trc2014 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, VinceA said: Other sources have said simply being in the tournament squad cap ties you. Is your source beyond AGR? That’s the only person I’ve seen say it + individuals he is on podcasts with. Understand in the Aidan Morris situation this doesn’t matter as he will play the one/two games needed. Edited June 12, 2023 by trc2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueseeka Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Disappointing but not surprising. Eventhough Morris didn't end up working out, I am glad that CMNT is continuing to search out for these dual nationals. Hope Morris has a nice career with the US but damn he could of had a huge role with midfield in the CMNT. On to the next one Corazon, narduch, johnyb and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kacbru Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 41 minutes ago, trc2014 said: I know it’s inevitable that he will be capped by playing in enough games, but I don’t think being on the squad cap tying someone is a thing. Looks like everyone at One Soccer is saying it. I don't mean to be responding to @trc2014, rather just call out the BS that AGR is tweeting about. Next up from AGR? Big loss for Canada - one of Messi's parents could have had an affair with a Canadian travelling through Rosario, making Lionel an illegitimate child, but with a Canadian parent. If only Canada had more youth camps. How is this a big loss for Canada? Sure, it would be nice to have him, but Morris is 100% American. You can't lose what you don't have. So what if his name appears on a largely meaningless provisional roster? I'm all in for the need for more youth camps for Canada, but to use Morris to make the case for them is farcical. DrunkOffPunch, king1010, canadianbacons and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Chuck Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 FIFA rules dictate you have to play. If merely being on the roster for a competitive non-friendly match were cap-tying, then Begovic would be a Canadian international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 His tweet does make it sound like 100% a youth camp would have guaranteed Morris. Pretty funny, was on no one’s radar 2 weeks ago and now it’s a huge loss for the program. kacbru, Obinna, MauditYvon and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, trc2014 said: His tweet does make it sound like 100% a youth camp would have guaranteed Morris. Pretty funny, was on no one’s radar 2 weeks ago and now it’s a huge loss for the program. Yeah I don't like that angle. Why would Morris have chosen us over American youth camps? Also his age groups U20 program was wiped out due to Covid. king1010, ray and toontownman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trc2014 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 AGR might be right. It’s how you define ‘participated’ on page 37. FIFA explicitly defined ‘fielded’ as something different. again, this is more for interested beyond the Aidan Morris case haha. https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/ccab990abf45fcf6/original/ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi-pdf.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Honestly I think there was smoke blown and we can’t say this is a huge loss. The fans didn’t know he was eligible, the program chased him hard for over a year. The player and media used/created leverage for the us to call him and then finally there was enough opportunities where he was needed. On top of this he was never really in the country. Sadly right now the dual tide has turned and we are taking losses. He will have a short career with them, but for all we know the next Kone is around the corner and one of Zouhir/Saliba may end up being him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Definitely smoke blown up our ass. GEEZ, Kone last year, this year CHoiniere is breaking out, Saliba/Rea playing better, Ahmed in Vancouver, Loturi in europe, why do I care about this guy?? I'm not going to cry about some guy who we only realized has a tenuous tie to canada 3 weeks ago and was never serious about it for a minute. Sure was a lot of stories about him when it looked like he might switch though eh?? RJB, Fullback, gator and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 21 hours ago, phresh said: Back to Morris, he's been called up for the US So your saying in a couple weeks this thread will be in the World Soccer page, and if I hadn't caught up by that point I could have avoided reading the last 5 pages of this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kent said: So your saying in a couple weeks this thread will be in the World Soccer page, and if I hadn't caught up by that point I could have avoided reading the last 5 pages of this thread? This thread is still here because it’s very possible that he catches the flu, sits out the GC, bumps into Herdman at McCarran on the way home and stares longingly at the Air Canada flights departing knowing that while his heart is American, his soul is Canadian, and in the footsteps of his baseball hero Freddie Freeman, he will wear the red and white to honour his roots. Corazon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solsous Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Kids that are born-and sometimes raised-in a certain country, will most likely yearn to play for that said country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Chuck Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 He openly admits breaking into the US will be a "long-term process" compared to Canada. But he is going with his heart, as he should. If he doesn't really feel Canadian then he wouldn't be able to give his all. toontownman, Corazon, Approve My Account Pls and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 He’s basically saying what I did- these players decide based on the player they think they are, not who they actually are. He thinks he’ll get good enough to play for the US, and so that’s where he goes regardless of how much easier it would be to crack our squad. Totally fine. Can we move this to world soccer now? narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedPilko Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, InglewoodJack