Obinna Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 No more MLS teams in USOC? Shameful decision and dangerous precedent for world football. Olympique_de_Marseille 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/17/mlss-decision-to-withdraw-from-us-open-cup-is-about-controlling-messi-mania fil and kacbru 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fil Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Who does US soccer think they are!? Don't they know... narduch and BearcatSA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 8 hours ago, Obinna said: No more MLS teams in USOC? Shameful decision and dangerous precedent for world football. I doubt it's a precedent for world football. Man U pulled out of the FA Cup once two decades ago, there was a ton of outrage, and I don't think any club has tried that since. I think some of this is the North American mentality across sports of "only the playoff Cup matters". Regular season champion? Doesn't matter. Only the "Cup" (be it Stanley, MLS, Super Bowl, etc) matters. Which is a shame, because the Open Cup does mean something to at least some clubs. It meant something to Houston this year. I remembering hearing that Minnesota was actively trying to win it. I remember Seattle taking it very seriously in their early years - winning it was their gateway to instilling a winning mentality in the organization. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Watchmen said: I think some of this is the North American mentality across sports of "only the playoff Cup matters". Regular season champion? Doesn't matter. Only the "Cup" (be it Stanley, MLS, Super Bowl, etc) matters. That mentality isn't changing anytime soon. The Lakers were getting derided in the media for putting up a banner for winning the first ever in-season NBA tourney. dyslexic nam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, BearcatSA said: That mentality isn't changing anytime soon. The Lakers were getting derided in the media for putting up a banner for winning the first ever in-season NBA tourney. Agreed. But that's why I think MLS thinks it's easy enough to drop the Open Cup. But interesting that the media is deriding them for putting up a banner, since ratings for the in-season tournament were up over regular games and players were apparently in to it. I'm not an NBA fan, so I didn't follow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Obinna said: No more MLS teams in USOC? Shameful decision and dangerous precedent for world football. What an absolute joke. Disgusting. Stuff like this makes it really hard to like MLS. They make absolutely no secret of the fact they don’t take the sport seriously and just want to be a North American big 5 league that monopolizes all competition and competitors. God forbid that little clubs could enrich themselves off MLS clubs/stars once a year… If MLS teams think the schedule is condensed what’s stopping them from just playing their reserves in a first team match? NOTHING. But now if/when an MLS team loses it was officially just their reserves. Cowards. Also, the league brass love “real supporters” but constantly do dumb shit to piss them off. It’s ridiculous. Edited December 18, 2023 by CanadaFan123 Obinna, dyslexic nam and Bison44 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, CanadaFan123 said: What an absolute joke. Disgusting. Stuff like this makes it really hard to like MLS. They make absolutely no secret of the fact they don’t take the sport seriously and just want to be a North American big 5 league that monopolizes all competition and competitors. God forbid that little clubs could enrich themselves off MLS clubs/stars once a year… If MLS teams think the schedule is condensed what’s stopping them from just playing their reserves in a first team match? NOTHING. But now if/when an MLS team loses it was officially just their reserves. Cowards. Also, the league brass love “real supporters” but constantly do dumb shit to piss them off. It’s ridiculous. Hopefully there is enough outcry to make them reverse course. It's such a disastrous decision. They basically want to replace the USOC with Leagues Cup because they control the latter. A lot of talk about fans boycotting Leagues Cup, but I am not confident that will do much of anything. It's just really sad to see this happen. The whole thing just gives me European Super League vibes. The only silver lining is that a USL team could and probably will make it to the Champions Cup, but I am aside from that it's just a complete joke of a decision, one that is about money. I have been caring less about MLS in recent years and this just accelerated the process for me. I will be hoping for Leagues Cup to implode as well. There are so many problems with it but at least most fans were indifferent to it before, now they will be rooting for it's downfall. I know I will be. RJB, MtlMario and dyslexic nam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Obinna said: Hopefully there is enough outcry to make them reverse course. It's such a disastrous decision. They basically want to replace the USOC with Leagues Cup because they control the latter. A lot of talk about fans boycotting Leagues Cup, but I am not confident that will do much of anything. It's just really sad to see this happen. The whole thing just gives me European