General Discussion on CMNT

[PegCityCam]

21 hours ago, Shway said:

How do I say this nicely. Shut the %#^* up! 😅

It never makes sense to move our best attacker away from the final third. Until guys show that they are better than Davies it’ll make sense.

 Plus everyone knows that Davies isn’t really a good defender. 

Here's another way to say it:

 

[Kadenge]

12 hours ago, PegCityCam said:

Here's another way to say it:

 

there was a time not too long ago when many said it was crazy to even compare Pulisic and Davies. One poster even berated Davies for his poor skill on the ball during his early tenure with VW. Just need to be patient with young players and if they are in the right environment they can reach their ceiling in short order. Obviously Davies is an exceptional talent

[Ally McCoist]

Wonder what's this about. He works for OneSoccer now so I'm assuming he has at least *some* connections.

EDIT: It's probably regarding Luca Koleosho.

Edited May 24, 2022 by Ally McCoist

[InglewoodJack]

Man, I pray we call him up to the NT for this window. No reason not to. Let’s get it done and keep it moving.

[Pottsy3]

3 hours ago, Ally McCoist said:

Wonder what's this about. He works for OneSoccer now so I'm assuming he has at least *some* connections.

EDIT: It's probably regarding Luca Koleosho.

I know that with the recent hype and rumours, this is likely Koleosho but part of me hopes that it’s actually another American-Canadian dual nat: Chituru Odunze.

still only 19 years old and has been called to the senior USMNT already. He’s really close with a bunch of the guys on FC Edmonton, so I figure he’s pretty strongly connected to the country still. After Slonina’s commitment to the USA, it seems like a good fit.

[Shway]

On 5/13/2022 at 7:50 PM, Shway said:

The amount of guys called up for the 3 games .

Over or under 26.

I say under. 

Called it....CSA likes to save when it can, and that means no exceeding to many call ups.

......Or maybe it's 26 with Campagna being the off/on roster player.

[Corazon]

Canadians in MLS - Weeks 11, 12 & 13

Hopefully a bit of a distraction to the disappointing news about the Canada game vs Iran being cancelled.

Montreal was able to extend their unbeaten run in MLS to 8 games before losing their last two.  Vancouver went 1-1-1 over the three games while Toronto FC only played twice, earning a draw while losing the other.

Of note, Breza did earn a shutout in their 2-0 victory, while Alistair Johnston was able to score his first goal of the season.  In Vancouver, there was a debut for teenage keeper Max Anchor.  Cavallini scored two goals and provided an assist over the 3 game span.  Gutierrez also provided his first assist of the season.  In Toronto, on his return, Osorio scored off a Peruzza rebound.  Meanwhile Akinola seems to be rolling into form and scored his first of the season.

Canadian Player Minutes

Montreal - 4,780 minutes - 5,950 minutes including Goalkeeping

Toronto - 6,197 minutes

Vancouver - 3,166 minutes - 4,046 minutes including Goalkeeping

US MLS Teams - 2,817 minutes - 4,887 minutes including Goalkeeping

Stats provided by MLS.com.

