A_Gagne Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 hours ago, PegCityCam said: Besiktas had offered him 1.75 and just now (seemingly reluctantly) offered 2. To me even the 2.5 mil he's asking for sounds kind of low no? He could make that kind of money in the championship. PegCityCam, Cheeta and king1010 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, A_Gagne said: He could make that kind of money in the championship. Right? There's a good 12 in the MLS making more (by my rough calculations). They clearly can't afford him at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Are Besiktas drunk? What the hell is going on? They lost to Sporting 4-1 last time, and now they are down 4-0? Can anyone watching this give some insights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Obinna said: Are Besiktas drunk? What the hell is going on? They lost to Sporting 4-1 last time, and now they are down 4-0? Can anyone watching this give some insights? Injuries and the midfield / backline don’t look up to it. Larin was pretty solid to me today. Atiba was not that good though. Obinna and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlander Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) I did not watch the full game but from what I saw Besiktas’ defense and keeper were really poor. Hutchinson did not look like he made much impact, a bit slow. Larin was better, had a few chances that I saw. Overall they made Sporting look pretty good. Edited November 3, 2021 by lowlander Obinna and Ivan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I didn't watch the game but Besiktas just aren't very good. Larin should find greener pastures, his peak is the next few years. Free kick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccMan Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, frmr said: I didn't watch the game but Besiktas just aren't very good. Larin should find greener pastures, his peak is the next few years. How good is this Turkish league ? I’m starting to wonder with some of these results in Europe with this Turkish teams. dyslexic nam and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I watched part. Turkish football is sloppy, and poorly coached. Explains why they underperform as a National Team too. All that talent, but they're anarchic, and toughly coached teams expose them. An indication is how bad their reffing luck is. They make dumb mistakes, like that careless penalty, then get offside when in attack, and have goals called back. You could even argue Larin's header the other day vs Sporting was a foul. Face it: Portugal is a better league, having guys there is a better guarantee, as would be Greece, or the Balkans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, frmr said: I didn't watch the game but Besiktas just aren't very good. Larin should find greener pastures, his peak is the next few years. Thank you! I made this same argument way back when he was in the process of transferring out of MLS. And many kept going on about how playing in Turkey versus MLS was like comparing a castle to an outhouse. Ok i am exagerating. But i never found this move was a benefit for canada nor is there anything for canadian fans to brag about. There are very significant gaps in quality amongst various leagues/countries in europe. A lot people fail to appreciate this. Ok. If or Maybe he is not at the level to play for a better club, but then how can you be seriously considered for the starting FWD sport ahead of David, who is playing for a for a decent club in serious league. Edited November 4, 2021 by Free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 5 hours ago, SoccMan said: How good is this Turkish league ? I’m starting to wonder with some of these results in Europe with this Turkish teams. But its never been a good league. The Real Marc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoginess Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Was at the game last night. The whole team got outclassed by Sporting. Larin didn’t have much to work with. apbsmith, Stryker911, johnyb and 13 others 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Free kick said: But its never been a good league. Excuse me? Are you serious? JamboAl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, kacbru said: Excuse me? Are you serious? Ok. you are excused. PS: Here you go: Country coefficients | UEFA Coefficients | UEFA.com Edited November 4, 2021 by Free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Free kick said: Ok. you are excused. PS: Here you go: Country coefficients | UEFA Coefficients | UEFA.com UEFA Coefficients need to be taken with a large grain of salt. Back in 2005-2007 Romania was ranked 7th because Cluj had a decent Euro run in 2 different seasons. Nobody thought Romania had the 7th best European league back then. https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method3/crank2007.html Edited November 4, 2021 by narduch CanadaFan123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 The Turkish league is strong, no doubt. Easily a top 10 league in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: The Turkish league is strong, no doubt. Easily a top 10 league in Europe. you didnt check the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Free kick said: you didnt check the link That's the live table though. The season still needs to play out. They still have 3 teams that can pick up points. It will make more sense at the end of the Euro season. Turkey was 13th at the end of the 2021 season. https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2021.html The thing with Turkey is they have 3 traditional strong clubs. Most of the nations ranked above them only have 2 (and some only 1 really). Edited November 4, 2021 by narduch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Free kick said: you didnt check the link I did check the link. It just means little to nothing. No reasonable person is going to actually say that the Cypriot or Scottish league is stronger than the Turkish league. Bertuzzi44, king1010 and narduch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, narduch said: UEFA Coefficients need to be taken with a large grain of salt. Back in 2005-2007 Romania was ranked 7th because Cluj had a decent Euro run in 2 different seasons. Nobody thought Romania had the 7th best European league back then. https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method3/crank2007.html it seems that they are pretty good for UEFA. looking at the top five, nobody would argue with that. The turkish league seldom cracks the top ten over a 20 years span. you can check that link yourself. are we saying that its off by that much in regards the Turkish league? These coefficients have hug implications $$$. theye are based on performance in Europe. there would be outcry if it made no sence. Edited November 4, 2021 by Free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Just now, Free kick said: it seems that they are pretty good for UEFA. looking at the top five, nobody would argue with that. The turkish league seldom cracks the top ten over a 20 years span. you can check that link yourself. are we saying that its off by that much in regards the Turkish league? These coefficients have hug implications $$$. theye are based on performance in Europe. there would be outcry if it made so sence. I don't think a lot people really care about the coefficient system other than nerds on the internet. Besides with the introduction of the Europa Conference League, UEFA has actually doctored the system so that the bigger nations get it easier into the Champions League. Its not like these things are totally 'fair'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, narduch said: I don't think a lot people really care about the coefficient system other than nerds on the internet. Besides with the introduction of the Europa Conference League, UEFA has actually doctored the system so that the bigger nations get it easier into the Champions League. Its not like these things are totally 'fair'. you mean the same nerds on the internet who claim that the Turkish league is a good league 🙂 Again, these uefa coefficients have huge implications. they mean a lot money to clubs. Edited November 4, 2021 by Free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Free kick said: Ok. if you guys done agree you mean the same nerds on the internet who claim that the Turkish league is a good league 🙂 Its just a point system based on play in Euro club competitions. Its sole purpose is for UEFA to use to divvy up the spots in its competition. Next thing you know people will tell me that the FIFA Rankings should be considered gospel too. Average league wages would probably be a better indication of the strength of these league (and I don't have this data). Edited November 4, 2021 by narduch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: The Turkish league is strong, no doubt. Easily a top 10 league in Europe. Don't know about that. I'm expressing an intuitive opinion, don't cast my eye widely enough to give a more informed opinion. That opinion is the Turkish top flight is like a lot of leagues around the world, too much daylight between a couple of the giants and everybody else and that of course creates its own problems. Player recruitment, player development, that sort of thing. The match-in match-out tests just don't exist. Also think you can really see in these Cup competitions which clubs are built for domestic success and which ones tilt towards Europe. Fun league to watch. Not the EPL but still a very good place to make a career. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Turkish league is a good league, but no I dont think it's "easily a top 10 league in Europe". Borderline top 10 would be how I would characterize it. Ruffian, johnyb and GasPed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 To be fair, the whole "top 5 leagues in Europe" is based purely on the UEFA coefficient. Portugal took France's place in the top five for a brief period this season, and everyone took that pretty seriously when talking about the "top five". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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