El Diego Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Vanney likes Delgado because he does the work of two players, and (most of the time) quickly moves the ball to a better player. He's essentially a more mobile Piette. He and Fraser, while both being central midfielders, are different players. Free kick, RS, PopePouri and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 i think its easier than that. He saw something in Delgado as a teenager, tried to nuture him and is personally invested in his success. He scouted him for US youth camps, then brought him to every coaching job he has had since then. Its just weird...especially when he tried very hard to replicate it with Spencer and also has a relative on his team.  Club Linesman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I don't mind Delgado. I used to dislike him before but also I think he gets a lot of added hate on here because he is an american and taking the role of what we all consider a promising Canadian talent. I would love to see Fraser take his role but Fraser is much more like Bradley than Delgado though. However, with all that being said, I can never forgive him for his miss in extra time vs Chivas that would have won the CONCACAF Champions League for Toronto. Instead it went to a shootout and we all know how those end with Toronto. Obinna, CANMNT_SUPERFAN, An Observer and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colliedor Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I'm not Delgado's biggest fan at times, but yesterday I would cut him some slack. He did not look like he had the legs for go a whole half. He looked done in the first imo. He was not high pressing like he normally would and showed lack of urgency. The lack of rest could've played a part here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bison44 said: i think its easier than that. He saw something in Delgado as a teenager, tried to nuture him and is personally invested in his success. He scouted him for US youth camps, then brought him to every coaching job he has had since then. Its just weird...especially when he tried very hard to replicate it with Spencer and also has a relative on his team.  I think you are painting about 80% of the picture here. The last 20% you leave out is that Delgado and Vanney clearly have chemistry, which is no surprised given their long history. We talk about players developing chemistry with each other but often overlook the chemistry between player and coach. And when you look at it like that, perhaps that makes it less "weird"? DeLeon is another example. They have a history and with that history comes chemistry. No surprise then that Nick has done so well with Toronto, arguably playing some of the best soccer of his career. He scored 10 goals across 39 games in all competitions last season, both career highs. Edited July 17, 2020 by Obinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, Colliedor said: I'm not Delgado's biggest fan at times, but yesterday I would cut him some slack. He did not look like he had the legs for go a whole half. He looked done in the first imo. He was not high pressing like he normally would and showed lack of urgency. The lack of rest could've played a part here. Then Vanney should have started Fraser, Deleon, Nelsen, Shaff, Okello, Gallardo etc, juggled his line up a bit and slot in whichever one he wanted. Stubborn on his part not to rotate or trust any other player than his core 14. Except he throws Dorsey on for a run and not Okello or Nelsen. Ughhh.   Obinna, Who does Deleon have history with?? Vanney was long gone at DC when Deleon started there. Deleon is a good player, he can REALLY, play defensivly and on offensive and brings a scoring threat.  Not just "I run around alot and play tidy quick back passes". You wont hear me complain about Deleon.  Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Then Vanney should have started Fraser, Deleon, Nelsen, Shaff, Okello, Gallardo etc, juggled his line up a bit and slot in whichever one he wanted. Stubborn on his part not to rotate or trust any other player than his core 14. Except he throws Dorsey on for a run and not Okello or Nelsen. Ughhh.   Obinna, Who does Deleon have history with?? Vanney was long gone at DC when Deleon started there. Deleon is a good player, he can REALLY, play defensivly and on offensive and brings a scoring threat.  Not just "I run around alot and play tidy quick back passes". You wont hear me complain about Deleon.  The connection goes back to Arizona. Both men come from the area and crossed paths, although I can't recall exactly what the history is, unfortunately. It was discussed when Nick first signed with Toronto. Edited July 17, 2020 by Obinna Nate3322 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I really wish Fraser would convert to CB. We are spoiled for options in central mid. Fraser has all the attributes needed to be an excellent CB. Corazon, Addona and Shway 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: I really wish Fraser would convert to CB. We are spoiled for options in central mid. Fraser has all the attributes needed to be an excellent CB. Me too , but then where would Zavaleta play? baulderdash77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 3 hours ago, BrennanFan said: I really wish Fraser would convert to CB. We are spoiled for options in central mid. Fraser has all the attributes needed to be an excellent CB. All the attributes except pace. Mikmacdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 I really think he should leave TFC. He's 22 and the Cap is killing his career. DM / CM is one of the most influential positions and it makes sense for the club to put a DP there. He'll never get meaningful minutes without a serious injury or suspension of Bradley. Not saying the club is treating him unfairly or whatever, but at 22 he should be playing week-in week-out and growing into that leadership position. Lansdude, Shway, Stryker911 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, shamrock said: I really think he should leave TFC. He's 22 and the Cap is killing his career. DM / CM is one of the most influential positions and it makes sense for the club to put a DP there. He'll never get meaningful minutes without a serious injury or suspension of Bradley. Not saying the club is treating him unfairly or whatever, but at 22 he should be playing week-in week-out and growing into that leadership position. Agreed. Either in the MLS or in Europe at a level where he can get meaningful minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 hours ago, An Observer said: Agreed. Either in the MLS or in Europe at a level where he can get meaningful minutes Also for TFC, if he'd get a loan deal or something they could benefit as well. This situation isn't good for anybody. Surely some lower half Danish topflight team could use a player with his skillset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Ironic he would be fantastic for the caps. shamrock, N1ckbr0wn and Kadenge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club Linesman Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Evidently he wants out on loan.  Had enough of watching Bradley play every minute of every game.  Heard his dad played in Scotland and he wants to go there to get some playing time. Kent, king1010, Lansdude and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Seriously, get this kid away from TFC already, they're wrecking his career.  Bdog, Nate3322, TOcanadafan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoaleks Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Every touch tonight was butter Proper Talent so pure - wasted playing garbage time minutes Too good for those minutes sebdeserio, TOcanadafan, toontownman and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reign Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 How long does his contract go ? If he doesn’t get a loan can he leave on a feee anytime soon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I think he’s outta contract at the end of this year I believe.... but knowing mls there could be a hidden option year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Only played about 10 minutes but his quality is evident. Love watching this guy play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 We will see Liam play more minutes as this season progresses TFC will have plenty of games to play and bradleym cannot play every minute so There is a chamnce I hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, gigi riva said: We will see Liam play more minutes as this season progresses TFC will have plenty of games to play and bradleym cannot play every minute so There is a chamnce I hope But Bradley wants to play every minute and Vanney is not going to sub him out gator and Bison44 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, gigi riva said: We will see Liam play more minutes as this season progresses TFC will have plenty of games to play and bradleym cannot play every minute so There is a chamnce I hope We all said the same thing last year. Lansdude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) I really like Fraser, and I think it is in his best interest to look for a way out of Toronto, but I don't think he did anything particularly noteworthy last night. He was his typical self, clean and dependable on the ball, showing off his range of passing, etc. Nothing more, nothing less. I know we are frustrated he is not a starter on this team, but do we need to over-inflate his performances now to prove a point? Toronto are one of the best teams in Major League Soccer. Good players are going to be left on the bench. It is what it is. There is no shame in it. Yes, there is a risk of it stunting his development, of course, but he is playing well so no evidence of that yet, fortunately. Edited August 19, 2020 by Obinna Floortom, Shway, Ruffian and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 This player deserves a shot somewhere. I don't want to start some debate about leagues but I'll just say, I think he would do well in many leagues in Europe Obinna and Lansdude 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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