Player	Team	POS	GP	GS	MP	G	A	P%	T	INT	Duel %
Kamal Miller	Montreal	CB	13	13	1148	1	2	83.6%	5	12	60.5%
Alistair Johnston	Montreal	RB	13	13	1078	1	4	84.4%	14	13	52.8%
Raheem Edwards	Los Angeles	LW	12	12	1041	0	5	80.9%	18	15	50.3%
Luca Petrasso	Toronto	RB	12	12	1032	0	3	74.0%	5	11	45.3%
Mark Anthony Kaye	Colorado	CM	13	12	1005	3	0	80.9%	17	15	51.6%
Joel Waterman	Montreal	CB	11	11	977	1	1	86.6%	7	8	61.5%
Russell Teibert	Vancouver	CM	12	11	917	0	0	80.8%	12	18	38.7%
Jonathan Osorio	Toronto	CM	10	9	744	3	4	88.0%	9	10	55.5%
Jayden Nelson	Toronto	RW	12	10	712	1	0	80.4%	11	5	42.7%
Lukas MacNaughton	Toronto	CB	10	8	696	0	0	80.7%	4	13	53.9%
Lucas Cavallini	Vancouver	ST	10	7	695	3	2	74.3%	8	3	53.2%
Kosi Thompson	Toronto	CM	11	8	691	1	2	76.1%	10	12	54.3%
Ismael Kone	Montreal	CM	10	8	651	1	2	83.3%	3	5	55.6%
Cristian Gutierrez	Vancouver	LB	9	4	482	0	1	85.7%	7	5	70.6%
Jacob Shaffelburg	Toronto	LW	6	6	466	0	2	69.4%	7	7	42.3%
Tyler Pasher	Houston	ST	11	5	462	2	1	80.0%	2	0	43.6%
Deandre Kerr	Toronto	ST	8	4	458	1	0	76.9%	6	5	55.7%
Kadin Chung	Toronto	CM	8	5	451	0	1	82.5%	10	8	60.4%
Ryan Raposo	Vancouver	CM	11	5	435	2	0	72.8%	3	7	52.3%
Mathieu Choiniere	Montreal	CM	6	4	321	0	0	81.5%	6	1	48.6%
Michael Baldisimo	Vancouver	CM	8	3	263	0	0	80.8%	6	1	40.0%
Marcus Godinho	Vancouver	RB	6	3	219	0	0	77.6%	1	1	76.5%
Jordan Peruzza	Toronto	ST	10	1	201	0	0	64.3%	0	0	47.1%
Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty	Toronto	CM	4	3	197	0	0	87.9%	3	4	67.9%
Samuel Piette	Montreal	CM	6	1	196	0	0	93.2%	6	1	41.7%
Ayo Akinola	Toronto	ST	5	1	181	1	0	72.2%	2	1	59.1%
Tesho Akindele	Orlando	ST	8	1	176	0	0	71.9%	2	2	45.7%
Zorhan Bassong	Montreal	LB	8	1	163	0	0	84.1%	0	2	31.3%
Ralph Priso-Mbongue	Toronto	CM	5	3	158	0	0	82.0%	6	1	56.0%
Noble Okello	Toronto	CM	4	1	156	0	0	75.9%	3	2	79.0%
Zach Brault-Guillard	Montreal	RB	7	0	136	2	1	87.1%	1	2	25.0%
Doneil Henry	Los Angeles FC	CB	5	2	133	0	0	88.4%	0	1	45.5%
Tosaint Ricketts	Vancouver	ST	6	1	120	2	0	63.0%	0	0	50.0%
Rida Zouhir	Montreal	CM	4	1	110	0	0	77.6%	0	0	42.9%
Ali Ahmed	Vancouver	CM	1	0	33	0	0	88.9%	0	1	50.0%
Steffen Yeates	Toronto	CM	2	0	31	0	0	76.9%	1	0	50.0%
Kobe Franklin	Toronto	RB	1	0	13	0	0	100.0%	0	0	50.0%
Themi Antonoglou	Toronto	CM	1	0	10	0	0	100.0%	0	0	100.0%
Emiliano Brienza	Vancouver	ST	1	0	2	0	0	83.3%	0	0	0.0%
Jean-Aniel Assi	Montreal	ST
Nathan-Dylan Saliba	Montreal	CM
Keesean Ferdinand	Montreal	CB
Karifa Yao	Montreal	CB
Tomas Giraldo	Montreal	CM
Sean Rea	Montreal	CM
Reshaun Wilkes	Toronto	ST
Adam Pearlman	Toronto	DF
Luke Singh	Toronto (to FC Edmonton)	CB
Vasco Fry	Vancouver	ST
Matteo Campagna	Vancouver	CM
Simon Colyn	Vancouver (to Jong PSV)	CM
Kamron Habibullah	Vancouver (to Pacific FC)	CM
Derek Cornelious	Vancouver (to Panetolikos)	CB
Damiano Pecile	Vancouver (to Venezia)	CM
Player	Team	POS	GP	GS	MP	S	S %	P%	GA	GAA	Wins
Maxime Crepeau	Los Angeles	GK	12	12	1080	21	63.6%	78.0%	12	1	8
Dayne St Clair	Minnesota	GK	11	11	990	45	79.0%	53.5%	12	1.09	5
Sebastian Breza	Montreal (from Bologna)	GK	13	13	1170	30	56.6%	77.3%	23	1.77	6
Thomas Hasal	Vancouver	GK	9	9	790	27	61.4%	54.3%	17	1.94	2
Max Anachor	Vancouver	GK	1	1	90	4	66.7	58.3%	2	2	0
James Pantemis	Montreal	GK
Greg Ranjitsingh	Toronto	GK
Isaac Boehmer	Vancouver	GK
Jonathan Sirois	Montreal	GK
Luka Gavran	Toronto	GK

Edited May 26, 2022 by Corazon

[Gian-Luca]

 

[SoccMan]

I’m sorry but I have to vent , when I see the US play two quality opponents and we are stuck playing Panama , this pre World Cup campaign has been completely a joke so far . The guy that thought playing Iran was a good idea should be fired on the spot, moreover, anyone at the CSA that thought it was a good idea to play Iran should also go. Moreover, why didn’t they have a second game lined up after they scheduled the Iran game , the US has. Instead because of the CSA incompetency we are left playing Panama . Instead of building up momentum to our first World Cup since 1986 the general public is talking about the shambles that was organizing a game against Iran . This is what you get when you don’t have proper professionals working at your governing body. Sorry but this has been a complete joke ever since we qualified .

