Watchmen Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, VinceA said: Vancouver are in discussion with Cavs and his option. Looks like they want to keep him but not as a DP. We'll see if he opts to stay or not. I'm leaning towards no. I've heard it's more along the lines of they're going to exercise the option and then work with him to move him somewhere he wants to be. Recoup some of the initial transfer cost. Edited October 19, 2022 by Watchmen GlassCity and BearcatSA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Watchmen said: I've heard it's more along the lines of they're going to exercise the option and then work with him to move him somewhere he wants to be. Recoup some of the initial transfer cost. I think you nailed it there. They're going to recoup as much as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Who is going to pay anything substantial tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, The Real Marc said: Who is going to pay anything substantial tho? Recouping as much as they can might not mean substantial, but better than the alternatives. I'm guessing the same thing might be happening with Christian Gutierrez's contract. The Real Marc, NVsoccer and Watchmen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Edgewater17, narduch and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, VinceA said: Except both things can be true. The Whitecaps can be attempting to sign him for less money. If they're unsuccessful, there's nothing stopping them from picking up his option and selling him on. The "he could leave on a free" is technically true, but seems unlikely. Again, we're not talking about recouping the millions they got him for, but more like a few $100k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 On first assessment of this story, he looks like a guy who wants to be moving on and the Caps look like a club that wants to move on from him, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Protected by the Whitecaps today. Which i don't think is something you do if you're planning to let him walk for free. GlassCity and Edgewater17 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver 2.0 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 37 minutes ago, Watchmen said: Protected by the Whitecaps today. Which i don't think is something you do if you're planning to let him walk for free. Am I right in thinking that Home Growns are automatically protected? Fullback 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Beaver 2.0 said: Am I right in thinking that Home Growns are automatically protected? Yes those are the rules. Even if they are a traded homegrown. Example: Petrasso won’t have to be protected by Orlando as TFC homegrown player. Stupid rules, as I think as soon as you are traded your HG tag should disappear to a simple domestic player. I also think your HG tag should always remain as long as you are with your HG club, no matter the amount your salary increase to. But hey, thats MLS and every year I care less. The Beaver 2.0, Kent, Pottsy3 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 55 minutes ago, Shway said: Yes those are the rules. Even if they are a traded homegrown. Example: Petrasso won’t have to be protected by Orlando as TFC homegrown player. I dont mind that. It gives the teams (any team) a little more incentive to develop their own or get someone else HG. Give more rewards to the teams that focus on developing youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 If MLS wanted to get properly serious about player development, they'd let players keep the HG tag as long as they remained with their original club, and max out the cap hit for a homegrown at the league minimum. In that way, Montreal could offer whatever raise to Kone that they could afford/deem appropriate, but not have it kill them on the overall salary cap. You'd let teams develop star players and retain them for as long as possible. PegCityCam and Kent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bison44 said: I dont mind that. It gives the teams (any team) a little more incentive to develop their own or get someone else HG. Give more rewards to the teams that focus on developing youngsters. (If your just referring to what you quoted) Not really…. Their value doesn’t change, they are the equivalent to trading for a first round draft pick. The rewards for developing your young players is in the part you left out. For example, FC Dallas should be one of the consistent best teams in the league due to the fact that their squad has a lot of HG consistent contributors. They should have a larger salary relief based on what I said. A homegrown tag is only temporarily, if a player signs a larger contract or graduates to a senior roster spot (I.e Jesus Ferreira, Jordan Morris, Ayo Akinola) it’s gone and is only a mere reference point. Someone correct me if I’m wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, SthMelbRed said: If MLS wanted to get properly serious about player development, they'd let players keep the HG tag as long as they remained with their original club, and max out the cap hit for a homegrown at the league minimum. In that way, Montreal could offer whatever raise to Kone that they could afford/deem appropriate, but not have it kill them on the overall salary cap. You'd let teams develop star players and retain them for as long as possible. This is exactly what I’ve said, and been saying. This is the real incentive, and allows the league to really focus on growth while bringing in talent whether old or young. PegCityCam and SthMelbRed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I agree with Shway and SthMelbRed. I remember back in 2011ish, when Aron Winter was going to turn TFC into Ajax and in a few years we would have a starting lineup filled with amazing homegrown players, I thought way back then the rules were stupid. If you have an amazing academy and are able to produce a starting 11 of players that all deserve 5 million per year, you should be allowed to keep them and pay them that at the homegrown cap hit. But MLS is ridiculous. I don't think anyone with MLS rule changing power has sat down and questioned why they have these rules in the first place. If it's for parity, like so many people claim, well then it's not working (TFC spending $26 million, Galaxy spending $14 million, and the bottom few teams spending $5 million). If it's to avoid reckless spending to keep teams from folding, well, it's not working. To use TFC as an example, they are paying one guy $14 million and that is encouraged by the MLS rules. The MLS rules are just discouraging them from, say, giving a $100k raise to Jayden Nelson. Teams could be better with the same money they are currently spending, by spending it more evenly across the roster. But instead they have all these convoluted rules to try to penny pinch the lower paid players in the league, while they can recklessly spend money on the top few players. ag futbol, narduch, Bison44 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, canuckgbp said: What roster decision is this referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, dyslexic nam said: What roster decision is this referring to? pick up 2023 options dyslexic nam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Cavallini making the 26 man squad he's no doubt coming off the bench as a super sub but either way I'm happy for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lansdude Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Cavallini is the Joker we play if we need to play bully ball late in the match to unsettle the opponent's defence. Lmao at the idea of Cava chasing Modric and scything him down with a five seconds too late tackle. TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Official now. He's leaving Vancouver. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 That’s spicy. 0 whitecaps at the gold cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: That’s spicy. 0 whitecaps at the gold cup? Oh Whitecaps toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 So I guess that means we do have a member of Unattached FC at the World Cup Corazon, K Edgar and A_Gagne 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, rydermike said: So I guess that means we do have a member of Unattached FC at the World Cup We already technically did with Osorio. rydermike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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