Bison44 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Real Marc said: But theoretically MLS could develop a foreign-player rule that is not based on green card status, no? Just like they created the DP rules and designate certain players as DP's and only so many DP's per team, does american labor laws get involved in that? They pulled that out of their ass.....why cant they make MLS INT status similar (a strictly internal league designation like DP) and use their own rules/criteria for it? Especially when they have 2 countries and 2 different immigration/labor systems involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Just like they created the DP rules and designate certain players as DP's and only so many DP's per team, does american labor laws get involved in that? They pulled that out of their ass.....why cant they make MLS INT status similar (a strictly internal league designation like DP) and use their own rules/criteria for it? Especially when they have 2 countries and 2 different immigration/labor systems involved. DP rules have nothing to do with a player's nationality, though. Most of the MLS rules that people lament are based on salary/seniority, which is perfectly fine. It's hard not to run afoul of either government if MLS makes a rule that says "this player is still counts as a foreigner even though he has a green card/permanent residency." It's literally illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, RS said: I could be wrong on this, and I'm happy to see any actual documentation to the contrary, but based on following these rules for years I don't think a league could circumvent their own country's actual labour designations. 26 minutes ago, RS said: It's hard not to run afoul of either government if MLS makes a rule that says "this player is still counts as a foreigner even though he has a green card/permanent residency." It's literally illegal. This makes sense to me, but pro sports leagues have single entity and other structures to circumvent competition and restraint of trade rules, no? They make roster-related rules about that seem to restrict employment of domestic workers, such as discovery and acquisition rules, home grown players, transfer windows, having to be full-time, contract exclusivity, not allowing collegiate players from playing professionally while enrolled, minimum age requirements, etc. This is not a challenge to your statement - I'm not well-versed in this and you've lived this stuff. But the whole setup of a single sports league is naturally discriminatory against workers. Edited September 8, 2022 by The Real Marc Bison44 and Free kick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, The Real Marc said: This makes sense to me, but pro sports leagues have single entity and other structures to circumvent competition and restraint of trade rules, no? They make roster-related rules about that seem to restrict employment of domestic workers, such as discovery and acquisition rules, home grown players, transfer windows, having to be full-time, contract exclusivity, not allowing collegiate players from playing professionally while enrolled, minimum age requirements, etc. This is not a challenge to your statement - I'm not well-versed in this and you've lived this stuff. But the whole setup of a single sports league is naturally discriminatory against workers. None of what you say is wrong. The sports leagues all walk a fine line on the stuff you're talking about, but circumventing long-established labour regulations (which are tied to civil rights) is simply something no one wants to approach. I think suppression of pay, restriction of movement, etc., are far more "tolerated" because it's sports rather than the "real world", although a lot of that stuff happens in the real world too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, much like the rest of the corporate world, I think sports leagues can get away with messing around with everything you mentioned except a worker's right to work. That's what the green card issue boils down to, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 This thread all of a sudden has some serious 2010 vibes to it. All it needs now is Mo Johnston or Bobby Lenarduzzi lobbying for more international spots for Canadian teams. The Real Marc, Ruffian and DeRo_Is_King 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, RS said: I guess what I'm trying to say is that, much like the rest of the corporate world, I think sports leagues can get away with messing around with everything you mentioned except a worker's right to work. That's what the green card issue boils down to, for me. This makes sense. Restricting movement? No sweat. Restricting on age? Iffy but can likely can get away with. Restricting on citizenship? Dangerwillrobinson. Edited September 8, 2022 by The Real Marc RS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 3 hours ago, The Real Marc said: This makes sense. Restricting movement? No sweat. Restricting on age? Iffy but can likely can get away with. Restricting on citizenship? Dangerwillrobinson. And, as a convenient plus, benefits the GMs that aren't bound by more restrictive squad-building rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 8 hours ago, RS said: That won't happen, if only because no FIFA affiliated soccer league in the world works that way. Would that really prevent MLS from doing it? I think MLS should eventually get rid of when the big media money eventually rolls in. Just give really good cap incentives for homegrown players to ensure clubs stay interested with their youth development initiatives and voila, the league should still have a good base of really good American and Canadian domestics amongst all the international talent. The Real Marc and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solsous Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 So far, he is having a decent half. He made a surgical square pass to Mukhtar in the box that was not converted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Late addition to the WC roster? I think not 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 7:57 AM, Kent said: I can't remember which team, but I am pretty sure a month or 2 ago TFC played a team that started 0 Americans (based on the flags chosen by TSN to put on the starting lineup). I agree with you on the last sentence, I have had the same thought. During Mihailovic and Toye injuries, Montréal probably played few matches without any Americans. Miljevic never starts, and I have no idea who Logan Ketterer is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Floortom said: Any chance Caceres gets called up in September by Uruguay? The Real Marc and yomurphy1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solsous Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Obinna said: Any chance Caceres gets called up in September by Uruguay? I don't think he is quite ready for that level of competition, but if he incorporate e few more nuances into his game, his future looks bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 On 9/10/2022 at 5:04 PM, MauditYvon said: During Mihailovic and Toye injuries, Montréal probably played few matches without any Americans. Miljevic never starts, and I have no idea who Logan Ketterer is. It was an American team. It wouldn't have been remarkable to me for a Canadian team to not start any Americans. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTransport Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Looks like Shaff will be starting in the playoffs, no other TFC player can say that this year 😜 cornerkick, NVsoccer, DeRo_Is_King and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solsous Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 He is giving Club America more than they can handle. So far, he is the match motm. I hope that Nashville is smart enough to convert the loan to a buy. costarg, johnyb, narduch and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saladroit Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, solsous said: He is giving Club America more than they can handle. So far, he is the match motm. I hope that Nashville is smart enough to convert the loan to a buy. absolutely cooking miguel layun right now Edited September 22, 2022 by saladroit Obinna, johnyb, dyslexic nam and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solsous Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just now, saladroit said: absolutely cooking miguel layun right now Unfortunately, he just got back doored on the Club America goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lansdude Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just pressured and won the ball in America's box and hit a perfect pass across, should have been an assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalTransport Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just now, Lansdude said: Just pressured and won the ball in America's box and hit a perfect pass across, should have been an assist. He’s looking like he deserves a call-up, He’s way more hungry than his former teammates. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 What a great story this kid is. Happy for him - and def want to in see him parlay this into success. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solsous Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Lansdude said: Just pressured and won the ball in America's box and hit a perfect pass across, should have been an assist. In the first minute or two in the game, he gave Bunbury a sitter that was saved by the keeper. A few minutes later, he sent another low cross to Bunbury, that the forward failed to convert. The kid looks legit. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Time Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Different positions, yes, but Shaffelburg ought to be in Austria right now. After all, Brym is there for some reason. Why not Shaffelburg? TOcanadafan, dennis, Obinna and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbacons Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Looking forward to seeing the full game highlights. Unfortunately I missed the first half. I caught a few minutes in the 2nd half and the commentators were raving about him, saying that he we was terrorizing Layun down the left. If only he didn't play the same position as Davies, Buchanon, Hoillet, Millar and Corbeanu... johnyb, dyslexic nam and Corazon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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