Super League vibes. The only silver lining is that a USL team could and probably will make it to the Champions Cup, but I am aside from that it's just a complete joke of a decision, one that is about money. I have been caring less about MLS in recent years and this just accelerated the process for me. I will be hoping for Leagues Cup to implode as well. There are so many problems with it but at least most fans were indifferent to it before, now they will be rooting for its downfall. I know I will be. We know that the USOC and Leagues Cup both became hugely relevant last year because of one player. So MLS kneecaps the one that doesn’t benefit them and makes the country’s FA cup the EFL Cup essentially. Where is the USSF in this? Or are they in cahoots? A USL team making the champions league each year helps appease the league and counter the CPL where entrants outnumber MLS teams in Canada. As if MLS cares that they’ll drop from 8 to 7 teams anyhow… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Obinna said: I have been caring less about MLS in recent years and this just accelerated the process for me. If they continue to restrict the number of matches you can watch on other media without the Apple Pass subscription, then that helps, too. rkomar and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 1:03 PM, BearcatSA said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/17/mlss-decision-to-withdraw-from-us-open-cup-is-about-controlling-messi-mania "It is increasingly clear the league treats supporters only as customers. Much of the rest of the world of top-level soccer tries to do the same with various levels of success, but MLS is more flagrant in how it goes about it. MLS guidelines for fans are even called “supporter privileges” as if to present the idea fans should count themselves lucky the league lets them be involved. The truth is, the league is lucky to have fanbases that are so engaged, giving character and life to these single-entity league franchises." Mihairokov, masster, narduch and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 ^ Amen 🙏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ruffian Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) I don't think they want to mention Larin Edit:Has the twitter link rendering stopped or changed? Edited December 19, 2023 by Ruffian Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, narduch said: That's probably a solid hire. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, Ruffian said: I don't think they want to mention Larin https://x.com/MLS/status/1737164914815283227 Edit:Has the twitter link rendering stopped or changed? I think of you replace x with Twitter it still works Ruffian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 USSF rejected allowing MLS Next Pro teams into the Open Cup Unnamed Trialist, Watchmen, Metro and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) Everyone is putting the boots to MLS over this. Just when we thought we had problems up here, they manage to shoot themselves in the foot. Give tactical manager a listen....super nationalistic, Mr Bird droppings will be outraged cause he hates that stuff. Edited December 20, 2023 by Bison44 narduch and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 5 hours ago, narduch said: USSF rejected allowing MLS Next Pro teams into the Open Cup Have heard that the "fall back plan" is allowing more Next Pro call ups for these games. Which should have just been plan A. I guess we'll see if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 https://apnews.com/article/major-league-soccer-us-open-cup-348a6ed3cd623d5e43e9804109c07050 US Soccer says no to a devalued Open Cup fil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 It sounds like MLS expected backlash from hard core fans. What they didn't expect (but got) was backlash from casual fans and media outside of the traditional soccer outlets. https://theathletic.com/5152490/2023/12/20/us-soccer-open-cup-mls-explained?source=user-shared-article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fil Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 narduch and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccMan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Sounds very similar to why the NHL has a hard time sending its players to the Olympics and I think didn’t allow its players to play in the last one . Basically they have no control of revenue and many other aspects when it comes to hockey at the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SoccMan said: Sounds very similar to why the NHL has a hard time sending its players to the Olympics and I think didn’t allow its players to play in the last one . Basically they have no control of revenue and many other aspects when it comes to hockey at the Olympics. Can be one reason. Another is a very high percentage of NHL players would not pass Olympics drug tests. Edited December 21, 2023 by costarg narduch and Unnamed Trialist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, costarg said: Can be one reason. Another is a very high percentage of NHL players would not pass Olympics drug tests. They've literally been 5 times without that being an issue. BearcatSA and rkomar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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