dyslexic nam Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, CanadaFan123 said: I expect him to be more of a Akindele in our program than a Cavallini/Larin. We will see. I still think he showed some really good movement and play during the MLS is Back tourney and we have no idea what sidelined him for so long. He was the 2nd highest scorer in MLSiB with 5 goals in only 3 games, and then followed that up with 9 goals in only 11 starts (15 total appearances) in the 2020 season. That seems pretty good to me considering he had to battle DP-Jozy for time (and let’s face it, Altidore and Bradley are pretty much written on the game sheet in permanent marker when healthy). I still have faith that he can be a solid option for us. I am not claiming he is going to displace David or anything - but I could see him progressing to the point where he becomes top 3 as Cav moves out of the picture. TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 40 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: We will see. I still think he showed some really good movement and play during the MLS is Back tourney and we have no idea what sidelined him for so long. He was the 2nd highest scorer in MLSiB with 5 goals in only 3 games, and then followed that up with 9 goals in only 11 starts (15 total appearances) in the 2020 season. That seems pretty good to me considering he had to battle DP-Jozy for time (and let’s face it, Altidore and Bradley are pretty much written on the game sheet in permanent marker when healthy). I still have faith that he can be a solid option for us. I am not claiming he is going to displace David or anything - but I could see him progressing to the point where he becomes top 3 as Cav moves out of the picture. I consider that his ceiling, but he also has a floor, which is probably "Akindele" level. TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 It's way too early to determine where Ayo's ceiling is. We just have a partial MLS season. If he can improve on last season's goal production and build on the other aspects of his game, then anything is possible. He is fast, not tall but built like a tank and physical, has a great shot..so lots to like. His game is different from David and Larin and more like Cav. Depending on how we line up he could be a natural sub for Cav at #9 vs Larin/David as a #7/#10/second striker dyslexic nam and TGAA_Star 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Obinna said: I think part of it is that he accepted a call for Canada, but he's not as highly rated as say Effrain Alvarez , so the attitude seems to be "he's probably gone but meh, we're stacked and he'll have more of a future with Canada". I imagine they treat Ayo like we treated Telfer. David, Dike, Sargent, Larin, Cavallini, Zardes,.......Jozy. Not my ranking per se, just how I imagine their fan base would rank those players. Curious to know how you would rank those players. Sargent has played 69 games in B1 for Werder Bremen and scored 11 goals over 3 seasons including this season ( 29 games 5 goals). He reminds me a lot of Urutti...works his butt off but doesnt score much and that's a problem for a striker..now just watch him get a brace today! TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Kadenge said: Curious to know how you would rank those players. Sargent has played 69 games in B1 for Werder Bremen and scored 11 goals over 3 seasons including this season ( 29 games 5 goals). He reminds me a lot of Urutti...works his butt off but doesnt score much and that's a problem for a striker..now just watch him get a brace today! I would perhaps swap Sargent and Dike, just because I think opinion on Dike is partly driven by hype at the moment, plus I think Sargent is arguably a better all around player. He inarguably has more experience, is more versatile, and is playing at a higher level. Dike has a better goal record though, so all in all I would say it's close and I wouldn't die on a hill arguing for Sargent. I would still have Cavallini over Zardes, but I am very tempted to call it a coin flip if I am being honest. I think Americans undervalue Zardes, and they have fresh (and hopefully painful) memories of Cavallini driving that nail in their coffin last October. That's why I think, if you asked them, they'd put Cavallini ahead of Zardes, perhaps comfortably. However, Zardes' goal record over the course of his career is quite similar to Cavs at the club level. Lucas has played at a better (Liga MX) and worse (Uruguay) level than MLS, where Zardes has exclusively played in MLS, so I consider that pretty much even. Zardes has more caps, but Cavallini has more goals in less caps. Edge to Cavallini, perhaps? I have Larin ahead of both, but again it's close. He's doing it at Besiktas, so for me he's leading that group of 3 at the moment. David is first and Jozy is last, that much is easy. TGAA_Star and Kadenge 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Obinna said: David, Dike, Sargent, Larin, Cavallini, Zardes,.......Jozy. Not my ranking per se, just how I imagine their fan base would rank those players. A completely unbiased opinion.... David, Larin, Cavallini, Dike, Sargeant, Zardes, Jozy. Sargeant is overrated. Dike is nice, but very fresh and unseasoned. Zardes is dependable but so is Cavallini.... okay this was completely biased. NVsoccer, h coach and Bertuzzi44 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedPilko Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Sargent is such a weird case to me... he always looks so dangerous, but he only directly contributes to goals a fraction of the time. I remember watching him in that pokal game vs Kennedy and thinking he was underrated... except he just never makes those dangerous plays in the box. It was always just outside. TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavemTFC Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Ayo