Ozzie_the_parrot Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The only way is by having multiple club held options and hoping you find the next Alphonso Davies. Not impossible, but doesn't happen too often. PaulV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, PaulV said: I've always assumed at this level, similar to USL, most players are on one year contracts and very few, if any, are on long term ones. It's expensive to tie up players who might amount to nothing unless you have a lot of money to risk. How do you get to be a "selling league" in this environment? I believe USL had a combined transfer income of $0 last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 46 minutes ago, Aird25 said: I believe USL had a combined transfer income of $0 last season. Didn't they sell Kaye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Apparently so: https://www.transfermarkt.com/mark-anthony-kaye/profil/spieler/343553 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Blackdude said: Didn't they sell Kaye? No clue. I just looked through Transfermarkt and didn't see any sales listed, but that could very well be a result of MLS not making transfer fees public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Aird25 said: No clue. I just looked through Transfermarkt and didn't see any sales listed, but that could very well be a result of MLS not making transfer fees public Looks like you have someone on ignore😎 https://www.transfermarkt.com/mark-anthony-kaye/profil/spieler/343553 Shway and BuzzAndSting 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I don’t actually. It’s just a reflex at this point Does that link show a transfer fee? I see a question mark next to the deal in his transfer history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Aird25 said: I don’t actually. It’s just a reflex at this point Does that link show a transfer fee? I see a question mark next to the deal in his transfer history. I was looking in the wrong column, you are right it shows a question mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Not CPL but huge news on PLSQ side..Gatineau is out..and negotiations are ongoing for keeping Dynamo de Québec http://justesoccer.com/quebec/plsq/le-fc-gatineau-quitte-la-plsq-pour-lontario/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rintaran Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Big_M said: Not CPL but huge news on PLSQ side..Gatineau is out..and negotiations are ongoing for keeping Dynamo de Québec http://justesoccer.com/quebec/plsq/le-fc-gatineau-quitte-la-plsq-pour-lontario/ Oof. That's a rough loss for the PLSQ. Hopefully, Dynamo will continue. Not really seeing any word on expansion at this point either. Definitely some concerning news for the D3. Edit: The OCSL is the Ottawa Carleton Soccer League. It's a significant drop from PLSQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 More proof that Soccer Quebec are in over their heads and should sell to CSB/CPL Bbeto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 another team added to the usl graveyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) This has been rumoured to be happening for weeks now. Further proof that the USL expansion fees don't prove that the franchises have value. Once MLS is finished picking up all the strong markets in USL I wonder how well it will do. Edited October 29, 2019 by narduch ted, CDNFootballer, Ansem and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I'm curious as well if the USLPA starting up will have any effect on the Fury moving to CPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, narduch said: Once MLS is finished picking up all the strong markets in USL I wonder how well it will do. Ha, finished. Whatever that means. narduch, Gopherbashi and Ams1984 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 If, and it's a big if, MLS stop at 32, there will be a lot of very large American cities left on the outside looking in. At that point if soccer continues to grow in the way it did over the last decade, the USL Championship can be expected to become a significantly stronger league than it is now, because future emerging Cincinatti and Sacramento type franchises will be hanging around. longlugan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Oh yes, I can see this as a glass half full kind of thing for USL. If a few more teams folded that might bode even better for long term league strength. And I would say the same thing if a CPL team folded, its actually good for the league. 😒 narduch and gator 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: If, and it's a big if, MLS stop at 32, there will be a lot of very large American cities left on the outside looking in. At that point if soccer continues to grow in the way it did over the last decade, the USL Championship can be expected to become a significantly stronger league than it is now, because future emerging Cincinatti and Sacramento type franchises will be hanging around. I disagree with this completely. There is no upside for USL to keep losing its better markets. The only league who benefits from that is MLS. How valuable are minor league teams in the other major leagues (NBA, NHL, etc)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulV Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bison44 said: Oh yes, I can see this as a glass half full kind of thing for USL. If a few more teams folded that might bode even better for long term league strength. And I would say the same thing if a CPL team folded, its actually good for the league. 😒 Don't understand that. It might be true if there was a big TV contract that could be shared among fewer teams but it's mainly a gate driven league. A team failing is pretty much independent from any other team in a different city from what I can see. More teams enable it stay a regional league (which they are also trying to do at League One level by adding teams); they understand that a national league at that level is not workable. It's also not like hockey where you have to worry about talent dilution. There are so many players in the global pool that you can stock teams easily enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, PaulV said: Don't understand that. It might be true if there was a big TV contract that could be shared among fewer teams but it's mainly a gate driven league. A team failing is pretty much independent from any other team in a different city from what I can see. More teams enable it stay a regional league (which they are also trying to do at League One level by adding teams); they understand that a national league at that level is not workable. It's also not like hockey where you have to worry about talent dilution. There are so many players in the global pool that you can stock teams easily enough. I should have put a winking emoji. gator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Again, the point is that the league is a dead end for Ottawa. They aren't ever getting in MLS and the USL franchise have no intrinsic value other then to fill the league coffers with expansion fees. Teams don't get sold and moved to other markers. They fold or drop down a division. Bbeto, ted and CDNFootballer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Throw in the fact that all of the other major US leagues have topped out around 30 teams and I see no reason to think that MLS would somehow manage to justify expanding beyond that. It’s not like soccer is such an overwhelmingly popular sport in the States that they can crank out more support than baseball or football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 https://abc30.com/sports/fresno-fc-announces-its-done-in-fresno/5656659/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 a real shame about FC Gatineau but even I was barely aware of their existence and they are a 15 minute drive from my house. It is frankly not at all shocking that players had to pay to play just to keep the club afloat. I suspect the intentions were good but the economics just don’t work when people only know of one team in the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 6 hours ago, narduch said: Again, the point is that the league is a dead end for Ottawa. They aren't ever getting in MLS and the USL franchise have no intrinsic value other then to fill the league coffers with expansion fees. Teams don't get sold and moved to other markers. They fold or drop down a division. The Fury will not drop down a division. The way the teams are spaced out in USL League One, the travel costs would be even higher than in the USL Championship or the CPL. Hope I’m wrong but there is only a minuscule (less than 5%) chance that the Fury wind up in CPL next season. 2021 is the next moving target and even then I predict it’s at best 50-50 (just gut feel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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