BrennanFan Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 https://deadspin.com/orlando-city-gets-pissy-after-cyle-larin-leaves-for-a-b-1822563747 matty, LeoH037, Lofty and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: What is incredible is it seems they put Larin's legally entitled 10% on the table for the negotiation. Now I have no idea how that works, suppose that him being Generation Adidas, MLS want to give them a bonus if a club comes along and buys them. The whole principle of that is not to have MLS taking advantage of Generation Adidas, getting a high transfer for a player and not having to compensate him not being paid that well in the previous years. A club taking advantage with an option clause not recognized by FIFA, then wipes out the DO NOT TAKE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OF THE PLAYER clause. What kind of "strong values of the club" are those? Apparently, in negotiating a price, MLS said to Besiktas: if the kid waives his 10%, we slightly adjust down what we are asking for him. Of course Larin said okay, he wanted out. BTW Besiktas played CUP today but no sign of Larin, not even on bench, and Hutch not in lineup either. Perhaps the international transfer will only come through now. The option given to Larin was likely, we can make you sit for months while this plays out (or you risk a huge ban by playing in Turkey without the necessary transfer certificate - and I doubt the Turkish fed would have allowed that anyway) or you waive the 10% you're due - buy your way out of the contract. I actually don't see much wrong with what Orlando has done. If the player had a contract (as Orlando claims) but is refusing to play and forcing a deal, it makes sense that he should contribute to the exit fee. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Money well spent by Larin. Orlando come across as so petty and vindictive in that release. Fuckin' losers. Lofty, Unnamed Trialist, Ansem and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 We haven’t heard how much he is making in Besiktas have we? Last year I believe he was making 192k, so if we assume a small bump this year to 200k, plus 10% of about 2.5 million that he forfeited for this deal would be about 450k total. Convert that to Euros and it’s about 363k. Is it safe to assume that he is making more than that per year at Besiktas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, Kent said: We haven’t heard how much he is making in Besiktas have we? Last year I believe he was making 192k, so if we assume a small bump this year to 200k, plus 10% of about 2.5 million that he forfeited for this deal would be about 450k total. Convert that to Euros and it’s about 363k. Is it safe to assume that he is making more than that per year at Besiktas? €1.6M/yr. according to the article about the Vagner Love signing. Kent and johnyb 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Spend 400k to make 1.6M euros sounds like a good investment Obinna, CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccer.shocker Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Agreed. Orlando look about to fall off their high horse. Best of luck to Cyle. Hope he gets a chance to see the pitch once he gets game fit and his papers clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Badly played Orlando / MLS. And sore losers as well. Hope he'll tear it up there and give you a nice finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Don't worry guys, Larin is going to rip it up in Turkey and $2.3M or whatever Orlando was so proud of getting will look like a f%#king pittance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 8 hours ago, BCM1555362349 said: The option given to Larin was likely, we can make you sit for months while this plays out (or you risk a huge ban by playing in Turkey without the necessary transfer certificate - and I doubt the Turkish fed would have allowed that anyway) or you waive the 10% you're due - buy your way out of the contract. I actually don't see much wrong with what Orlando has done. If the player had a contract (as Orlando claims) but is refusing to play and forcing a deal, it makes sense that he should contribute to the exit fee. If that is the case then I have to ask: did Camilo warrant any percentage of the transfer fee paid by Queretaro to the Whitecaps? Maybe he did not have anything coming to him. And then: did the Whitecaps have to give 30% of the fees received to MLS? And if so, isn't that comparatively unfair, given that Orlando got to keep all the transfer? Shouldn't MLS be compensating the Caps retroactively to be in line with their favourable treatment to Orlando? I know, I am asking nasty questions. I'm just irked by the MLS attitude they get their clubs to buy into, for me it is MLS' fault, and, from what I have read, to a great degree the fault of a very lax Players' Union. Obinna, johnyb and Kent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Red and White, dyslexic nam, Chad_Impact and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 So Besiktas anyone else's favourite team in Europe now? Addona, BenFisk'sBiggestFan, Red and White and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: If that is the case then I have to ask: did Camilo warrant any percentage of the transfer fee paid by Queretaro to the Whitecaps? Maybe he did not have anything coming to him. And then: did the Whitecaps have to give 30% of the fees received to MLS? And if so, isn't that comparatively unfair, given that Orlando got to keep all the