General Discussion on CMNT

[dyslexic nam]

15 minutes ago, narduch said:

I think the last window brought us back down to Earth with the 2 losses.

That's partly why some questions are coming out now.

Don’t really think this was a big deal TBH.  Sure, a couple of the judgement calls can be questioned (like Ugbo and Millar’s exclusion) but we lost the first game largely as a result of the early red card IMO, and it was always going to be ridiculously tough to win away to Panama after coming down from the emotional high of qualifying at home just days before.  I don’t think that window said a lot about Herdman other than raising a couple of questions about selection criteria. 

[Bison44]

Of course the goal posts are being shifted.  Buchanon turned into a star last summer, another new solid offensive threat that even the mexicans were afraid of, Kennedy proved he was real CB and someone we could count on.  These new young guys are filling in the pieces we were missing.  Seemingly everytime we turn around a new young guy is stepping up (at his club) and giving Herdman more options.  Now Kone looks like he might be another viable midfield option, its like Herdman is in a John Wo shoot out movie and the props guy keeps giving him bigger and bigger guns every scene.   He is still jumping through the clouds of pigeons and blasting the baddies 2 fisted style though, cant take that away from him.   

[costarg]

1 hour ago, narduch said:

I think the last window brought us back down to Earth with the 2 losses.

That's partly why some questions are coming out now.

Also why the Herdman critics are back from hiding since the Ocho began.

[Free kick]

Don't know if this has been posted here yet.   Buts a good video summarizing the entire WCQ campaign

 

 

[Sal333]

2 hours ago, Bison44 said:

Of course the goal posts are being shifted.  Buchanon turned into a star last summer, another new solid offensive threat that even the mexicans were afraid of, Kennedy proved he was real CB and someone we could count on.  These new young guys are filling in the pieces we were missing.  Seemingly everytime we turn around a new young guy is stepping up (at his club) and giving Herdman more options.  Now Kone looks like he might be another viable midfield option, its like Herdman is in a John Wo shoot out movie and the props guy keeps giving him bigger and bigger guns every scene.   He is still jumping through the clouds of pigeons and blasting the baddies 2 fisted style though, cant take that away from him.   

I don't really buy the golden generation excuse.

You take Davies away from Canada and then compare our team to the USA. So who has the more golden generation? When it comes to the number of top players the states has it over our program yet we just tied them away and beat them at home. The huge difference: John Herdman. Just listen to the people who are closest to this program: the players. All the players give props to Herdman for turning this program around.

[shortofbrillant]

The fact that Herdman has been fortunate with circumstances and he has done a really good job are not mutually exclusive. People need to stop pretending like they are.

People are going to praise him to the degree they feel is right. It is a individual decision. There is no right or wrong answer. It seems weird how offended people get by this decision.

 

[Free kick]

4 hours ago, shortofbrillant said:

The fact that Herdman has been fortunate with circumstances and he has done a really good job are not mutually exclusive. People need to stop pretending like they are.

People are going to praise him to the degree they feel is right. It is a individual decision. There is no right or wrong answer. It seems weird how offended people get by this decision.

 

What's the saying again?   you have to be good to be lucky and you have to be lucky to be good.  The one I subscribe to is:  a good coach cant do much with poor talent but a poor coach can really screw up a team with good talent.  I also believe that coaches often get overpraised at times and get over-blamed at other times.   

Which is why i always find it hard to really judge our MNT coaches from 1996 to 2014.  That's because they really didn't have the talent in the key areas of the game.   From 2014-2018, I believe that we just had poor coach.   poor because:  there was a language barrier (poor communication), not accustomed to the realities of working in Canada & Concacaf,  inflexible and not adaptable,  nepotistic, set in old European ways,  excluded a player who could have helped us,  came from the wrong professional background etc etc etc

Edited April 11, 2022 by Free kick

[Corazon]

Canadians in MLS - Week 6

Montreal came back to win 2-1 this week, while Toronto tied and Vancouver lost.

Of note, Raheem Edwards added a 5th assist in 6 games while continuing to lead the MLS in assists.  Alistair Johnston provided a beautiful assist on the tying goal for Montreal.  Toronto FC played 9 Canadians in their game this weekend and included a couple of beautiful debut goals for Academy Grads Kosi Thompson & Jayden Nelson.