Edited June 3, 2022 by SoccMan

[narduch]

4 minutes ago, SoccMan said:

I’m sorry but I have to vent , when I see the US play two quality opponents and we are stuck playing Panama , this pre World Cup campaign has been completely a joke so far . The guy that thought playing Iran was a good idea should be fired on the spot, moreover, anyone at the CSA that thought it was a good idea to play Iran should also go. Moreover, why didn’t they have a second game lined up after they scheduled the Iran game , the US has. Instead because of the CSA incompetency we are left playing Panama . Instead of building up momentum to our first World Cup since 1986 the general public is talking about the shambles that was organizing a game against Iran . This is what you get when you don’t have proper professionals working at your governing body. Sorry but this has been a complete joke ever since we qualified .

It's more than likely Herdman had a big hand in selecting Iran

[Kadenge]

Unfortunately it's been all downhill since our historic run of games in the Octo and qualification for Qatar. Lack of CSA/media coverage re U20 camp was an easy way of keeping momentum and the program in the news..and then Iran!

Edited June 3, 2022 by Kadenge

[Obinna]

3 minutes ago, SoccMan said:

I’m sorry but I have to vent , when I see the US play two quality opponents and we are stuck playing Panama , this pre World Cup campaign has been completely a joke so far . The guy that thought playing Iran was a good idea should be fired on the spot, moreover, anyone at the CSA that thought it was a good idea to play Iran should also go. Moreover, why didn’t they have a second game lined up after they scheduled the Iran game , the US has. Instead because of the CSA incompetency we are left playing Panama . Instead of building up momentum to our first World Cup since 1986 the general public is talking about the shambles that was organizing a game against Iran . This is what you get when you don’t have proper professionals working at your governing body. Sorry but this has been a complete joke ever since we qualified .

I don't blame the CSA, or whoever had the idea at the CSA, for not anticipating the political shit storm, but I do blame them fully for not having a second friendly already planed. I want to know the reasoning to play a single friendly. The USA managed to get Morocco and Uruguay, and I know we aren't the USA, but couldn't we have gotten Iran and Colombia, or Chile, or hell even Bolivia? The plan from the get-go to only have a single friendly is what irks me the most from all of this. Credit to them for moving mountains to secure Panama at the final hour, but it was a blunder of their own making to begin with. It's like they played the role of both fire fighter and arsonist.

[BuzzAndSting]

1 hour ago, narduch said:

It's more than likely Herdman had a big hand in selecting Iran

I would be very surprised by that. JH seems to be a very intelligent and detail oriented person. I assume, if he had a hand in planning he would have considered all angles including the resulting perception of the team. He's talked a lot about being proud to be Canadian and wear the maple leaf, he's talked a lot about getting the country to believe in them and he's talked a lot about pride and honour in the team and what they do. Scheduling a game against Iran seems to contradict so much of what he's said it doesn't make sense to me.

The CSA leadership on the other hand, and specifically NB, seem to be incapable of not shooting themselves in the foot. This is exactly what you'd expect them to do, team popularity on a meteoric rise? Schedule a game against Iran and have a bunch of Canadians question your decision making.

Who knows though, it's all speculation.

[narduch]

4 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

I would be very surprised by that. JH seems to be a very intelligent and detail oriented person. I assume, if he had a hand in planning he would have considered all angles including the resulting perception of the team. He's talked a lot about being proud to be Canadian and wear the maple leaf, he's talked a lot about getting the country to believe in them and he's talked a lot about pride and honour in the team and what they do. Scheduling a game against Iran seems to contradict so much of what he's said it doesn't make sense to me.

The CSA leadership on the other hand, and specifically NB, seem to be incapable of not shooting themselves in the foot. This is exactly what you'd expect them to do, team popularity on a meteoric rise? Schedule a game against Iran and have a bunch of Canadians question your decision making.

Who knows though, it's all speculation.

He can't have it both ways. He can't be a detail oriented guy that plans everything meticulously but then not have a hand in putting together the Iran friendly.

[BuzzAndSting]

1 minute ago, narduch said:

He can't have it both ways. He can't be a detail oriented guy that plans everything meticulously but then not have a hand in putting together the Iran friendly.

Unless there's a disconnect between him and the CSA leadership.

[narduch]

1 minute ago, BuzzAndSting said:

Unless there's a disconnect between him and the CSA leadership.

I guess people like him so much they can't fathom giving him any criticism.

[BuzzAndSting]

1 minute ago, narduch said:

I guess people like him so much they can't fathom giving him any criticism.

That's an unfair link based on nothing. You made an assumption about him and I'm just posing an alternative viewpoint.

We know the players didn't want to play against Iran so it's possible that JH didn't want to either.

[narduch]

Just now, BuzzAndSting said:

That's an unfair link based on nothing. You made an assumption about him and I'm just posing an alternative viewpoint.