transfer? Shouldn't MLS be compensating the Caps retroactively to be in line with their favourable treatment to Orlando? I know, I am asking nasty questions. I'm just irked by the MLS attitude they get their clubs to buy into, for me it is MLS' fault, and, from what I have read, to a great degree the fault of a very lax Players' Union. Mate, I can't defend MLS' arbitrary and constantly changing (on the fly) rulings and interpretations. I guess the technical and shitty response could be, it's okay that the Caps were treated differently because, you know, we're all one organisation and not separate entities anyway. Who knows... Insert emoji of guy shrugging shoulders. But I don't see any problem with the club playing hardball with a wayward player (again, assume under contract) and said player giving up cash on the table to make an exit.That 10 percent is probably already made up with signing bonus - and his salary will be higher. Definitely beats sitting on the sidelines without any pay for months and letting this thing play out. Marc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Good luck to Larin. I have ZERO sympathy for billionaires who take cheap shots at a players who helped make them millions of dollars and established their club in the league and their community. Larin was underpaid for what he brought to that club. F them, Good luck Larin! deschamp86, Redmonster, kingvikingstad and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, matty said: So Besiktas anyone else's favourite team in Europe now? Favourite team in Turkey, yes. WheatsheafSK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheatsheafSK Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 12 hours ago, dsqpr said: The interesting thing is, when you say something nasty about someone, it says a lot more about you than it does about them. Here, here! This saga, and that press release in particular, makes the entire MLS look bad. MLS is constantly faced with an uphill battle for credibility in soccer, and in Europe in particular. Sending out a release like that just sends the message that MLS is not fit for prime time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Now this is a more mature press release: https://www.tsn.ca/dortmund-dominating-end-of-transfer-window-1.983797 Aubameyang left for Arsenal, completing his protracted move for 63.75 million euros ($80 million) - a record for the Premier League club - after a breakdown in relations with Dortmund, which dropped the player for two games for missing a team meeting. It was the third time Dortmund had sanctioned the Gabon striker as a disciplinary measure in a little over a year. "After the unpleasant events of the last weeks, we prefer to remember that the story of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was a success over more than four years," Dortmund sporting director Michael Zorc said. "He has done great things for Dortmund in this time, scored many important goals and is a part of the team that brought the German Cup to Dortmund in 2017." Lofty, johnyb, Zem and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, JamboAl said: Favourite team in Turkey, yes. But but but bursaspor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, matty said: So Besiktas anyone else's favourite team in Europe now? I don't really follow any teams other than TFC so sure, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Narcotic Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Orlando fans on reddit are more than glad to see Larin go. Between the DUI, his lacklustre last year and now forcing his way out of the club there aren't a lot of good feelings left. It's best for both parties to get a new start and it will be interesting to evaluate Larin in a more structured context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Will Larin be available to play on Friday in Besiktas' next league game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 46 minutes ago, Ruffian said: Will Larin be available to play on Friday in Besiktas' next league game? I would bet that Orlando and MLS will be dicks and hold back on the ITC as long as they legally can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 And THAT is how you take the high road. C2SKI, aloyol, Ansem and 17 others 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 19 hours ago, Dominic94 said: Spend 400k to make 1.6M euros sounds like a good investment He spent less than 200k from what it seems, depending on who you believe. He gave up the equivalent of one MLS salary year. But if you analyze this properly, normally a player who holds out with a club until the end of a contract and then goes on a free transfer is rewarded with a higher salary. It does not happen a lot, there are plenty of cases of major transfer fees being paid when a player has very little left on a contract. So you could argue that if he had been able to go free to Besiktas he would have warranted an even higher yearly take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Dub Narcotic said: Orlando fans on reddit are more than glad to see Larin go. Between the DUI, his lacklustre last year and now forcing his way out of the club there aren't a lot of good feelings left. It's best for both parties to get a new start and it will be interesting to evaluate Larin in a more structured context. Larin driving a young lady home from a nightclub, sloshed--that was the play of the year at OCSC!! Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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