Canadian Player Minutes

Montreal - 2,217 minutes - 2,757 minutes including Goalkeeping

Toronto - 2,756 minutes

Vancouver - 1,511 minutes - 2,051 minutes including Goalkeeping

US MLS Teams - 1,400 minutes - 1,760 minutes including Goalkeeping

Stats provided by MLS.com.

Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	G	A	P%
Raheem Edwards	Los Angeles	LW	6	6	540	0	5	82.4%
Kamal Miller	Montreal	CB	6	6	531	0	1	81.6%
Jonathan Osorio	Toronto	CM	6	6	510	2	2	86.3%
Mark Anthony Kaye	Colorado	CM	6	6	497	2	0	82.3%
Alistair Johnston	Montreal	RB	6	6	477	0	1	83.8%
Russell Teibert	Vancouver	CM	6	6	467	0	0	79.6%
Luca Petrasso	Toronto	RB	5	5	450	0	3	71.6%
Joel Waterman	Montreal	CB	5	5	450	0	0	88.2%
Ismael Kone	Montreal	CM	6	5	385	1	2	80.5%
Lucas Cavallini	Vancouver	ST	5	4	372	1	0	74.2%
Cristian Gutierrez	Vancouver	LB	5	3	332	0	0	88.2%
Lukas MacNaughton	Toronto	CB	5	4	325	0	0	77.9%
Jayden Nelson	Toronto	RW	6	4	302	1	0	78.5%
Jacob Shaffelburg	Toronto	LW	4	4	296	0	2	75.1%
Kadin Chung	Toronto	CM	4	2	220	0	0	85.1%
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty	Toronto	CM	4	3	197	0	0	87.9%
Ryan Raposo	Vancouver	CM	5	2	164	1	0	75.0%
Kosi Thompson	Toronto	CM	4	2	161	1	0	64.8%
Noble Okello	Toronto	CM	4	1	156	0	0	75.9%
Tesho Akindele	Orlando	ST	6	1	138	0	0	71.7%
Tyler Pasher	Houston	ST	4	1	122	1	1	80.7%
Rida Zouhir	Montreal	CM	4	1	110	0	0	77.6%
Doneil Henry	Los Angeles FC	CB	3	1	103	0	0	89.0%
Marcus Godinho	Vancouver	RB	3	1	96	0	0	85.7%
Zach Brault-Guillard	Montreal	RB	4	0	94	1	0	86.3%
Mathieu Choiniere	Montreal	CM	2	1	94	0	0	87.5%
Deandre Kerr	Toronto	ST	2	1	78	0	0	75.0%
Zorhan Bassong	Montreal	LB	3	1	76	0	0	90.5%
Michael Baldisimo	Vancouver	CM	2	1	66	0	0	77.8%
Ralph Priso-Mbongue	Toronto	CM	2	0	45	0	0	76.5%
Jordan Peruzza	Toronto	ST	3	0	16	0	0	50.0%
Tosaint Ricketts	Vancouver	ST	2	0	12	0	0	0.0%
Emiliano Brienza	Vancouver	ST	1	0	2	0	0	83.3%
Damiano Pecile	Vancouver (to Venezia)	CM
Derek Cornelious	Vancouver (to Panetolikos)	CB
Kamron Habibullah	Vancouver (to Pacific FC)	CM
Simon Colyn	Vancouver (to Jong PSV)	CM
Matteo Campagna	Vancouver	CM
Luke Singh	Toronto (to FC Edmonton)	CB
Ayo Akinola	Toronto	ST
Reshaun Wilkes	Toronto	ST
Kobe Franklin	Toronto	RB
O'Vonte Mullings	New York	ST
Samuel Piette	Montreal	CM
Jean-Aniel Assi	Montreal	ST
Nathan-Dylan Saliba	Montreal	CM
Keesean Ferdinand	Montreal	CB
Karifa Yao	Montreal	CB
Tomas Giraldo	Montreal	CM
Sean Rea	Montreal	CM
Callum Montgomery	Minnesota	CB
Tani Oluwaseyi	Minnesota	ST
Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA	P%
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota	GK	4	4	360	16	3	52.6%
Maxime Crepeau	Los Angeles	GK	6	6	540	10	6	77.6%
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver	GK	6	6	540	20	12	53.0%
Sebastian Breza	Montreal (from Bologna)	GK	6	6	540	15	15	76.1%
James Pantemis	Montreal	GK
Greg Ranjitsingh	Toronto	GK
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver	GK
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal	GK
Luka Gavran	Toronto	GK

[A_Gagne]

On 4/3/2022 at 4:34 PM, Stryker911 said:

Final Octagon stats. I think anyone that had over 300 minutes is a lock at this point, barring injury, which is 18 players.

