WCQ: Third Round - Window 3 (November 12-16, 2021)

[Free kick]

I was just looking Canada’s sched versus Panama. Side by side.  Yes, theirs is better. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Free kick

[kungfucious]

@Sal333: completely agree with what you said back on 2021-10-15

@hulkrogan: i had to change some of your words.  sorry bRuTHa!

 

Edited November 16, 2021 by kungfucious
credit due where credit deserved

[kungfucious]

i was kinda irritated friday didnt result in a more convincing win, but now that im back to being grateful (instead of being greedy), i just wanna ask the gallery:

 

what does it say when other teams now cheer for you to draw instead of winning? 

(ive never been in this position before as a fan of the MNT...)

 

just checking, the boys have achieved this level collecting their V's badges right?

[narduch]

Match Day 8. All times ET. 

One Soccer doesn't have Jamaica v USA listed on their app. Hopefully they kick it to YouTube. 

 

[narduch]

David and Miller make the Match Day 7 top 11.

 

[footballfreak]

Idk what they’re smoking over at CONCACAF. Miller had a torrid time with the pitch and was probably our weakest defender on the day.

[TGAA_Star]

Hoping Jamaica beats USA tonight and in the Panama vs El Salvador match it is pretty much a given Panama will win 

[narduch]

Tonight's refs:

Canada – Mexico
Referee: Mario Escobar (GUA)
Assistant Referee 1: Caleb Wales (TRI)
Assistant Referee 2: William Arrieta (CRC) 

Fourth Official: Benjamin Pineda (CRC)

Jamaica – USA
Referee: Juan Calderon (CRC)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Mora (CRC)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Tipaz (GUA)
Fourth Official: Bryan Lopez (GUA)

Costa Rica – Honduras

Referee: Jair Marrufo (USA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frank Anderson (USA)
Assistant Referee 2: Kathryn Nesbitt (USA)
Fourth Official: Rubiel Vazquez (USA)

Panama – El Salvador
Referee: Marco Ortiz (MEX)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Espinosa (MEX)
Assistant Referee 2: Jose Martinez (MEX)
Fourth Official: Jorge Perez (MEX)

 

http://refereeingworld.blogspot.com/2021/11/fifa-world-cup-2022-qualifiers-concacaf_14.html

Edited November 16, 2021 by narduch

[TGAA_Star]

1 minute ago, narduch said:

Tonight's refs:

Canada – Mexico
Referee: Mario Escobar (GUA, photo)
Assistant Referee 1: Caleb Wales (TRI)
Assistant Referee 2: William Arrieta (CRC) 

Fourth Official: Benjamin Pineda (CRC)

Jamaica – USA
Referee: Juan Calderon (CRC)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Mora (CRC)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Tipaz (GUA)
Fourth Official: Bryan Lopez (GUA)

Costa Rica – Honduras

Referee: Jair Marrufo (USA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frank Anderson (USA)
Assistant Referee 2: Kathryn Nesbitt (USA)
Fourth Official: Rubiel Vazquez (USA)

Panama – El Salvador
Referee: Marco Ortiz (MEX)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Espinosa (MEX)
Assistant Referee 2: Jose Martinez (MEX)
Fourth Official: Jorge Perez (MEX)

 

http://refereeingworld.blogspot.com/2021/11/fifa-world-cup-2022-qualifiers-concacaf_14.html

Pretty balanced all the way around 

[Kent]

So today, we obviously want El Salvador to beat Panama, and we want Honduras to beat Costa Rica. The less obvious one is Jamaica vs USA. I think I want Jamaica to beat USA, but maybe only if we also beat Mexico. If we lose to Mexico, Jamaica being at 9 points makes me a bit more nervous.

[narduch]

1 minute ago, Kent said:

So today, we obviously want El Salvador to beat Panama, and we want Honduras to beat Costa Rica. The less obvious one is Jamaica vs USA. I think I want Jamaica to beat USA, but maybe only if we also beat Mexico. If we lose to Mexico, Jamaica being at 9 points makes me a bit more nervous.

A Costa Rica win makes our road match v Honduras virtually meaningless to them. Honduras would have nothing to play for.

[Approve My Account Pls]

2 minutes ago, Kent said:

So today, we obviously want El Salvador to beat Panama, and we want Honduras to beat Costa Rica. The less obvious one is Jamaica vs USA. I think I want Jamaica to beat USA, but maybe only if we also beat Mexico. If we lose to Mexico, Jamaica being at 9 points makes me a bit more nervous.

Jamaica to win or a draw would be best, they play Panama next window and we still want them in the fight and not have them roll over just yet. If they take two consecutive L's to the US and then Mexico next window, they would head into that Panama match pretty much dead.

I'd take a CR/Honduras draw as well because Honduras on 3 or 4 pts, they may just give up seeing the big bad Canadians coming to town.

[Gian-Luca]

Pretty much want draws everywhere else with a win for Canada. Maybe an ES win over Panama but don’t see that happening in Panama 

[mrstepp817]

Jamaica sitting on six is last stand territory...they bowed up a bit last time at home and managed a draw with Canada....but I think they need three against the US now...that late header by Roldan in the 90th minute Friday was an absolute killer for them....

