Bison44 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Well Henry was starting a lot of games before he went to europe and has been a better than average starter in a better MLS today. Cornelius and Miller are both youngsters that will start over 30% of the time in their first seasons in the league. I agree with Dominic, that there are probably 2-3 guys in the CPL that could step in and be part time starters in MLS right now. Sure he would be an big upgrade with a lot more room to improve. But as for Tomori coming over and being a star in MLS....well how many UK players have come over with big time pedigrees and fallen flat on their faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Bison44 said: Well Henry was starting a lot of games before he went to europe and has been a better than average starter in a better MLS today. Cornelius and Miller are both youngsters that will start over 30% of the time in their first seasons in the league. I agree with Dominic, that there are probably 2-3 guys in the CPL that could step in and be part time starters in MLS right now. Sure he would be an big upgrade with a lot more room to improve. But as for Tomori coming over and being a star in MLS....well how many UK players have come over with big time pedigrees and fallen flat on their faces. It was like a handful of games before he got injured (twice) but Henry looked comfortable at a Championship level. Man of the match in a couple in a row, if I remember correctly. So I choose to believe he was not that far off Tomori. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I hate this thread. JuicyHam, PopePouri, Bertuzzi44 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: I hate this thread. I keep clicking on the god damn thing. JuicyHam and Obinna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuicyHam Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: I keep clicking on the god damn thing. After watching how god awful both Henry and Cornelius were last night it's hard not to keep coming back here. Hope is a dangerous thing and as long as he isn't capped there is hope. toontownman and apbsmith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbsmith Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, JuicyHam said: After watching how god awful both Henry and Cornelius were last night it's hard not to keep coming back here. Hope is a dangerous thing and as long as he isn't capped there is hope. I hate criticizing our players but yaaaaa last night, oof..... That defending in the first half was not good enough to get us anywhere competitive on the international level vs good attackers. To be fair, I do think both Henry and Cornelius can play a lot better then yesterday's match. If we are in the #7-35 side, only takes 10-15 mins of bad defending to be bounced from WCQ gator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, apbsmith said: I hate criticizing our players but yaaaaa last night, oof..... That defending in the first half was not good enough to get us anywhere competitive on the international level vs good attackers. To be fair, I do think both Henry and Cornelius can play a lot better then yesterday's match. If we are in the #7-35 side, only takes 10-15 mins of bad defending to be bounced from WCQ 30 seconds would do it. They are nothing if not efficient. It is a confidence situation for sure at the Whitecaps at the moment. They have both looked great, Henry especially this year but neither are immune to the costly brain fart and dropping a clanger at any given moment. Praise be to Miller! apbsmith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbsmith Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 minute ago, toontownman said: 30 seconds would do it. They are nothing if not efficient. It is a confidence situation for sure at the Whitecaps at the moment. They have both looked great, Henry especially this year but neither are immune to the costly brain fart and dropping a clanger at any given moment. Praise be to Miller! I only put 10-15 mins because over 120 mins in a home and away I do have confidence in our mids and forward that we can score 2+ goals . toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Cut that confidence malarky out.. you know where that leads. At very worst it could be contagious around here, very dangerous. apbsmith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 12 hours ago, JuicyHam said: After watching how god awful both Henry and Cornelius were last night it's hard not to keep coming back here. Hope is a dangerous thing and as long as he isn't capped there is hope. There's an old Italian (I think) saying " Hope is always the last to die" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Whether we want to hear it or not, he gets a start. His first with them, I believe.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Whether we want to hear it or not, he gets a start. His first with them, I believe.. I'm watching later on replay but twitter says he is composed, classy, and confident at the back. He's been dangerous on set pieces, as well, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, nolando said: I'm watching later on replay but twitter says he is composed, classy, and confident at the back. He's been dangerous on set pieces, as well, apparently. You could probably say he was poor on the last goal but not directly responsible, that is all I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Chelsea fans very pleased with his performance and saying he’s “starting caliber”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Getting closer to England. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 BBC Sport in their post game report refer to Tomori as " Canadian defender". Do they know something we don't? johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 MtlMario, Addona, dyslexic nam and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuicyHam Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 56 minutes ago, Kadenge said: BBC Sport in their post game report refer to Tomori as " Canadian defender". Do they know something we don't? I mean he is technically a "Canadian" defender as he was born in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I’m done hoping for this guy. Objectively he’s played 30 games for England since he’s played for us and is clearly in Chelsea’s plans. Obviously he would be a huge add for us and maybe b our best defender but we have to move on. Mikmacdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikmacdo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I think its time to move on, if hes good enough to start for chelsea he will earn at least one callup to England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mikmacdo said: I think its time to move on, if hes good enough to start for chelsea he will earn at least one callup to England. Chelsea isn't the usual Chelsea and there's a lot of CBs ahead of him in the pecking order. Addona and WestHamCanadianinOxford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, VinceA said: Chelsea isn't the usual Chelsea and there's a lot of CBs ahead of him in the pecking order. Maybe its more wishful thinking but...if Chelsea remain mired in midtable because they give up leads like that to offensive powerhouses like Sheffield United, people will not be thinking: let's go out of the way to cap one of their defenders. Whatever Chelsea fans say, they seem to be having the same problems they had with Christiansen there. I only saw the goals (Match of the Day is coming up, might be more there) but for me he took up a positions for both where he wasn't able to have an effect on either the cross or the runner. Some of that is Zouma being Zouma but still. They need Rudiger back badly and he played 90 minutes for the Dev. squad this week, I believe. Very much early days, of course. And I feel bad that I am enjoying this so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Starting for Chelsea at his age and with his history with England youth teams tells me he's going to get a senior call-up. Yes Tomori would be a huge add, but the realistic chances are truly slim-to-nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 We will get him in 2023, when he is playing for Newcastle...in league one. CanadaFan123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Look at it this way, I mentioned that he started for the first time on the West Ham forum I frequent. The response was: "Who?" I guess the point is there are a lot of good young players with current and past u21 England caps. For MLS fans on here, Michael Mancienne has one of the highest number of u21 caps ever and had a very similar start to his career and could have played for someone else. Got a call up but never a cap for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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