Player Team Age Starts Sub Appearance Unused Sub Minutes Goals  Assits Jonathan David  Lille 21 12 2   1073 5 3 Alistair Johnston Montreal 23 11 3   1041     Tajon Buchanan Club Brugge 22 11 2   1000 3 2 Richie Laryea Nottingham  26 11 2   983   2 Stephen Eustaquio Porto 24 11 1   965   2 Sam Adekugbe Hatayspor 26 9 3 1 881 1   Kamal Miller Montreal 24 9 3 2 862   1 Jonathan Osorio Toronto 29 7 5 1 695 1   Steven Vitoria Moreirense 34 7 1 2 683     Atiba Hutchinson Besiktas 38 7 3   670 2   Alphonso Davies Bayern Munich 21 7     599 1 3 Cyle Larin Besiktas 26 7 3 1 589 6   Mark-Anthony Kaye Colorado 26 7 3 2 500     Junior Hoilett Reading 31 5 4 1 443 1   Doneil Henry LAFC 28 5   7 369     Scott Kennedy Regensburg 24 4 1 3 322     Liam Millar Basel 22 3 1 7 206     Samuel Piette Montreal 27 2 2 7 143     Liam Fraser Deinze 23   5 6 119   1 Lucas Cavallini Vancouver 28 1 4 4 111     David Wotherspoon St. Johnstone 31 1 2 4 105     Derek Cornelius Panetolikos 23 1   10 90     Ismael Kone Montreal 19 1 1 1 55     Ike Ugbo Troyes 23   4 4 26     Charles-Andreas Brym FC Eindhoven 23   3   14     Jacob Shaffelburg Toronto 21   2 1 10     Zachary Brault-Guiillard Montreal 22   1 3 7     Christian Gutierrez Vancouver 24     5 0                       Milan Borjan Red Star 34 10   1 900     Maxime Crepeau LAFC 27 4   10 360     James Pantemis Montreal 24     8 0     Dayne St. Clair Minnesota 24     6 0     Jason Leutwiler Oldham 32     3 0

Re: GK's interesting that Pantemis get's the CMNT calls, whereas Breza gets the starts for Montreal. I think St. Clair probably has the edge for 3rd WCQ GK spot if he can keep his starting role with Minnesota.

[Sal333]

22 hours ago, A_Gagne said:

Re: GK's interesting that Pantemis get's the CMNT calls, whereas Breza gets the starts for Montreal. I think St. Clair probably has the edge for 3rd WCQ GK spot if he can keep his starting role with Minnesota.

Naw! Pantemis has fallen behind St Clair and Hasal and I would say even Breza on the national front. It wouldn't surprise me if next season Sirois doesn't jump ahead of Pantemis.

[jordan]

On 4/11/2022 at 11:52 AM, Corazon said:

Canadians in MLS - Week 6

Montreal came back to win 2-1 this week, while Toronto tied and Vancouver lost.

Of note, Raheem Edwards added a 5th assist in 6 games while continuing to lead the MLS in assists.  Alistair Johnston provided a beautiful assist on the tying goal for Montreal.  Toronto FC played 9 Canadians in their game this weekend and included a couple of beautiful debut goals for Academy Grads Kosi Thompson & Jayden Nelson.

Canadian Player Minutes

Montreal - 2,217 minutes - 2,757 minutes including Goalkeeping

Toronto - 2,756 minutes

Vancouver - 1,511 minutes - 2,051 minutes including Goalkeeping

US MLS Teams - 1,400 minutes - 1,760 minutes including Goalkeeping

Stats provided by MLS.com.

Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	G	A	P%
Raheem Edwards	Los Angeles	LW	6	6	540	0	5	82.4%
Kamal Miller	Montreal	CB	6	6	531	0	1	81.6%
Jonathan Osorio	Toronto	CM	6	6	510	2	2	86.3%
Mark Anthony Kaye	Colorado	CM	6	6	497	2	0	82.3%
Alistair Johnston	Montreal	RB	6	6	477	0	1	83.8%
Russell Teibert	Vancouver	CM	6	6	467	0	0	79.6%
Luca Petrasso	Toronto	RB	5	5	450	0	3	71.6%
Joel Waterman	Montreal	CB	5	5	450	0	0	88.2%
Ismael Kone	Montreal	CM	6	5	385	1	2	80.5%
Lucas Cavallini	Vancouver	ST	5	4	372	1	0	74.2%
Cristian Gutierrez	Vancouver	LB	5	3	332	0	0	88.2%
Lukas MacNaughton	Toronto	CB	5	4	325	0	0	77.9%
Jayden Nelson	Toronto	RW	6	4	302	1	0	78.5%
Jacob Shaffelburg	Toronto	LW	4	4	296	0	2	75.1%
Kadin Chung	Toronto	CM	4	2	220	0	0	85.1%
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty	Toronto	CM	4	3	197	0	0	87.9%
Ryan Raposo	Vancouver	CM	5	2	164	1	0	75.0%
Kosi Thompson	Toronto	CM	4	2	161	1	0	64.8%
Noble Okello	Toronto	CM	4	1	156	0	0	75.9%
Tesho Akindele	Orlando	ST	6	1	138	0	0	71.7%
Tyler Pasher	Houston	ST	4	1	122	1	1	80.7%
Rida Zouhir	Montreal	CM	4	1	110	0	0	77.6%
Doneil Henry	Los Angeles FC	CB	3	1	103	0	0	89.0%
Marcus Godinho	Vancouver	RB	3	1	96	0	0	85.7%
Zach Brault-Guillard	Montreal	RB	4	0	94	1	0	86.3%
Mathieu Choiniere	Montreal	CM	2	1	94	0	0	87.5%
Deandre Kerr	Toronto	ST	2	1	78	0	0	75.0%
Zorhan Bassong	Montreal	LB	3	1	76	0	0	90.5%
Michael Baldisimo	Vancouver	CM	2	1	66	0	0	77.8%
Ralph Priso-Mbongue	Toronto	CM	2	0	45	0	0	76.5%
Jordan Peruzza	Toronto	ST	3	0	16	0	0	50.0%
Tosaint Ricketts	Vancouver	ST	2	0	12	0	0	0.0%
Emiliano Brienza	Vancouver	ST	1	0	2	0	0	83.3%
Damiano Pecile	Vancouver (to Venezia)	CM
Derek Cornelious	Vancouver (to Panetolikos)	CB
Kamron Habibullah	Vancouver (to Pacific FC)	CM
Simon Colyn	Vancouver (to Jong PSV)	CM
Matteo Campagna	Vancouver	CM
Luke Singh	Toronto (to FC Edmonton)	CB
Ayo Akinola	Toronto	ST
Reshaun Wilkes	Toronto	ST
Kobe Franklin	Toronto	RB
O'Vonte Mullings	New York	ST
Samuel Piette	Montreal	CM
Jean-Aniel Assi	Montreal	ST
Nathan-Dylan Saliba	Montreal	CM
Keesean Ferdinand	Montreal	CB
Karifa Yao	Montreal	CB
Tomas Giraldo	Montreal	CM
Sean Rea	Montreal	CM
Callum Montgomery	Minnesota	CB
Tani Oluwaseyi	Minnesota	ST
Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA	P%
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota	GK	4	4	360	16	3	52.6%
Maxime Crepeau	Los Angeles	GK	6	6	540	10	6	77.6%
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver	GK	6	6	540	20	12	53.0%
Sebastian Breza	Montreal (from Bologna)	GK	6	6	540	15	15	76.1%
James Pantemis	Montreal	GK
Greg Ranjitsingh	Toronto	GK
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver	GK
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal	GK
Luka Gavran	Toronto	GK

Whoa numbers like this are going to upset the Toronto is bad crowd

[Bison44]

41 minutes ago, jordan said:

Whoa numbers like this are going to upset the Toronto is bad crowd

NA!  Toronto is still bad.  Hehehehehee!!!!  

[El Hombre]

1 hour ago, jordan said:

Whoa numbers like this are going to upset the Toronto is bad crowd

Most of the people around here that have been critical of TFC in the recent past (including me) have found them a joy to watch this season.

