Mikmacdo Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Obinna said: Yes good that Fraser gets this long awaited chance in the team in place of Bradley, but I am not convinced DM is his best position. It is better to get in the team as the 6 than not at all, obviously, and it's a job I expect Fraser to do well, but I see his potential as an 8 the more I watch him. If he is a true DM, he certainly did a good job for Canada masquerading as an 8. With any luck, he'll take over Delgado's role once Bradley returns. With Pozuelo, Osorio, Delgado, Bradley and Fraser, Toronto are more than set in the midfield and could possibly even trade or sell one of them on. They are all starting quality MLS players and it's starting to feel like one too many cooks in the kitchen, especially if Fraser proves himself like we all expect him to. Really? I see him as more of a 6 than Bradley. I think he will start with Delgado and Osorio with pozuelo on a wing to start the year. Colliedor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 We are making the assumption that Fraser even starts in Bradley's place, it would not surprise me to see Vanney play Delgado or even Deleon in that position, if Fraser does get to start I expect he will be on a very short leash and there won't be much room for error! Stryker911 and Bison44 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, gator said: We are making the assumption that Fraser even starts in Bradley's place, it would not surprise me to see Vanney play Delgado or even Deleon in that position, if Fraser does get to start I expect he will be on a very short leash and there won't be much room for error! Awwww, Gator..we were having a moment!! Now you went and ruined it with what Vanney will probably do, bury a CDN prospect with a shitty american journeyman. CanadaFan123 and gator 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikmacdo Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Fraser started last year when Bradley was out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Delgado already starts, so I’m not sure how he’d also start in place of Bradley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Delgado is a hell of a player, Vanney is working on cloning him...next year we'll see Manny and Lanny Delgado get starts for TFC. Obinna, Stouffvillain and Kadenge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowcrash Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Delgado has some glaring holes but his motor is head and shoulders above any of the mids on the team, including Bradley, and that's what gets him the minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Mikmacdo said: Really? I see him as more of a 6 than Bradley. I think he will start with Delgado and Osorio with pozuelo on a wing to start the year. Most people think he is a natural 6. I think he can play well as a 6. I also suspect he can evolve into an 8. He was pretty dynamic in the Kaye role against the US and especially against Iceland. I am not advocating for him to play as an 8 per se, I am just pointing out that he is showing characteristics which suggest he can play further up field. Bradley is kind of the opposite. He evolved from an 8 into a 6 due to age. Edited January 21, 2020 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowcrash Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Hopefully, Fraser can evolve into a version of Benoit Cheyrou. Not the OM version. I'd be happy with the version that was getting starter minutes with TFC. Kadenge, Alex1775 and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 https://www.torontofc.ca/post/2020/01/24/liam-fraser-ready-take-next-step-his-hometown-team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
to70 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 An article on Fraser on TSN. Looks like they have someone doing stories from the staff and not just using CP. https://www.tsn.ca/opportunity-knocks-for-toronto-fc-midfielder-liam-fraser-1.1450023 toontownman and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 the "window of opportunity" for Fraser with Bradley's injury is closing fast. By the time MLS restarts, Bradley will mostly likely be fit again. He needs playing time now to further develop and may need to transfer out of TFC to accomplish that. The alternative is going down the path of Jordan Hamilton and Jay Chapman who elected to hang on for too long. toontownman and gator 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 I feel for Fraser, but look at a guy like Jakovic. Having a nice resurgence, getting playing time....might not be around next year. Same with Hutchinson. Shitty deal all around for everyone, but at least the young guys will still have more time to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 21 hours ago, Kadenge said: the "window of opportunity" for Fraser with Bradley's injury is closing fast. By the time MLS restarts, Bradley will mostly likely be fit again. He needs playing time now to further develop and may need to transfer out of TFC to accomplish that. The alternative is going down the path of Jordan Hamilton and Jay Chapman who elected to hang on for too long. It became apparent in the first couple of games that the window of opportunity was closed for Fraser with Vanney moving Delgado into the MB role, I agree he probably needs to move on from TFC sooner than later once things get going again whenever that may be! deschamp86, Kadenge, Kyle_The_Hill and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Article in Toronto Sun https://torontosun.com/sports/soccer/mls/toronto-fc-midfielder-liam-fraser-not-stewing-over-an-opportunity-lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 HAHAHA...as posted by Gator above, poor old Fraser wasnt going to get any more of a chance with bradley out, so he really isnt losing any more than anyone else. Still its nice to see the Sun putting out TFC stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikmacdo Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Should have put him at CB instead of the nephew lol Nate3322, gator, sebdeserio and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdog Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Vanney having 5 subs is scary since he usually can’t figure out how to use 3 correctly in the first place. Poor Fraser had to sit and watch that happen when he should have been out there. Obinna, johnyb, narduch and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Funny that the CBs came off to keep them safe and ready for next game but Bradley didnt. He was the one coming off the injury. Also funny that once the offensive sparkplugs were subbed out (Piatti/Poz), the supposed "engine" guys looked pretty lost and ineffective for all the running around they did. Lansdude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Vanney was forced to rotate the cb’s, otherwise a few others would have played Mikmacdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 After a misplaced forward lofted ball to a breaking Laryea down the wing when he first got on the pitch, Fraser accomplished more quality forward and link up play in the next few minutes than Delgado did in his entire 65 mins. It’s so frustrating seeing Fraser nailed to the bench in favour of a guy with awful touch and vision who just runs around (and his over praised for his defensive abilities - positioning / instincts most notably). Bdog, gator, Club Linesman and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just listening to Vanney bark orders I think he likes Delgado because they work well together. I am not saying Liam doesn't, but it must be very valuable to a coach to have a player you can depend on to do what you say, pick up the positions you want him in, etc. Liam did a fine job last night though. Didn't play his way off the team or onto it. With a place in the next round secured, let's hope he gets more game time. The struggle continues... Bison44 and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, TOcanadafan said: After a misplaced forward lofted ball to a breaking Laryea down the wing when he first got on the pitch, Fraser accomplished more quality forward and link up play in the next few minutes than Delgado did in his entire 65 mins. It’s so frustrating seeing Fraser nailed to the bench in favour of a guy with awful touch and vision who just runs around (and his over praised for his defensive abilities - positioning / instincts most notably). I have always been impressed with his play in the limited opportunity he gets, he sure can make a pass, reads the game well and his positional play seems good to me despite Vanny continousily barking at him like a youth team coach, hopefully he gets some more minutes and can develop his game more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Obinna said: Just listening to Vanney bark orders I think he likes Delgado because they work well together. I am not saying Liam doesn't, but it must be very valuable to a coach to have a player you can depend on to do what you say, pick up the positions you want him in, etc. I've been trying to put my finger on what it is about Delgado but I think you got it. Vanney has that same disease that we have seen so many times in Canadian national team coaches. There are types of players that always pop up and I think its because they are attentive and work hard in practice and tend to eke out game time from that. So I see Delgado a lot like the players we've had like that over the years: - Jeremy Gagnon-Lepare - Jonathan Beaulieu-Bourgault - Chris Manella - Ethan Gage Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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