SthMelbRed Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, GasPed said: At my age, 7 minutes, regardless of the method employed, is a miracle. Think I'll need to record that little gem for those special occasions... It'll only work if you're a Union-loving, Queen-worshipping, Scottish Protestant who, for those brief few minutes, thought there was a chance that you could embarrass the Socialist Scousers, and their millions of supporters around the world. GasPed, WestHamCanadianinOxford and gator 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig11rm Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Idk… I think we will be good with Fraser… who knows maybe he will make a 60 yard pass to JD for a winning goal against Belgium 😜 honestly I’m super bummed that Osorio isn’t fit to play right now and Arfield is his most natural replacement… Jack1997, WestHamCanadianinOxford and TGAA_Star 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Arfield is the best Canadian CAM Osorio was not is not and will never be anywhere near his quality If Herdman doesnt bring Arfield it would be the biggest mistake of his career gator, SpecialK, Obinna and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dag Nasty Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Artfield is an obvious choice. NO KAYE for Canada or TFC for what he is paid for or traded for. Suck it up buttercup, Scott is in the mix if your smart and wise. SpecialK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Marc Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Never thought I'd ever feel bad for Rangers or their fans but getting that glimmer of hope with Arfield's early goal only to concede seven in a row? ... Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Dag Nasty said: Artfield is an obvious choice. NO KAYE for Canada or TFC for what he is paid for or traded for. Suck it up buttercup, Scott is in the mix if your smart and wise. Okay but he hasn't played for Canada in over 3 years. Last time he played for us besides the Gold Cup in 2019 was in Nations League pre pandemic. Other than that, even then I would still choose other players over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Craig11rm said: Idk… I think we will be good with Fraser… who knows maybe he will make a 60 yard pass to JD for a winning goal against Belgium 😜 honestly I’m super bummed that Osorio isn’t fit to play right now and Arfield is his most natural replacement… Exactly would rather have Fraser there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, SthMelbRed said: It'll only work if you're a Union-loving, Queen-worshipping, Scottish Protestant who, for those brief few minutes, thought there was a chance that you could embarrass the Socialist Scousers, and their millions of supporters around the world. Too bad the politics haven't helped your lot more against the queen-lovers in the league this year or helped Trent learn to defend. 😄 Edited October 13, 2022 by WestHamCanadianinOxford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 WestHamCanadianinOxford, cornerkick, Redpunkfiddle and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 9 hours ago, Big_M said: Arfield is the best Canadian CAM Osorio was not is not and will never be anywhere near his quality If Herdman doesnt bring Arfield it would be the biggest mistake of his career Osorio at Azteca or in a few other WCQs showed a level as good or better than anything we've seen from Arfield for Canada. dyslexic nam, Sal333, Craig11rm and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, jonovision said: Osorio at Azteca or in a few other WCQs showed a level as good or better than anything we've seen from Arfield for Canada. Osorio was outstanding at Azteca in our most important road game in decades. Arfield was outstanding against the States in the game that turned the tide for the program. Neither one is miles ahead of the other based on the last 5 years. Edited October 13, 2022 by Califax h coach, Corazon, dyslexic nam and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiecanuck Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 45 minutes ago, Califax said: Osorio was outstanding at Azteca in our most important road game in decades. Arfield was outstanding against the States in the game that turned the tide for the program. Neither one is miles ahead of the other based on the last 5 years. It seems pretty easy to guess who's going to be at a higher level come the world cup. Osorio as far as strenght and fitness having not played for 2 months and now just doing light work. I hope Oso is there but the luxury of having 3 extra spots on the WC roster this year is you bring insurance in Arfield IMO. Califax, Obinna, cornerkick and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 9:18 AM, jonovision said: Osorio at Azteca or in a few other WCQs showed a level as good or better than anything we've seen from Arfield for Canada. I love Osorio and all, but I don't see him playing in EPL at any point in his career. Arfield did accomplish that and did not look out of place at any point. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) On 10/13/2022 at 8:40 AM, Califax said: Osorio was outstanding at Azteca in our most important road game in decades. Arfield was outstanding against the States in the game that turned the tide for the program. Neither one is miles ahead of the other based on the last 5 years. Agree with you on the last point in bold, but I think agree with @jonovision when he says Arfield has never put on a performance like Osorio in Mexico. Yeah Scotty was very good against the states at BMO, but the way Osorio finished that chance on the feed from Davies down at Azteca? That was a real moment of quality on the biggest stage in CONCACAF. I don't think Arfield has had a moment like that. I am not sure any of that matters though in the grande debate of Arfield vs. Osorio though. More important (to @prairiecanuck's point) is the lack of game time and fitness heading into the tournament. Arfield is playing well in the Scotland and the UEFA Champions League and Osorio is not playing at all, he is recovering. I am not of the opinion we drop Osorio, he's an important player for us, but I am all for an Arfield return. At the same time, I doubt it materializes and I am fine with that. He'd improve the team, but our chances don't hinge on him. Edited October 14, 2022 by Obinna An Observer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, costarg said: I love Osorio and all, but I don't see him playing in EPL at any point in his career. Arfield did accomplish that and did not look out of place at any point. Arfield is not in EPL now. He last played there 5 years ago. Not really relevant to the discussion. I'll admit on recent form Arfield is close to Osorio. The injury to Osorio is the real opening into the roster for Scott, though I think if he wanted to be in the squad he would be already. Edited October 14, 2022 by jonovision The Real Marc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) If Osorio is ruled out (would be a real shame), I wonder if that could actually crack open the door for Arfield to return? Obviously he'd have to renounce his retirement, but I am thinking it would take a core player like Osorio going down for him to have any real chance of getting back in. I can see a world where that happens, simply because we have no realistic replacements for Osorio at the end of the roster. Fraser put a valiant effort into all of his caps, but it's easy to pass on him when he's playing for a struggling Belgian div 2 side. Is there anyone else you'd trust in the midfield for a World Cup? There's nobody that I can think of. All of that said, the emergence of Kone and the recovery of Wotherspoon and Hutchinson probably make this a moot point. A midfield of Eustaquio, Piette, Kone, Kaye, Hutchinson and Spoony would be enough. And by the way, I totally get that Kaye's form has been terrible, and I get he'll be out of action for some time when the tournament starts, but I really don't envision Herdman dropping Kaye for Arfield just because of form. Now would I personally entertain that? Sure, but I just don't think it happens under Herdman, even if Arfield publicly announces his availability. Herdman will be loyal to Kaye, which is fine by me. He played an important role in getting us here. Speaking of Kaye, I actually don't think he will play many minutes in Qatar - just a hunch I have. For a while it felt like he was slipping into our second string, but I think he is firmly there now. I think Piette and Kone have both leapfrogged him in Herdman's depth chart. Edited October 14, 2022 by Obinna johnyb, Califax and Bison44 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 This isnt an Osorio vs Arfield thing. If Oso is healthy he is there, if Hutch is healthy he is there..period. But for me this is a case of the 3 last spots, 24-26. Lets be realistic, Herdman might only play 14-15 players anyway. But I see this as putting an extra tool in the box, someone who might be able to come in for maybe 15min and pull off a moment of class/composure at the highest level under the most pressure any of these guys have ever had on them. |Make history as herdman put it in the WECAN documentary. Watching Arfield make an intelligent run and calmly finish In the champions league against Liverpool should cement the fact that he is that kind of player. cornerkick, Corazon, johnyb and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GasPed Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Obinna said: Yeah Scotty was very good against the states at BMO, but the way Osorio finished that chance on the feed from Davies down at Azteca? That was a real moment of quality on the biggest stage in CONCACAF. I don't think Arfield has had a moment like that. I recognize that events subsequent to the goals themselves are often what define the importance of the goals, but in the moment, you'd have to say Arfield's goal against Liverpool a few days ago was a real moment of quality on the biggest stage against a powerhouse team. He's also scored some massive goals in the Old Firm. Admittedly none of those goals