prairiecanuck Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 39 minutes ago, PastPros said: Subbed out at 27th min. Part of an early double substitution. Never a good look I was thinking he was injured when I saw he was subbed off. Addona and canuckgbp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 It was 0-0 at the time of the subs so definitely an odd one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Apparently Ismael is on the brink of getting sacked. Probably had a lot to do with him making two very early subs today: https://x.com/talksport/status/1761489740686065903?s=46&t=spIaqlQfufAO3HreB1455Q canuckgbp, johnyb, toontownman and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 So Kone could have a 4th mgr in under 2 seasons at Watford!!! That's an insane turnover for a young player. canuckgbp, narduch, johnyb and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver 2.0 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 If he can thrive despite all the turmoil, then just imagine what he might do in a functional/healthy set-up. (Or, maybe he thrives in tumultuous environments.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, InglewoodJack said: Apparently Ismael is on the brink of getting sacked. Probably had a lot to do with him making two very early subs today: https://x.com/talksport/status/1761489740686065903?s=46&t=spIaqlQfufAO3HreB1455Q I read a couple game reports, and the fans were all nervous and even booing by m. 25 because the team was playing horizontal, making back passes, side to side, and not going forward in that proverbial "exciting" way fans of Championship adore. You have got to be a poor fanbase if that is the level, but fans can do want they want, I guess. Only a manager should frigging ignore them. Then they went up, and only fell apart late (maybe because they were afraid to control the game via horizontal and back passes). I mean, fine, you are not doing well in the table, but you are tied mid first half and the fans are booing because they want you to throw yourself recklessly forward like the rest of mid-table headless chicken teams in Championship? It is very poor of a manager to take players off before m. 30, it is very bad faith; he is basically saying he has no game plan, has no faith in his own decisions, chose a wrong starting 11--and pretty well knew it from the start. king1010, Acid-Tone, PastPros and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Mods...can we introduce an eye roll reaction? Ivan and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said: I read a couple game reports, and the fans were all nervous and even booing by m. 25 because the team was playing horizontal, making back passes, side to side, and not going forward in that proverbial "exciting" way fans of Championship adore. You have got to be a poor fanbase if that is the level, but fans can do want they want, I guess. Only a manager should frigging ignore them. Then they went up, and only fell apart late (maybe because they were afraid to control the game via horizontal and back passes). I mean, fine, you are not doing well in the table, but you are tied mid first half and the fans are booing because they want you to throw yourself recklessly forward like the rest of mid-table headless chicken teams in Championship? It is very poor of a manager to take players off before m. 30, it is very bad faith; he is basically saying he has no game plan, has no faith in his own decisions, chose a wrong starting 11--and pretty well knew it from the start. Lets be fair: making that detailed a judgement and condemnation of a fanbase based reading "a couple game reports" is pretty silly. I don't agree with a lot of what Watford do and certainly not the manager panicking (seemingly). But the reason the fans are upset and got restless is not primarly because of style of play (whatever preconceived notions we have). It is because they are 21st in the form table and have almost completely taken themselves out playoff contention since the beginning of the year. Since then they have only won against a non-league side in the cup, as well as relegation contenders QPR and Rotherham (the latter seemingly nailed-on to go down). They have a talent level much above that level but show it only in fits and spurts and rarely let managers stay long enough to put any kind of stamp on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 3 hours ago, Kadenge said: So Kone could have a 4th mgr in under 2 seasons at Watford!!! That's an insane turnover for a young player. Unfortunately not insane for Watford. It's like they have a competition with Sunderland for most managers they can sack. Addona, Kadenge and WestHamCanadianinOxford 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 12 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Lets be fair: making that detailed a judgement and condemnation of a fanbase based reading "a couple game reports" is pretty silly. I don't agree with a lot of what Watford do and certainly not the manager panicking (seemingly). But the reason the fans are upset and got restless is not primarly because of style of play (whatever preconceived notions we have). It is because they are 21st in the form table and have almost completely taken themselves out playoff contention since the beginning of the year. Since then they have only won against a non-league side in the cup, as well as relegation contenders QPR and Rotherham (the latter seemingly nailed-on to go down). They have a talent level much above that level but show it only in fits and spurts and rarely let managers stay long enough to put any kind of stamp on the team. A couple of game reports from reliable sources, corroborated by everyone there, are not "silly". What is silly is to deny it. It is also silly to argue that in a tie match at m. 25, the fans booing and jeering the team is because they are getting bad results. A draw m. 25 is not a bad result: it was because of the style of play. As for fans and local press and even owners being delusional about what a team should or could be doing, welcome to the club. 2nd tiers in England, Germany and Spain are full of teams who feel they have no business not being in top flight, and get nervous about pretty well everything. This is the first I read, which they softened from yesterday's version which described the crowd unrest and, as this does, "the chorus of boos", from silly BBC. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68324101 "It was more than (disappointing) - I understand completely the frustration of our fans," Ismael told BBC Three Counties Radio. "We tried to have an impact on the game (by making a double substitution after 26 minutes) but actually I could have changed all the players. It's difficult to explain because believe me it was not the game plan. "We cannot explain why we struggle like that at home. I am accountable as a coach for the performance but the players are responsible for their own performance. "Sometimes you cannot explain. You stand on the sideline and see exactly what you have to do. Nobody wanted to take responsibility with the ball. You don't want to make a mistake but you end up making one anyway and you build the momentum of the opponent. "Today is just the mental side, it's not physical, it's not technical. We needed to step up and we didn't. "I expected more, the fans expected more, I think the players themselves expected more. Today we accept all the criticism we get from the fans." Edited February 25 by Unnamed Trialist WestHamCanadianinOxford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said: A couple of game reports from reliable sources, corroborated by everyone there, are not "silly". What is silly is to deny it. It is also silly to argue that in a tie match at m. 25, the fans booing and jeering the team is because they are getting bad results. A draw m. 25 is not a bad result: it was because of the style of play. This is the first I read, which they softened from yesterday's version which described the crowd unrest and, as this does, "the chorus of boos", from silly BBC. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68324101 "It was more than (disappointing) - I understand completely the frustration of our fans," Ismael told BBC Three Counties Radio. "We tried to have an impact on the game (by making a double substitution after 26 minutes) but actually I could have changed all the players. It's difficult to explain because believe me it was not the game plan. "We cannot explain why we struggle like that at home. I am accountable as a coach for the performance but the players are responsible for their own performance. "Sometimes you cannot explain. You stand on the sideline and see exactly what you have to do. Nobody wanted to take responsibility with the ball. You don't want to make a mistake but you end up making one anyway and you build the momentum of the opponent. "Today is just the mental side, it's not physical, it's not technical. We needed to step up and we didn't. "I expected more, the fans expected more, I think the players themselves expected more. Today we accept all the criticism we get from the fans." Yes that says the fans got upset because they were... 😄 15 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: playing horizontal, making back passes, side to side, and not going forward in that proverbial "exciting" way fans of Championship adore. You have got to be a poor fanbase if that is the level, but fans can do want they want, I guess. . Your biases are your biases. Reading them into match reports (while not watching) and misrepresenting them on a forum, is - yes - silly...at best. They were underperforming, the fans express their displeasure, and the manager panicked (my opinion) probably partially because how poor Watford are at handling their employees, on field and off. Edited February 25 by WestHamCanadianinOxford gator and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueseeka Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 My first thought was an injury when I saw the switch so early So at least he is not injured king1010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueseeka Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Moved to the bench after getting pulled early in last game costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, blueseeka said: Moved to the bench after getting pulled early in last game I kind of wondered if that would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1973 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: I kind of wondered if that would happen. The other guy that was pulled early with him last week started today. I think Kone was in bench cause he got pissed and walked down the tunnel after the sub. dyslexic nam and DeRo_Is_King 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Watford may be ridiculous, but this is the norm for Ismael though. He's intense, fairly one-note both on and off the field, and quickly exhausts his welcome with players, club leadership, or both. nolando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Joe1973 said: The other guy that was pulled early with him last week started today. I think Kone was in bench cause he got pissed and walked down the tunnel after the sub. I woud've too. The coach is admitting his own mistakes if he makes a double switch midway through the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On the bench again at home to Swansea narduch and costarg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/2/2024 at 1:30 PM, The Real Marc said: Watford may be ridiculous, but this is the norm for Ismael though. He's intense, fairly one-note both on and off the field, and quickly exhausts his welcome with players, club leadership, or both. So he’s Hernan Losada? DeRo_Is_King and costarg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: On the bench again at home to Swansea subbed on at half-time GasPed, costarg, johnyb and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Another new manager. johnyb, Corazon, GasPed and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Saputo must be jealous. Kent, johnyb, grigorio and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 5/10/2023 at 2:19 PM, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: His longest job has been 50 games. Should fit in well. My post when Valérien Ismaël was hired, possibly my least insightful prediction ever. NVsoccer, yomurphy1, InglewoodJack and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) Beginning, for Kone, of the (interim) Cleverly. The latter was a good pro when playing, easy to cheer for. They are on the back foot so far in Birmingham though. Edit: Went 79' in what looked like - from half-watching - a scappy 0-1 win away. Need some of those. Edited March 16 by WestHamCanadianinOxford johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckia Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) Coming on at 58 minutes v Leeds. The game is on DAZN Edited March 29 by Canuckia narduch, Corazon, PegCityCam and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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