We know the players didn't want to play against Iran so it's possible that JH didn't want to either.

I think its pretty fair. We let the guy control every last detail. Except choosing Iran? Hard to believe.

[Obinna]

21 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

I would be very surprised by that. JH seems to be a very intelligent and detail oriented person. I assume, if he had a hand in planning he would have considered all angles including the resulting perception of the team. He's talked a lot about being proud to be Canadian and wear the maple leaf, he's talked a lot about getting the country to believe in them and he's talked a lot about pride and honour in the team and what they do. Scheduling a game against Iran seems to contradict so much of what he's said it doesn't make sense to me.

The CSA leadership on the other hand, and specifically NB, seem to be incapable of not shooting themselves in the foot. This is exactly what you'd expect them to do, team popularity on a meteoric rise? Schedule a game against Iran and have a bunch of Canadians question your decision making.

Who knows though, it's all speculation.

The truth is often somewhere in the middle.

JH can be a very intelligent and detailed oriented person, having a hand in planning and considering all angles including the resulting perception of the team.

The CSA can be an organization that lived up to their reputation by scheduling a game against Iran and having a bunch of Canadians question the decision. Both of these things can be absolutely true.

We know that JH is a risk taker. There's no reward without risk in this world. Risk takers gauge risk on perceived probability of outcome, so maybe JH considered the probability of this backfiring to be low, relative to the expected reward. As for the CSA, perhaps they likewise saw the possible reward as being worth the risk. Although all we can do is speculate, as you said, we can be fairly certain the decision was jointly made by Herdman and the Canadian Soccer Association.

I find it hard to believe that JH was against the decision and simply went along to get along.

 

[Gian-Luca]

I thought Wheeler already essentially confirmed that Herdman wanted to play Iran while the US played Morocco as an intended quid pro quo between Berhalter and Herdman?

Even if he hadn’t I am also of the view that it would be almost inconceivable that he would have not been behind it to some, if not a large extent. Also the players only became against it after they got wind of potential protests happening in the stands, there is no suggestion that they were not in favour of it to begin with, in fact it was the opposite with Cavallini defending the choice. 

 

 

[Obinna]

18 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

That's an unfair link based on nothing. You made an assumption about him and I'm just posing an alternative viewpoint.

We know the players didn't want to play against Iran so it's possible that JH didn't want to either.

At risk of opening the whole can of worms again, I want to remind you (and anyone else reading) the players reportedly never wanted to play the game after the media backlash got out of hand. Rightly so that our players wouldn't want to get caught up in negative optics, or worse.

Prior to things getting out of hand, Cavallini went on record and basically said that Trudeau can have his own opinions, but he just wants to bring soccer to the people and prepare for the world cup.

[Kent]

I mean, 50,000 people bought tickets to the game and presumably thought the game would go ahead. It's not inconceivable that Herdman thought the game was a realistic possibility and wanted to play it before the backlash came.

1 hour ago, Gian-Luca said:

I thought Wheeler already essentially confirmed that Herdman wanted to play Iran while the US played Morocco as an intended quid pro quo between Berhalter and Herdman?

Wheeler didn't confirm this. Oliver Platt started it by pointing out the friendlies and the World Cup groups and hypothesized that maybe they were planning on exchanging notes. Wheeler liked that theory and kept mentioning it, but never confirmed that he heard it from a source, just always saying it was a possibility that it was the case.

[Free kick]

12 hours ago, narduch said:

It's more than likely Herdman had a big hand in selecting Iran

 

10 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

I would be very surprised by that. JH seems to be a very intelligent and detail oriented person. I assume, if he had a hand in planning he would have considered all angles including the resulting perception of the team. 

I posted a podcast link several weeks back.  It was an interview Bontis gave to a sportsnet radio drive home show. A day or two after qualifying for the WC. 

In that interview that Bontis said that Herdman would have final say who we play friendlies against.

Edit:  here it is.  
Interview with Bontis starts at 40:15

Answer about who we play in friendlies is at 46:01

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/writers-bloc/id1483242860?i=1000555520804

 

Edited June 4, 2022 by Free kick

[rkomar]

That same radio show (when Andi Petrillo was guest hosting) pointed out that the Iran game needed the approval of the stadium brass (i.e. BC government) as well as the federal government.  They got the green check marks from both.   There is more than one group responsible for scheduling that game, including politicos who should have known better than the CSA.

[Sal333]

4 minutes ago, rkomar said:

That same radio show (when Andi Petrillo was guest hosting) pointed out that the Iran game needed the approval of the stadium brass (i.e. BC government) as well as the federal government.  They got the green check marks from both.   There is more than one group responsible for scheduling that game, including politicos who should have known better than the CSA.

At first many members here disagreed with that observation. I'll bet not too many will speak up now.