are particularly important to Canada, but when it comes to big moments in general, Arfield has had his share (as has Osorio tbf). Obinna and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, GasPed said: I recognize that events subsequent to the goals themselves are often what define the importance of the goals, but in the moment, you'd have to say Arfield's goal against Liverpool a few days ago was a real moment of quality on the biggest stage against a powerhouse team. He's also scored some massive goals in the Old Firm. Admittedly none of those goals are particularly important to Canada, but when it comes to big moments in general, Arfield has had his share (as has Osorio tbf). Absolutely agree with that. It's why I would love to see Arfield's name appended to our roster. You can't go wrong with a guy like that if you're Canada. It'll be hilarious if he's named to the provisional squad. This thread will explode lol cornerkick and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, jonovision said: Arfield is not in EPL now. He last played there 5 years ago. Not really relevant to the discussion. I'll admit on recent form Arfield is close to Osorio. The injury to Osorio is the real opening into the roster for Scott, though I think if he wanted to be in the squad he would be already. This is what you wrote: Osorio at Azteca or in a few other WCQs showed a level as good or better than anything we've seen from Arfield for Canada.\ So you're judging Osorio on one game vs what Arfield has done only wearing the Canada shirt? Ya, that's apple vs apples........ My point is, even at his best, Osorio will never play in Champions League or EPL, Arfield has and done very well in both. So if we're comparing the players overall career or even today or that one game at Azteca, Arfield is the better overall player. Obinna, johnyb, WestHamCanadianinOxford and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Just now, costarg said: This is what you wrote: Osorio at Azteca or in a few other WCQs showed a level as good or better than anything we've seen from Arfield for Canada.\ So you're judging Osorio on one game vs what Arfield has done only wearing the Canada shirt? Ya, that's apple vs apples........ My point is, even at his best, Osorio will never play in Champions League or EPL, Arfield has and done very well in both. So if we're comparing the players overall career or even today or that one game at Azteca, Arfield is the better overall player. It's hard to make the argument Osorio has had a better career when Arfield made it all the way to the Europa League finals and played in the UEFA Champions League (and scored against Liverpool). That's a moment he'll never forget. I love Osorio and he has some massive accomplishments to his name (CCL final, CCL golden boot, MLS Cup), but the only way there's a debate there is if he adds to that list. Arfield is 4 years older, so it remains to be seen what Osorio will achieve in the future. Let's remember that 4 years ago Arfield's resume wasn't as impressive. The biggest thing he'd won was promotion from the Championship (twice). If you compare where Osorio is today with where Arfield was 4 years ago, you could make a solid case that Osorio has had the more impressive career. And of course, should Osorio make the WC and play a role in Canada getting out of the group, that would be significant feather in his cap. costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 44 minutes ago, Obinna said: It's hard to make the argument Osorio has had a better career when Arfield made it all the way to the Europa League finals and played in the UEFA Champions League (and scored against Liverpool). That's a moment he'll never forget. I love Osorio and he has some massive accomplishments to his name (CCL final, CCL golden boot, MLS Cup), but the only way there's a debate there is if he adds to that list. Arfield is 4 years older, so it remains to be seen what Osorio will achieve in the future. Let's remember that 4 years ago Arfield's resume wasn't as impressive. The biggest thing he'd won was promotion from the Championship (twice). If you compare where Osorio is today with where Arfield was 4 years ago, you could make a solid case that Osorio has had the more impressive career. And of course, should Osorio make the WC and play a role in Canada getting out of the group, that would be significant feather in his cap. I'm still rooting for Osorio to do exactly that! Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, costarg said: I'm still rooting for Osorio to do exactly that! Osorio is going to transfer to Rangers and eventually score against Liverpool in the Champions League, isn't he? costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just figured I’d bump this thread. Because I am a dick. narduch, DeRo_Is_King, Bison44 and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerkick Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 when does the provisional list get released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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