Norrin Radd Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 hours ago, The Real Marc said: Shankland too went from successful in Scotland to iffy Belgium and hastily back. I'm looking at Shankland's stats, and it appears that he was quite prolific in the lower divisions in Scotland, but he only scored at a rate of one goal every 340 minutes in the SPL during the 20/21 season. The following year in Belgium, he was scoring at a rate of one goal every 360 minutes. That's not a huge drop. It could bode well for Bair if he were to make a similar move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Im think Championship would be a great landing spot Borjans Sweatpants and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GasPed Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 26 minutes ago, Norrin Radd said: I'm looking at Shankland's stats, and it appears that he was quite prolific in the lower divisions in Scotland, but he only scored at a rate of one goal every 340 minutes in the SPL during the 20/21 season. The following year in Belgium, he was scoring at a rate of one goal every 360 minutes. That's not a huge drop. It could bode well for Bair if he were to make a similar move. That's a good point, but it's also true that Shankland has lit up the SPL after his return in 2022/23 (1G/126 min) and now 2023/24 (1G/138 min). Which seems to indicate that the grass is indeed greener in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diego Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I think there's still a lot of mystery as to what Bair's true level is. While I understand the argument to staying at Motherwell as it is the only place he has achieved professional stability and success, I would like to see him move somewhere so that we can get a better idea of what level he can play at Obinna, An Observer and Corazon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 While part of me feels another year at Motherwell would be good for him, he's also 24 going on 25. Not terribly old by any means, but maybe his age factors into things? Corazon and An Observer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I have seen both Bair and Shankland play (Shankland more so). I would take Shankland over Bair all day…that’s not to say that Bair couldn’t be good someday. GasPed, Unnamed Trialist, The Real Marc and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRo_Is_King Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I think he needs to stay with Motherwell for another season. Yes. There is a risk it could backfire if his production goes down, but he has found a home there. With another stellar season, I could see him making a big move. toontownman, costarg, Corazon and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 He would be smart to leverage this into a longer contract at Motherwell if possible. Remember - even Marcus Haber had a great half-season in the Scottish Premier League. Corazon, nolando, yothat2 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norrin Radd Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 hours ago, GasPed said: That's a good point, but it's also true that Shankland has lit up the SPL after his return in 2022/23 (1G/126 min) and now 2023/24 (1G/138 min). Which seems to indicate that the grass is indeed greener in Scotland. I wasn't suggesting that the two leagues are equal in level, but I don't think the gap is large enough to be a major barrier if he were to make a move this summer to either Belgium or a similar level. If Bair was a couple of years younger, I wouldn't mind seeing him continue in Scotland for another year, but given his age, I would hope he'd challenge himself to a higher level sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 From what I gather, salaries at Motherwell are low. Would he even be making 200k a year? I would think that if Motherwell gets a decent offer they'd sell (say a million, a bit more), and Bair would have to consider a contract offer doubling his current salary. Over and above whether it would be good or not for him to stay there. I think it would not, I think it is just the sort of season to move up from. johnyb, Kadenge, narduch and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Unnamed Trialist said: From what I gather, salaries at Motherwell are low. Would he even be making 200k a year? I would think that if Motherwell gets a decent offer they'd sell (say a million, a bit more), and Bair would have to consider a contract offer doubling his current salary. Over and above whether it would be good or not for him to stay there. I think it would not, I think it is just the sort of season to move up from. Quite possible, but I just don't see it happening with MLS and TFC in particular. Unnamed Trialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, BearcatSA said: Quite possible, but I just don't see it happening with MLS and TFC in particular. For me, after the top 4-5 in Scotland it is too much of a crap shoot. You can't rely on having continuity because teams are so terribly inconsistent. I mean, if he went to Hearts or Hibs, he's earn more, and they are more ambitious. But that is it. If any of the Old Firm pick up Shankland, or he moves elsewhere, Bair'd be a good replacement. For salary, for his career, though I really have no idea how Hearts play. The Real Marc, GasPed and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Unfortunately, I don't think he can be picky about what is the right fit. His salary from what I found is 600 per week. Which is well below even MLS minimum. Most teams in League 2 pay more than Motherwell. GasPed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 5 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: For me, after the top 4-5 in Scotland it is too much of a crap shoot. You can't rely on having continuity because teams are so terribly inconsistent. I mean, if he went to Hearts or Hibs, he's earn more, and