Floortom Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Davies was an MLS all star while Marshal Rutty didn’t stand out at the USL 1 level this year. Who knows what the future holds but there’a no comparison now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Davies was an MLS All-Star the year he turned 18. JMR still has time. That said, Davies is a generational talent for Canada. JMR doesn't need to reach those heights to have a very good career (for club and country). Xavier., Ruffian, dyslexic nam and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, RS said: Davies was an MLS All-Star the year he turned 18. JMR still has time. That said, Davies is a generational talent for Canada. JMR doesn't need to reach those heights to have a very good career (for club and country). Exactly. Davies was 17 turning 18 when he had his breakout season, with only 1 assist in his previous year. JMR is just going into that right now. Edited December 16, 2021 by PopePouri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I think JMR is going to end up being more of a Busio than a Davies, just looking at his skill set and his career trajectory thus far. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Obinna said: I think JMR is going to end up being more of a Busio than a Davies, just looking at his skill set and his career trajectory thus far. it's crazy that Davies is being mentioned. Like guys give me a break. Davies to Canada is what Haaland is to Norway.... JMRs got time, but let's not put a timeframe on his "breakout" especially in reference to Alphonso. Tyler55, GasPed, dyslexic nam and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Approve My Account Pls Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 If we're going to make the Davies reference, can someone please remind me what the 2nd most valuable player in Concacaf was doing at age 17? Everyone dial it back a few notches and let's give JMR a few years Matro25, PegCityCam and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Shway said: it's crazy that Davies is being mentioned. Like guys give me a break. Davies to Canada is what Haaland is to Norway.... JMRs got time, but let's not put a timeframe on his "breakout" especially in reference to Alphonso. Sure, I actually wouldn't care if he didn't take a step this upcoming season. Priso got into the team a year ago at 18. I mean Buchanan was 22 when he got his big move. Players develop at different rates. But if we're comparing Davies and JMR at this age, Davies was raw and had a poor final ball. Pottsy3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Approve My Account Pls said: If we're going to make the Davies reference, can someone please remind me what the 2nd most valuable player in Concacaf was doing at age 17? Everyone dial it back a few notches and let's give JMR a few years The obvious thing for me is the "type" of player he is. His main attribute seems to be his football IQ. That makes him a standout relative to others his age. Davies main attribute was his dribbling, pace, strength. Those qualities were off the charts and I think it helped him climb the ladder very quickly. It's very different I just don't see JMR doing that right now. If his football IQ sees him become Toronto's best player this upcoming season I will consider reversing my opinion. Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier. Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 The comparsions stem from the interest from Champions League clubs at age 17, that's it. Career trajectory not ≠ potential. Someone like Busio was never getting this much interest at this age. The interest is not "made up by his agent", although its inflated he is getting trials at Arsenal, Liverpool, etc right now. I don't think JMR is comparable to Davies at this age, he needs to prove so much more but, Davies was able to instantly step up at men's level because his ridiculous athelticism at age 17. JMR was never going to be able to do that. Very interested in how this season is going to go for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Approve My Account Pls Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, Obinna said: Davies main attribute was his dribbling, pace, strength. Those qualities were off the charts and I think it helped him climb the ladder very quickly. It's very different 100%, Davies physical gifts helped speed up his progress. It's evident from watching short stints of JMR that the talent is there, but where Davies was speeding by the whole MLS at age 17, JMR is still built like a child and needs to mature both physically and as a footballer. But I'm confident that he's a baller, it's just a matter of time Ivan and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Xavier. said: The comparsions stem from the interest from Champions League clubs at age 17, that's it. Career trajectory not ≠ potential. Someone like Busio was never getting this much interest at this age. The interest is not "made up by his agent", although its inflated he is getting trials at Arsenal, Liverpool, etc right now. I don't think JMR is comparable to Davies at this age, he needs to prove so much more but, Davies was able to instantly step up at men's level because his ridiculous athelticism at age 17. JMR was never going to be able to do that. Very interested in how this season is going to go for him. Is this accurate? I remember him drawing interest from big clubs after his first MLS season. Is my memory wrong (it could be)? Ruffian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier. Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Obinna said: Is this accurate? I remember him drawing interest from big clubs after his first MLS season. Is my memory wrong (it could be)? I remember him getting big interest in seria A (Fiorentina, Juventus, AC Milan), and PSV. Feyenoord in 2020. Which is big but a ton of Champions League level teams apparently having pre-agreed offers, training with Aresnal, Liverpool. Earlier Bayern, Manchester United having interest seems fairly higher. Obinna and Footyeh 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Xavier. said: I remember him getting big interest in seria A (Fiorentina, Juventus, AC Milan), and PSV. Feyenoord in 2020. Which is big but a ton of Champions League level teams apparently having pre-agreed offers, training with Aresnal, Liverpool. Earlier Bayern, Manchester United having interest seems fairly higher. Yeah fair enough. I agree that signing pre-agreements and training are a bigger deal and you could argue the clubs interested are stronger, even though they're all very big clubs. Will be happy if JMR is further along than Busio in 2 years time. Xavier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footyeh Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) Tweets like this imo are horrible: "Expecting offers to come soon for pre-agreed move when he turns 18", this is pushing a false narrative that the average fan ends up believing and it also creates such high expectations for us, of the player. I get it though, the MLS business model of the league right now is to push the best young players to Europe as quick as possible, so anytime information get's fed, it's always being amplified to the max to generate interest from fans. The same people said Busio was being chased by Barcelona, City, the Italian clubs @Xavier. mentioned above, and these reporters put it out like it was real. All of the "interested champions league clubs" or clubs he trained at were top clubs, yet he ended up at Venezia (which is still a great club, just not the stature of the ones always being reported on). The same for Cole Bassett from Colorado, really blossomed in the past year and the stories started flowing how he has big EU interest, trained at Arsenal, in the end, the only offer on the table was from Benfica B... Edited December 16, 2021 by Footyeh red card, Obinna and Xavier. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Footyeh said: Tweets like this imo are horrible: "Expecting offers to come soon for pre-agreed move when he turns 18", this is pushing a false narrative that the average fan ends up believing and it also creates such high expectations for us, of the player. I get it though, the MLS business model of the league right now is to push the best young players to Europe as quick as possible, so anytime information get's fed, it's always being amplified to the max to generate interest from fans. The same people said Busio was being chased by Barcelona, City, the Italian clubs @Xavier. mentioned above, and these reporters put it out like it was real. All of the "interested champions league clubs" or clubs he trained at were top clubs, yet he ended up at Venezia (which is still a great club, just not the stature of the ones always being reported on). The same for Cole Bassett from Colorado, really blossomed in the past year and the stories started flowing how he has big EU interest, trained at Arsenal, in the end, the only offer on the table was from Benfica B... im not sure Busio grew as expected however. But you do make a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebdeserio Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Don't JMR and Davies have the same amount of assists at this age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 7 hours ago, sebdeserio said: Don't JMR and Davies have the same amount of assists at this age? Kind of, but not really. In MLS league play, yes they both had 1 assist in the calendar year that they turned 17. But Davies also had 2 goals and an assist in CCL (all against MLS competition), and 2 goals and an assist in the Voyageurs Cup (again, all against MLS competition), and a Golden Boot performance with 3 goals in the Gold Cup. For what it's worth, Davies was also 5 months younger in these seasons I'm comparing. Meaning, Davies was 16 rather than 17 for the vast majority all of that season while JMR turned 17 halfway through the season. Right now JMR is 17 years and 6 months old. When Davies was 17 years and 6 months old he had all of the above stats, plus another goal and 2 assists in MLS league play in the 2018 season. PegCityCam and HochelagaFC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler55 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 JMR may be going to Dortmund after Liverpool, quite the tour he has lined up. Xavier., N1ckbr0wn, dyslexic nam and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Approve My Account Pls Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 33 minutes ago, Tyler55 said: JMR may be going to Dortmund after Liverpool, quite the tour he has lined up. I think the more impressive feat is we've got 6ixbuzz sharing Canadian Soccer content johnyb, N1ckbr0wn, Xavier. and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, Approve My Account Pls said: I think the more impressive feat is we've got 6ixbuzz sharing Canadian Soccer content That’s good, too bad they post that Turnip Chris Sky so much. Mattd97 and Pottsy3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pottsy3 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 minute ago, jordan said: That’s good, too bad they post that Turnip Chris Sky so much. They've had a few posts that have rode the line of homophobia, I had to unfollow that shit sebdeserio and Mattd97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, Pottsy3 said: They've had a few posts that have rode the line of homophobia, I had to unfollow that shit Did the same months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ckbr0wn Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Approve My Account Pls said: I think the more impressive feat is we've got 6ixbuzz sharing Canadian Soccer content I’m pretty sure whoever runs 6ixbuzz knows JMR irl, I’ve seen him appear in some collab videos. They also post about CANMNT quite a bit which is nice to see Xavier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strait Red Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 A story from this is Anfield re: JMR’s training sessions with Liverpool https://www.thisisanfield.com/2021/12/17-year-old-canada-forward-on-trial-with-liverpool-ahead-of-2022-move/?fbclid=IwAR1b4BufbDsEiBlTt421JGVyvTUNnUPTGGQW9I1N75IPPDHEQZd6Q7MhIrM jordan and Tyler55 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Strait Red said: A story from this is Anfield re: JMR’s training sessions with Liverpool https://www.thisisanfield.com/2021/12/17-year-old-canada-forward-on-trial-with-liverpool-ahead-of-2022-move/?fbclid=IwAR1b4BufbDsEiBlTt421JGVyvTUNnUPTGGQW9I1N75IPPDHEQZd6Q7MhIrM They link to that Youtube video with Wheeler, from the end of October. So recent. Wheeler is professional, speaks well, and asks proper questions. Good intereview. But, he is also the most cheerleader of TFC cheerleaders, don't let him call TFC matches, that is when he embarrasses himself. Xavier., Ivan and HochelagaFC 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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