[narduch]

1 hour ago, jordan said:

Whoa numbers like this are going to upset the Toronto is bad crowd

Would be interesting to contrast this with 2018.

As I feel that it took having competition from CPL for the 3 teams to finally take playing Canadians seriously 

[Jedi Ram]

On 4/11/2022 at 11:52 AM, Corazon said:

 

Player	Team	Position	GP	GS	MP	S	GA	P%
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota	GK	4	4	360	16	3	52.6%
Maxime Crepeau	Los Angeles	GK	6	6	540	10	6	77.6%
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver	GK	6	6	540	20	12	53.0%
Sebastian Breza	Montreal (from Bologna)	GK	6	6	540	15	15	76.1%
James Pantemis	Montreal	GK
Greg Ranjitsingh	Toronto	GK
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver	GK
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal	GK
Luka Gavran	Toronto	GK

Can you add in Wins for GK ?

[Corazon]

6 minutes ago, Jedi Ram said:

Can you add in Wins for GK ?

Yes, will do.

[RS]

2 hours ago, narduch said:

Would be interesting to contrast this with 2018.

As I feel that it took having competition from CPL for the 3 teams to finally take playing Canadians seriously 

That may be a factor, but you'd also have to take into account the maturing of the three academies.

Having a bigger pool of MLS-ready players to choose from inevitably leads to more of them being chosen. For Toronto specifically, the 2002s-2005s were always seen as the "best" of the academy cohorts thus far, going back 4-5 years now.

[Bison44]

1 hour ago, RS said:

That may be a factor, but you'd also have to take into account the maturing of the three academies.

Having a bigger pool of MLS-ready players to choose from inevitably leads to more of them being chosen. For Toronto specifically, the 2002s-2005s were always seen as the "best" of the academy cohorts thus far, going back 4-5 years now.

Those would be the first batch of kids who always had a local (TFC )team and local players to look up to.  From Attakora-Henry-Osorio..kids like Nelsen and JMR have always known it was possible for a kid from Brampton (hehe) to get to the top in MLS.    

[SoccMan]

Totally forgot to post this a few weeks back, but one thing that I had to laugh at and saw at the Canada Jamaica game at BMO a few weeks back . I was sitting on the west side second tier section 226 when I saw probably some newbie to probably soccer trying to start the wave lol, a few people tried to join in but many and me included started yelling wrong sport lol . Thankfully it never got started . The poor guy who tried to start it look bewildered why no one wanted to join in lol . 

[Bison44]

Wrong sport??  Didnt the wave come from mexican fans originally in the 80's?  It was a big hit at WC86, first time I remember seeing it.    

[SoccMan]

Just now, Bison44 said:

Wrong sport??  Didnt the wave come from mexican fans originally in the 80's?  It was a big hit at WC86, first time I remember seeing it.    

Yes I know it did your right actually , probably was not the right choice of words to use come to think about it .

[Bison44]

Just now, SoccMan said:

Yes I know it did your right actually , probably was not the right choice of words to use come to think about it .

No worries....I did the same thing at my first Valour game and got the same bewildered looks.  "You know....OLE.....like in Mexico......anyone anyone???"  Of course having fans on only half the stadium didnt help.

[El Hombre]

32 minutes ago, SoccMan said:

Totally forgot to post this a few weeks back, but one thing that I had to laugh at and saw at the Canada Jamaica game at BMO a few weeks back . I was sitting on the west side second tier section 226 when I saw probably some newbie to probably soccer trying to start the wave lol, a few people tried to join in but many and me included started yelling wrong sport lol . Thankfully it never got started . The poor guy who tried to start it look bewildered why no one wanted to join in lol . 

Also, it was too goddamn cold to be waving your arms around.

[scooterlawrence5]

The "Mexican wave" and the "Viking clap", both imports.

[WestHamCanadianinOxford]

1 hour ago, Bison44 said:

Wrong sport??  Didnt the wave come from mexican fans originally in the 80's?  It was a big hit at WC86, first time I remember seeing it.    

It was at least being done in the NHL and MLB in the very early eighties 

First video documented one:

I only know this because I have had this discussion with English fans who call it the Mexican wave, when I grew up calling it just the wave, obviously. 

Edited April 16, 2022 by WestHamCanadianinOxford