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1 hour ago, sting said:

That is hilarious. Dangerous for them but not the players or Edmonton who showed video clips of the game.

If safety is the reason then this is going to become a regular thing: whenever there is lightning, they will pack up and leave.

A couple of questions though:

Why was it safe during the two hours they stayed, which happens to be the time when the match was expected to be played?

Why didn't they stay when the match started so that they could start broadcasting again if at some point it became safe to do so?

Perhaps somebody who uses twitter could ask these questions so that we can all be amused by the answers (which are not likely to be forthcoming).

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8 minutes ago, Lofty said:

If safety is the reason then this is going to become a regular thing: whenever there is lightning, they will pack up and leave.

A couple of questions though:

Why was it safe during the two hours they stayed, which happens to be the time when the match was expected to be played?

Why didn't they stay when the match started so that they could start broadcasting again if at some point it became safe to do so?

Perhaps somebody who uses twitter could ask these questions so that we can all be amused by the answers (which are not likely to be forthcoming).

Typical childish @Lofty post. Another one to block in due time sadly. 

All I can say is this: I have received answers from one soccer service within 20 minutes, extremely fast. Implying that they don't respond is  simply false and fits into the infantile narrative we are seeing here all too often. 

If the equipment was damaged in the rain, for example, or if there was risk of damage which connecting it would have exacerbated, that is why it was possibly not safe. In any case, your questions are premised on lies. No one said it was safe in the rain but not after, that is simply stupid. 

The real question I have is why the CPL cannot create minimum conditions at their stadiums as a basic minimum requirement so that they can be broadcasted? Of why is FCE so damn cheap that they'll take MedioPro money, in the millions but not spend a few thousand to properly protect electronic broadcasting equipment from a rainstorm.

If it is easy to say you'll quit One Soccer for an error, just be consistent and stop paying for tickets to games at a club that mistreats fans so blatantly and cheaply.

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3 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Especially when it comes to having a covered press box in a stadium from where to call a match. Does Clarke have such facilities?

 

They do have a press box, nothing fancy though.

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1 hour ago, CDNFootballer said:

They do have a press box, nothing fancy though.

Well I guess it is just that backwater called Edmonton, where they can take money invested from the other side of the world but are too cheap to spend it properly on decent facilities? Is that what you are all saying?

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20 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

The real question I have is why the CPL cannot create minimum conditions at their stadiums as a basic minimum requirement so that they can be broadcasted? Of why is FCE so damn cheap that they'll take MedioPro money, in the millions but not spend a few thousand to properly protect electronic broadcasting equipment from a rainstorm.

This is a worker safety issue. Other teams in North America face similar conditions and they continue to broadcast but that is up to teams and MediaPro to work together to ensure safe working conditions.

 

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1 hour ago, ted said:

This is a worker safety issue. Other teams in North America face similar conditions and they continue to broadcast but that is up to teams and MediaPro to work together to ensure safe working conditions.
 

I am just reacting to people overstating the situation. 

Clearly the CPL has to do a better job overall ensuring minimums across the league. They have come a long way, on a lot of levels, and I am sure after a few months, and a first season, they will have learnt a lot. 

I just hope that MediaPro, with their vast experience, is able to come in next November and say to the clubs: "Look, we have to raise some standards in broadcast quality, and you clubs have to do your part."

As I see it, we need to ensure quality camera angles, not that low one at Pacific, which I find the worst. We need to ensure worker safety and quality of conditions to broadcast, meaning being covered and, preferably, in an enclosed cabin. If you want crowd noise, mike it separately (which they clearly do in some cases, York9 comes across very loud even with there are a dozen supporters there). The whole question of unifying colours in stadiums can be worked on more, although they have done some work there. We also have to ensure that what the camera angle sees are fans in seats. It makes no sense for Hamilton to sell upper tier, that is plain dumb. And of course York9 needs a lot of work in that regard. 

Then MediaPro has to ensure simultaneous broadcasts, that half-time shows may break for not just one game but multtiple (even if the main studio is doing mostly one, or if one game gets a pitch-side commentary instead of a studio analysis). We need almost immediate highlight reels, within an hour ideally, or less. The web has to more clear state what is available as it is not clear, especially after live matches finish. They have to diversify their reporters as some are real bores and total duds. If they are going to be offering some key matchups to foreign markets, they need to use that to upscale values, stadium by stadium and club by club. Many of us are still a bit lost as to where to look for what. 

The product on the pitch is a great surprise. The reffing has been solid, happy to say, I think it is in there with other leagues (comme si, comme ça is a universal standard in reffing). I think OneSoccer has also done a good job, considering limited lead time and experience. For me the piece that is weakest in CPL is fan support, I'd like to see another 30% more fans in the weaker stadiums next season.

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7 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

I am just reacting to people overstating the situation. 

