gamehttps://www.mlssoccer.com/news/dynamic-young-stars-and-newcomers-comprise-the-2023-mls-all-star-roster Coaches selection to the MLS Allstar game, but can't make the Canada B roster at the Gold Cup. New Canada is hella deep! PegCityCam, narduch, Club Linesman and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I hope someone in the media ask Herdman about him. If it’s because of the injury he picked up then ok. Anything short of that seems like he has the blinders on. Corazon, dyslexic nam, DeRo_Is_King and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 By playing that game, MC will have more experience against “tier one opponents” than- you know what, never mind. It’s silly at this point. Dominic94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, canuckgbp said: I hope someone in the media ask Herdman about him. If it’s because of the injury he picked up then ok. Anything short of that seems like he has the blinders on. I didn’t think he was injured when the initial roster was announced. Could be wrong about that though. MCa, Dominic94 and canuckgbp 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, dyslexic nam said: I didn’t think he was injured when the initial roster was announced. Could be wrong about that though. At least we can get a Topps Now card out of this dyslexic nam and Dominic94 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, narduch said: At least we can get a Topps Now card out of this I actually have 1 copy of the first MC card. Wish I had grabbed a couple more. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phresh Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 33 minutes ago, canuckgbp said: I hope someone in the media ask Herdman about him. If it’s because of the injury he picked up then ok. Anything short of that seems like he has the blinders on. The GC roster was announced on June 19th. Choiniere played against Nashville on June 21st dyslexic nam and kacbru 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I’d like to think and I’m going to tell myself that Choiniere would have been called as Eustaquio’s replacement ahead of Fraser. But by that point, he was actually injured. Still no excuse for his omission from the original squad. But I just can’t imagine how Fraser would be selected over him. Obinna and GasPed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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