had injury problems himself last season but when he played he was generally much more useful and dangerous than Jozy was. Not hyperactive by any means but still regularly found good spots and scored goals, including multiple match winners. He hasn't looked in shape this year and hasn't even played his natural position, but I'm confident he'll come around TGAA_Star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 45 minutes ago, DavemTFC said: Ayo had injury problems himself last season but when he played he was generally much more useful and dangerous than Jozy was. Not hyperactive by any means but still regularly found good spots and scored goals, including multiple match winners. He hasn't looked in shape this year and hasn't even played his natural position, but I'm confident he'll come around I’m cringing he’s coming off an injury, TFC have played 5 games, Ayo came on against Azul in a game where nothing was created and the guy has like 30 minutes this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavemTFC Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 On 4/30/2021 at 11:48 PM, Dominic94 said: I’m cringing he’s coming off an injury, TFC have played 5 games, Ayo came on against Azul in a game where nothing was created and the guy has like 30 minutes this year... Not sure why you're saying this when it seems we're both making kinda the same point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, DavemTFC said: Not sure why you're saying this when it seems we're both making kinda the same point I read your post wrong upon reflection, thought you weren’t happy with his performance and not giving him a fair shake, re read and you’re just pointing out what I did right after you😂 DavemTFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavemTFC Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Ah all good then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoH037 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Doing well so far. Good opportunity for him to make a statement tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavemTFC Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Thought he was probably one of our better players tonight, though he was also pretty clearly gassed. He's still constantly making direct, dangerous goalscoring runs off the ball though not quite as sharply as he did last year. That's somewhat due to playing at Azteca and somewhat due to playing for just the third time this year, though I still wonder if he's lost speed, or if he never really had as much as I remember him having Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) Ayo did ok. He got played in and beat the Azul player to the ball and got off a good shot in the first half. All based on his speed and a shoulder barge on the defender..very similar to plays he was making last year. I think he'll be fine once all the rust gets knocked off. Edited May 5, 2021 by Bison44 Shway and toontownman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Thought he looked laboured, slow and unfit but great strength. As mentioned above, all of that sharpness will come with more match fitness. So important minutes tonight. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Maybe my eyes, and his kit is playing tricks on me. But man does he look a lot heavier than last year. Not good for his fitness, sharpness, and movement. But he clearly has superior strength for a 21 yo. gator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Chuck Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) No Ayo on USMNT Nations League provisional! The players listed who can play striker: Sargent, Dike, Weah, Siebatcheu, Zardes, Gioacchini probably in that order. The first three or four names will make the Nations League final and the rest are likely contenders for the Gold Cup. If they view Weah and Gioacchini as wingers then Ayo has a chance for the USMNT Gold Cup B-squad, but if they are strikers then even that doesn't seem likely. Edited May 10, 2021 by Canadian Chuck Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 @Canadian Chuck you were better posting this in the USA national team watch thread. I think we all know Akinola was never going to be in this team as it was stated this was going to be an A team roster. If he decides to play international ball this summer, the Gold Cup will be his likely decider - unless he holds out. Canadian Chuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I know he's coming off from a long layoff, but I haven't seen much from him yet to think he'd get called to either A team. I don't think he's going to shine as long as Toronto continues to struggle, however long that will last. toontownman, TOcanadafan, Colliedor and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kent Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Hopefully Dwyer's wife doesn't start hanging out with the team and talking about international choices with Ayo. sebdeserio, grigorio, Addona and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Anyone watch the game tonight? I’m curious how he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 He’s coming back to fitness, will be a few more games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, trc2014 said: Anyone watch the game tonight? I’m curious how he did. He was quiet. Didn’t really get much good service at all but I was hoping for him to make something happen and it never really materialized. Was active and had some hustle but wasn’t really a goal threat. For me, the most telling thing was the fact that Jozy had an obviously positive impact when he came on and it kind of highlighted what Ayo wasn’t doing. Edited May 13, 2021 by dyslexic nam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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