Clearly the CPL has to do a better job overall ensuring minimums across the league. They have come a long way, on a lot of levels, and I am sure after a few months, and a first season, they will have learnt a lot. 

I just hope that MediaPro, with their vast experience, is able to come in next November and say to the clubs: "Look, we have to raise some standards in broadcast quality, and you clubs have to do your part."

As I see it, we need to ensure quality camera angles, not that low one at Pacific, which I find the worst. We need to ensure worker safety and quality of conditions to broadcast, meaning being covered and, preferably, in an enclosed cabin. If you want crowd noise, mike it separately (which they clearly do in some cases, York9 comes across very loud even with there are a dozen supporters there). The whole question of unifying colours in stadiums can be worked on more, although they have done some work there. We also have to ensure that what the camera angle sees are fans in seats. It makes no sense for Hamilton to sell upper tier, that is plain dumb. And of course York9 needs a lot of work in that regard. 

Then MediaPro has to ensure simultaneous broadcasts, that half-time shows may break for not just one game but multtiple (even if the main studio is doing mostly one, or if one game gets a pitch-side commentary instead of a studio analysis). We need almost immediate highlight reels, within an hour ideally, or less. The web has to more clear state what is available as it is not clear, especially after live matches finish. They have to diversify their reporters as some are real bores and total duds. If they are going to be offering some key matchups to foreign markets, they need to use that to upscale values, stadium by stadium and club by club. Many of us are still a bit lost as to where to look for what. 

The product on the pitch is a great surprise. The reffing has been solid, happy to say, I think it is in there with other leagues (comme si, comme ça is a universal standard in reffing). I think OneSoccer has also done a good job, considering limited lead time and experience. For me the piece that is weakest in CPL is fan support, I'd like to see another 30% more fans in the weaker stadiums next season.

I would add media coverage as well to your last point. 

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5 minutes ago, narduch said:

I would add media coverage as well to your last point. 

You mean a press department able to ensure media coverage? 

I have not really been atttuned to this, but do see articles on Pacific FC in the Times Colonist, which is pleasing. 

Could anyone say what the media support has been for each club in terms of:

-print newspapers with online 

-local radio programs, and even broadcasts

-local tv coverage

-presence of team on larger affiliates and national media outlets

-specialised sports webs, soccer webs, podcasts

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I sort of meant Mainstream media coverage.

But that isn't really something the league can control.

In the Toronto area York9 are nearly non-existent.

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8 minutes ago, narduch said:

I sort of meant Mainstream media coverage.

But that isn't really something the league can control.

In the Toronto area York9 are nearly non-existent.

I think that was perfectly predictable, it is clearly lost in the overall media landscape. 

The same could happen in Montreal, but with Laval being across the river, you may have some clearer separation and get some coverage that way. The same could be predicted for a team in the Fraser Valley, Surrey. I would suspect a Laval or Surrey team would do slightly better than York9 in terms of what you are talking about, but would be faced with similar problems. 

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2 hours ago, ted said:

This is a worker safety issue. Other teams in North America face similar conditions and they continue to broadcast but that is up to teams and MediaPro to work together to ensure safe working conditions.

With reports that they left 10 minutes before the players were back on the pitch, and players don't return to the pitch until there's been 30 minutes without lightening ... then how would it be a worker safety issue?

A "nothing was working any more" issue or a miscommunication would sound more likely.

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My biggest ask for Onesoccer would be for same day replays. I have young children, so I often can't watch afternoon games live (or even the beginning of a 7pm kick off), but after the kids are in bed at 8 or 8:30 is the perfect time for me to watch a game. With TFC games I record it on my PVR and watch as soon as I can, even if the game is still in progress I start from the beginning. But for CPL games it never seems to be available until the next day. Over the weekend I wanted to watch the York 9 game, but it wasn't available. The halftime show for the game was available, but not the game. I checked back hours later and still only the half time show, not the game.

So as a result I have to be in blackout mode, avoiding the CPL website, app, and any forums on here related to the league or teams I want to watch, until after I watch it the following evening. This week I watched Sunday's game on Monday evening, and Wednesday's game on Thursday evening, even though I would have had time to watch it on the same day if it was available.

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The truth about why 1S quit recording the FCE vs. Valour match finally comes out on the match day thread. The broadcast truck was needed in Toronto and had to leave or it would not have arrived in time. @MrsC has kindly provided the relevant tweets.

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18 minutes ago, Lofty said:

The truth about why 1S quit recording the FCE vs. Valour match finally comes out on the match day thread. The broadcast truck was needed in Toronto and had to leave or it would not have arrived in time. @MrsC has kindly provided the relevant tweets.

OK, that is ********. 

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I'm not getting this.  Wednesday's match would normally have been called and re-scheduled looong before anyone would give a hoot about where truck X has to be at location Y by Z o'clock.