they are more ambitious. But that is it. If any of the Old Firm pick up Shankland, or he moves elsewhere, Bair'd be a good replacement. For salary, for his career, though I really have no idea how Hearts play. Shankland will probably move on. He would likely triple his wages at Hearts but I can’t see us going for him. I think the club would go for someone with a longer proven track record. cronaldo7 and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Ah its the changing of the seasons, spring is in the air, a young mans fancy turns to love and V's are clamoring for a guy who just got on track after years of struggling.. to transfer out of the good situation he has gotten himself into. dyslexic nam, The Real Marc and costarg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bison44 said: Ah its the changing of the seasons, spring is in the air, a young mans fancy turns to love and V's are clamoring for a guy who just got on track after years of struggling.. to transfer out of the good situation he has gotten himself into. Well, at least it is a more refreshing angle from the usual "what top five league should he move to next season?" or, new for this year, "he should be in the Copa squad" storyline after a young prospect has had a decent start to his MLS career five or six matches into the season. Edited April 9 by BearcatSA nolando, narduch and Bison44 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I actually don't think a move back to MLS would be the worst thing for him at some point over the next few years. I think he's going to be this generation's version of Lucas Cavalini- bench striker with a unique profile that you toss in the game when you don't have much else going on. I would prefer he doesn't take a spot on a Canadian team, but if a good US MLS team can grab him, that wouldn't be the worst outcome. Liel Abada of Celtic was just sold to Charlotte for like $9M or something. If Nashville or Orlando or someone comes calling, why not? Obinna and Corazon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 If I am Bair I am going for the biggest paycheck - wherever it is. He isn’t clearly destined for the big time and is already 24. As noted above it looks like he is making around $50-$60,000 CAD per year. He needs to get paid as much as he can as soon as he can. It is easy for us to map out a solid developmental career path but he’s got bills to pay. Grab whatever cash you can man. Corazon, cronaldo7, Borjans Sweatpants and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 20 hours ago, JamboAl said: Shankland will probably move on. He would likely triple his wages at Hearts but I can’t see us going for him. I think the club would go for someone with a longer proven track record. If a club like Hearts wants to see more from Bair before moving in, that probably suggests he needs another year at Motherwell. Yes, to Nam's point, you get a solid offer and you go, but he probably needs another year before other clubs come calling. His contract expires at the end of next season, so I expect Motherwell will do what they can to retain him, assuming they stay up. That should hopefully result in a significant pay raise. https://www.transfermarkt.us/theo-bair/profil/spieler/501709 Borjans Sweatpants, johnyb, Corazon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I assume contract talks open in May. If he keeps scoring until the end of the season, and during Betfred cup and first games of August, could see them trying to cash in if he’s not staying. But clubs will likely need to see more than 14 weeks of form. BearcatSA, Corazon, JamboAl and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Unnamed Trialist, K Edgar, Jack1997 and 18 others 19 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Wow - that’s really something. Definitely wasn’t on anyone’s bingo card for this season. Corazon, costarg, dyslexic nam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 No idea if he manages to crack our squad as a fringe player for the games coming up but I really hope we can find some way to get him involved in the next 6 months or so. His play really does deserve some sort of acknowledgement and reward at the national level. Corazon, costarg, h coach and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, dyslexic nam said: No idea if he manages to crack our squad as a fringe player for the games coming up but I really hope we can find some way to get him involved in the next 6 months or so. His play really does deserve some sort of acknowledgement and reward at the national level. I would be floored if he isn’t in our squad. I think he’s locked down the 3rd striker spot for the friendlies. Fun to even have a debate about it though. Couldn’t imagine hearing in 2014 that a striker in the SPL team of the year “might” get called. Edited April 20 by CanadaFan123 WestHamCanadianinOxford, costarg, dyslexic nam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 18 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: I would be floored if he isn’t in our squad. I think he’s locked down the 3rd striker spot for the friendlies. Fun to even have a debate about it though. Couldn’t imagine hearing in 2014 that a striker in the SPL team of the year “might” get called. What stands out for me - while I'd have to go back and check the videos, but if my 50yr old memory serves me correctly - a lot of his goals weren't goal-mouth tap-ins. He really worked to earn them and showed quality to bag them. He's making things happen, players around him believe in him and he believes in himself. That's way more valuable than easy tap-ins. A lot like Kone. CB's must hate to play against this guy. Not only is he pretty quick, tricky and a goal threat, but he'll also pound and grind the shit out of you. Edited April 20 by costarg CanadaFan123 and dyslexic nam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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