 

Honduras seems cooked already...

Edited November 16, 2021 by mrstepp817

[theaub]

Costa Rica to absolutely bury Honduras imo

[jonovision]

32 minutes ago, theaub said:

Costa Rica to absolutely bury Honduras imo

I doubt it. I think they can win, but Costa Rica have 4 goals from 7 matches. They are great defending, but they won't be burying anyone.

[EJsens1]

1 hour ago, Gian-Luca said:

Pretty much want draws everywhere else with a win for Canada. Maybe an ES win over Panama but don’t see that happening in Panama 

No fans in Panama.  We’ll see.  I find you never know what you’re going to get in games between El Salvador, Jamaica, Honduras, Panama and Costa Rica.  So unpredictable

[Obinna]

4 minutes ago, EJsens1 said:

No fans in Panama.  We’ll see.  I find you never know what you’re going to get in games between El Salvador, Jamaica, Honduras, Panama and Costa Rica.  So unpredictable

I second this. I wouldn't put it past Panama to drop points against El Savlador. They aren't going to sit back and they can't afford to considering they're on 6 points. I smell a draw in this one. 

[Neil R.]

Embrace the dark arts, El Salvador, and CONCACAF your way to an away result tonight.

[TOCanada115]

Remember, El Salvador has only gotten points at home so far. I know they have only played 2 road games, but neither were close. Don’t hold your breath for points in Panama, where they have been VERY good the last 2 WCQ campaigns. 
 

The other 2, I hoping for a draw. We don’t need Jamaica making this a 5 horse race with a win, and the States losing points would be good as well. 
 

Costa Rica can tie Honduras. Would basically eliminate Honduras, who would have to win the last 6 games just to have a chance at 3rd/4th. Keeps Costa Rica at 7 points. 
 

DRAWS ARE MOSTLY ALWAYS THE BEST RESULTS. 

[footballfreak]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

So today, we obviously want El Salvador to beat Panama, and we want Honduras to beat Costa Rica. The less obvious one is Jamaica vs USA. I think I want Jamaica to beat USA, but maybe only if we also beat Mexico. If we lose to Mexico, Jamaica being at 9 points makes me a bit more nervous.

A Costa Rica win serves us better. We want to face a completely hapless Honduras with no chance of qualifying when we play them in January. Conversely, Costa Rica plays Panama next and we want that game to matter for Costa Rica. A Costa Rica loss today and a Panama win would make the gap between them 8 points with 6 games to go. 

A Jamaica win or draw is also good for us. There’s nothing written that says USA are guaranteed a top 3 spot, so anything that keeps us close to them is good for us. It also keeps USA motivated later into the qualifiers which we need - they play Panama on matchday 13 right before we do.Jamaica plays Mexico and then Panama next window. We need a motivated Jamaica in that Panama game.

[boris4c]

Why are there no fans in Panama? And why were there no fans in Jamaica when we played them? Some sort of FIFA sanction I assume? 

[footballfreak]

17 minutes ago, TOCanada115 said:

Remember, El Salvador has only gotten points at home so far. I know they have only played 2 road games, but neither were close. Don’t hold your breath for points in Panama, where they have been VERY good the last 2 WCQ campaigns. 
 

The other 2, I hoping for a draw. We don’t need Jamaica making this a 5 horse race with a win, and the States losing points would be good as well. 
 

Costa Rica can tie Honduras. Would basically eliminate Honduras, who would have to win the last 6 games just to have a chance at 3rd/4th. Keeps Costa Rica at 7 points. 
 

DRAWS ARE MOSTLY ALWAYS THE BEST RESULTS. 

Draws WERE the best results when everyone was close together. Now, virtually any bottom 4 win against the top 4 is the best result for us.

[footballfreak]

Even if El Salvador don’t get a result, we could still get a secondary win if Panama gets drawn into a battle with lots of cards. El Salvador are excellent at that.

The ref seems up for it too.

https://ca.soccerway.com/referees/marco-antonio-ortiz-nava/141068/

Edited November 16, 2021 by footballfreak

[Yoginess]

On 11/13/2021 at 5:29 PM, Free kick said:

I agree.  I looked at the highlights.  On YouTube.  It looks to me that the first two of the Panama goals were gifted.   If there was ever an investigation,  one would think that the Honduran defender #3 (Figueroa) should be first one interrogated.  

I read a book a couple of years ago that touched briefly on match fixing in soccer.  It’s never a whole team that has to be in in the collusion but rather a few select players.  One being a central defender. 

Maybe I'm being overly sensitive to this but I think it's incredibly unfair to make comments like this. Especially about Figueroa, who's had quite a long career in the Premiere League and MLS. To even hint at him being involved in match fixing seems really inappropriate. 

I know that's not exactly what you were trying to say and I'm not going to be naive to the fact that match fixing exists but this just rubs me the wrong way. Even as much as I am team #FH