Hands up, lots of footie people on here who've been to lots of footie matches over the years.  Anyone sit through a 3 hour delay to have the match taken up again?  Ever? 

Yeah, I didn't think so.

(disclaimer.  OK, I seem to recall being at an MSA Cup match that was delayed then restarted and played without a half time break ONCE a million years ago, because of, and the threat of, thunderstorms but that was a million years ago. But the point still stands).

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Cheeta said:

I'm not getting this.  Wednesday's match would normally have been called and re-scheduled looong before anyone would give a hoot about where truck X has to be at location Y by Z o'clock.

Hands up, lots of footie people on here who've been to lots of footie matches over the years.  Anyone sit through a 3 hour delay to have the match taken up again?  Ever? 

Yeah, I didn't think so.

(disclaimer.  OK, I seem to recall being at an MSA Cup match that was delayed then restarted and played without a half time break ONCE a million years ago, because of, and the threat of, thunderstorms but that was a million years ago. But the point still stands).

I was at the Canada 2 Hondurass 1 friendly in Montreal in 2010 where there was a lengthy thunderstorm delay. Not 3 hours but possibly an hour.

The camera crew did not bolt once the scheduled 2 hrs had elapsed.

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Honestly, I'm not sure what time they buggered off at.  Don't think it was THAT LATE but don't think they pulled the plug at 9 PM either.  And not to labour the point, but no one knew if that match was going to get taken up again.  Could just as easily not been played regardless of the CPL's wishes.

Do know this.  If that crew is needed in Toronto this weekend its because they need it for the Forge-Valour match on Saturday.  Other fixtures are in Calgary and Van Isle and since I expect MediaPro doesn't have more than 3 crews for a 7 team league.... 

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12 minutes ago, Cheeta said:

Honestly, I'm not sure what time they buggered off at.  Don't think it was THAT LATE but don't think they pulled the plug at 9 PM either.  And not to labour the point, but no one knew if that match was going to get taken up again.  Could just as easily not been played regardless of the CPL's wishes.

Do know this.  If that crew is needed in Toronto this weekend its because they need it for the Forge-Valour match on Saturday.  Other fixtures are in Calgary and Van Isle and since I expect MediaPro doesn't have more than 3 crews for a 7 team league.... 

Yes, but in terms of overall investment it is minor, it is pretty ridiculous to have to drive a vehicle from Edmonton to Toronto.

Just outsource and get your service from local or regional providers.

Or have more vehicles, as a fixed cost, and if that seems like an excess layout let them do the odd League One match or similar. Hell, I would even watch University soccer playoffs in Canada, or the national amateur championship, that would be really cool. 

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22 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Well I guess it is just that backwater called Edmonton, where they can take money invested from the other side of the world but are too cheap to spend it properly on decent facilities? Is that what you are all saying?

They're not Langford, who's spent $ for a decent facility for Pacific FC with nice grandstands/suites added etc.

Clark Stadium is one of the most basic and lesser stadiums in the CPL, not sure when the city will ever spend for serious upgrades.

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Just now, CDNFootballer said:

They're not Langford, who's spent $ for a decent facility for Pacific FC with nice grandstands/suites added etc.

Clark Stadium is one of the most basic and lesser stadiums in the CPL, not sure when the city will ever spend for serious upgrades.

I'm just trash talking, of course, so sorry for that. 

Just pisses me off that folks following the Eddies can be so hard on OneSoccer, who have been in the city all of 6 times, while letting the entire political and economic establishment off the hook for being satisfied with such mediocre facilities--and then blaming a mobile broadcast crew instead of looking at themselves. Bush league mentality.

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Well with two big games tonight at the same time, I learned why it's called "One Soccer" and not "Two Soccer". I tried watching the York 9 vs Montreal game on my desktop while having the HFX Wanderers vs Ottawa game on my phone. It didn't go well. The desktop kept losing the feed. My wife tweeted One Soccer about the problems watching the game and they informed us that they don't support 2 devices at the same time. Their first question was whether we had given our credentials out to anyone else, which we haven't.

So after having problems in the first half I turned off my phone for the second half.

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1 hour ago, Kent said:

Well with two big games tonight at the same time, I learned why it's called "One Soccer" and not "Two Soccer". I tried watching the York 9 vs Montreal game on my desktop while having the HFX Wanderers vs Ottawa game on my phone. It didn't go well. The desktop kept losing the feed. My wife tweeted One Soccer about the problems watching the game and they informed us that they don't support 2 devices at the same time. Their first question was whether we had given our credentials out to anyone else, which we haven't.

So after having problems in the first half I turned off my phone for the second half.

I watched both games on my desktop with no problem.

What can I tell ya!

 

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1 hour ago, Lofty said:

That is one device!

Yes it is! That's my point. Kent could have done the same thing and watched both games at the same time as I did, on a desktop! One log in. One device. Multiple feeds!

 

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