said: He’s basically saying what I did- these players decide based on the player they think they are, not who they actually are. He thinks he’ll get good enough to play for the US, and so that’s where he goes regardless of how much easier it would be to crack our squad. Totally fine. Can we move this to world soccer now? It's weird the way we phrase this lol - who says he doesn't go to a top 5 league in the near future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, PiedPilko said: It's weird the way we phrase this lol - who says he doesn't go to a top 5 league in the near future? How many promising domestic mids have moved to a top 5 league from MLS in the last 3-4 years?? Not saying it cant happen, but it doesnt happen that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 American kid plays for America. A story as old as time. I don't wish him well, but a totally rational and normal decision. Mattd97 and TOcanadafan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkOffPunch Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 49 minutes ago, Bison44 said: How many promising domestic mids have moved to a top 5 league from MLS in the last 3-4 years?? Not saying it cant happen, but it doesnt happen that much. Go to 4 1/2 years and it’s 5 or 6. If Watford get back into the prem then 7 if you count that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, DrunkOffPunch said: Go to 4 1/2 years and it’s 5 or 6. If Watford get back into the prem then 7 if you count that. Who is the 5-6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkOffPunch Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Bison44 said: Who is the 5-6? Adams, Tessman, Busio, Reyna, both Aaronsons. Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Reyna never played in MLS...so about 1 maybe 1.5 a year make the jump?? Like I said, it can happen, maybe its McGlynn or Cowell or possibly Morris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1. P aaronson - 2022 bundesliga 7 appearances so far 2. Busio - Seria A 2021 (who are now in Serie B ) 3. Tessman - Seria A 2021 (who are now in Serie B ) 4. Gruezo - Bundesliga. 2019 ( although he previously played in the bundesliga prior) From my limited research theres been 4 midfielders transferred from MLS to top 5 leagues. Aaronson is legit. Busio and Tessman went to a second div italian side who were serie A for one year.... it hardly counts even though it technically does count. Gruezo was a bundesliga player, went to MLS and then back to bundesliga. Again it hardly counts as hes not an MLS Developed guy like morris is. Basically there is 1 midfielder who is an MLS product who went to a top 5 league with stability. (B Aaronson went to salzburg. Adams went to salzburg) Then there are 2 more midfielders who went to europe and eventually went to a top 5 league that had an american manager and they were swiftly relegated. Its unlikely they would have moved to the prem if marsh wasnt the coach of leeds. I am making some explanations which belittle the situation but I guess my point is that the MLS hardly ever sends an MLS product to a top 5 league and when they have, the players go to relegation sides. Theres still not an example of a player going from MLS to a top 5 team and becoming succesful at that level. P aaronson still has the jury out. Adams is likely to transfer back to the prem. However, Morris will have to be the most succesful MLS midfield product ever in order to break into the USMNT line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phresh Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 38 minutes ago, Bigandy said: (B Aaronson went to salzburg. Adams went to salzburg) Adams went to Leipzig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkOffPunch Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Bigandy said: 1. P aaronson - 2022 bundesliga 7 appearances so far 2. Busio - Seria A 2021 (who are now in Serie B ) 3. Tessman - Seria A 2021 (who are now in Serie B ) 4. Gruezo - Bundesliga. 2019 ( although he previously played in the bundesliga prior) From my limited research theres been 4 midfielders transferred from MLS to top 5 leagues. Aaronson is legit. Busio and Tessman went to a second div italian side who were serie A for one year.... it hardly counts even though it technically does count. Gruezo was a bundesliga player, went to MLS and then back to bundesliga. Again it hardly counts as hes not an MLS Developed guy like morris is. Basically there is 1 midfielder who is an MLS product who went to a top 5 league with stability. (B Aaronson went to salzburg. Adams went to salzburg) Then there are 2 more midfielders who went to europe and eventually went to a top 5 league that had an american manager and they were swiftly relegated. Its unlikely they would have moved to the prem if marsh wasnt the coach of leeds. I am making some explanations which belittle the situation but I guess my point is that the MLS hardly ever sends an MLS product to a top 5 league and when they have, the players go to relegation sides. Theres still not an example of a player going from MLS to a top 5 team and becoming succesful at that level. P aaronson still has the jury out. Adams is likely to transfer back to the prem. However, Morris will have to be the most succesful MLS midfield product ever in order to break into the USMNT line up. Paxton’s 19. What do you expect for a prospect that is a mid season transfer. Not counting Reyna is silly. He has an EU passport he was never going to sign a first team contract for NYCFC. He’s still an MLS product. Aaronson to Leeds was happening whether Marsch was their or not. Bielsa wanted him. Adams went to Leipzig. If we’re disregarding Adams and Reyna. What about any position? The Bundesliga has 2 FBs in Davies and Scally who both came straight from MLS. As soccer grows in North America MLS exports are going to become more and more common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted June 15, 2023 Share Posted June 15, 2023 1 hour ago, phresh said: Adams went to Leipzig Of course he did.... Wow bad mistake on my end... Thanks for correcting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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