Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Floortom said: https://www.diez.hn/laseleccion/1478242-498/canada-rival-de-honduras-plantea-mantener-partidos-local-en-toronto-octagonal Honduras has been informed that the match will be in Canada - either Toronto or Montreal. And whether fans will be able to attend or not is still up in the air Bless those Central American tabloids; we wouldn't know what is going on without them! Edited July 15, 2021 by Olympique_de_Marseille zammy67, Club Linesman, sebdeserio and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Just now, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Bless those Central America tabloids; we wouldn't know what is going on without them! Brings me back to the days of scouring the Bermuda and Cayman papers looking for WCQ news Olympique_de_Marseille 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redpunkfiddle Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) Duplicate Edited July 15, 2021 by Redpunkfiddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redpunkfiddle Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Just now, Redpunkfiddle said: Overrun at BMO- not really, at least for WCQ. Friendlies against Peru and Ecuador- maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 The border restrictions will make it harder for fans from the various diasporas coming to Canada for games like this. johnyb, Kadenge, Floortom and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, narduch said: The border restrictions will make it harder for fans from the various diasporas coming to Canada for games like this. We have plenty of people from those diasporas here already. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Obinna said: We have plenty of people from those diasporas here already. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Obinna said: We have plenty of people from those diasporas here already. Yes and no. It may discourage your casual member of the Honduran or Salvadorean diaspora from Buffalo from making the drive to Toronto. For all we know, land border restrictions may remain in place. I think @narduch is probably underestimating the diaspora from both countries in both the GTA and the Grand Montréal but the point is still rather valid. Edited July 15, 2021 by Olympique_de_Marseille Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Generally speaking Canada doesn't have large populations from Central American countries. nfitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, narduch said: Generally speaking Canada doesn't have large populations from Central American countries. Not relative to other ethnic groups, but there are still enough of them. That's not to take away from your point, because it will surely help to have boarders closed. Hopefully we have fans in the stands to learn just how much of an impact the travelling fans make vs the diaspora in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 It's been a long time since our home fans were drowned out by fans from our opposition. Certainly not since 2014 WCQ . Not going to happen Club Linesman and Ruffian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMo Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 15 hours ago, narduch said: The border restrictions will make it harder for fans from the various diasporas coming to Canada for games like this. Looks like (fully vaccinated) Americans will be able to cross the border by August: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-us-border-vaccinations-1.6105110 narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: It is not inconceivable that COVID stats will get worse in Canada by September. The number of infected has grown in the US. El Salvador just imposed new restrictions on gatherings for the next 90 days and want to play their "home" matches in the USA. We are at roughly 70% of the country with one dose and that number probably won't reach 75% by the end of August. (~6 million out of ~38 million are under 15 years old and therefore mostly ineligible for the moment). https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000501 Looks like we've reached a plateau for vaccination rates. With Ontario loosening restrictions as of tomorrow, more people are likely to get infected. Another wave is likely. It's just a question of how high that next wave will be. ---- Trudeau will speak with the Premiers later today: https://globalnews.ca/news/8030863/canada-u-s-border-reopen-expiry-date/ ---- I'm pessimistic about the September matches being played at home if we had to get back to FENAFUTH by today. Projections say Canada fully population vaxxed will be at 75% by August 19. 12+ age at 75% will be reached by July 31. Canada's fully vaxxed is rising 1%/day as of this week which is ranked first amongst G7 & G20 and 3rd amongst OECD. Expected to match US fully vaxxed rate this weekend but not good enough as cases have started to rise again in the US. Edited July 16, 2021 by red card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 The problem we will face which is what the countries that jumped out early with vaccinations are finding now is that once the "thank god im safe" period runs out for people..people will keep getting tested and will find that they have covid The only way forward is to downgrade covid to a seasonal flu and stop publishing the data to the public daily and weekly Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, SpursFlu said: and stop publishing the data to the public daily and weekly Nothing says "sound public policy" like less available data. 🤔 I assume you're not a fan of the census either? 1 hour ago, SpursFlu said: The problem we will face which is what the countries that jumped out early with vaccinations are finding now is that once the "thank god im safe" period runs out for people..people will keep getting tested and will find that they have covid Sounds familiar: BuzzAndSting, RS, dyslexic nam and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I was wondering, could we block or delete the info on the Ocho schedule...I like less information. That way things are a surprise to me when they happen!! nfitz, JohnnyFranchise, Olympique_de_Marseille and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, SpursFlu said: The problem we will face which is what the countries that jumped out early with vaccinations are finding now is that once the "thank god im safe" period runs out for people..people will keep getting tested and will find that they have covid The only way forward is to downgrade covid to a seasonal flu and stop publishing the data to the public daily and weekly Yes, less openness in government reporting is what’s best. Let governments make decisions with sharing information with the populace! /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just now, Bison44 said: I was wondering, could we block or delete the info on the Ocho schedule...I like less information. That way things are a surprise to me when they happen!! Write to the Honduran tabloid Diez and tell them "Slow the interviews down!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Sort of on topic the Blue Jay's will start playing in Toronto again on July 30 johnyb and Floortom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Nothing says "sound public policy" like less available data. 🤔 You mean like the Government of Canada's seasonal flu numbers? More 0s than a Cayman Island goal tally versus Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, SpursFlu said: The problem we will face which is what the countries that jumped out early with vaccinations are finding now is that once the "thank god im safe" period runs out for people..people will keep getting tested and will find that they have covid The only way forward is to downgrade covid to a seasonal flu and stop publishing the data to the public daily and weekly This is Singapore’s stated approach but they will only move there when they are closer to 90% or so vaccinated. They expect to achieve that by 1 Sept. I think that is the reasonable approach. This only becomes like the seasonal flu when the vaccination rates get much higher. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Obinna said: You mean like the Government of Canada's seasonal flu numbers? More 0s than a Cayman Island goal tally versus Canada. Yes. Seriously. Why not? We tend to do this already to an extent. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/flu-influenza/influenza-surveillance.html We don't/won't have the total number of infected like for COVID, but we can at least record the number of people that need to go to hospital or die from the flu and have that data easily accessible. We also record data and publish it for other diseases above the historical baseline. West Nile virus for example. Sometimes if there are a cluster of cases in an area it makes the news. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/west-nile-virus/surveillance-west-nile-virus.html Governments are much better at collecting data (scientists and civil servants) than they are at acting on it ( elected politicians ). Let the government continue to do what it does best; collecting data. Attack bad public policy measures if you think the government isn't doing the right thing based on the data collected, but attacking the collection of data that informs us all is an exercise fraught with peril. Edited July 17, 2021 by Olympique_de_Marseille JohnnyFranchise, narduch, dyslexic nam and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 55 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Nothing says "sound public policy" like less available data. 🤔 I am all for availability of data but as Singapore has stated, publishing Covid numbers everyday in the front page of the newspaper scares people. This is fine when you want to have that effect which has been and still should be the case. But when you want people to start resuming normal activity once vaccination rates are sufficiently high, you probably are in a situation where you want to de-emphasise that and maybe publish every week or so. The issue I see is that countries like the US have opened too fast and they will have big problems come the fall. And the opening up also undermines the vaccination drive as people don’t see the immediate need to do it. Better to stay in some form of lock down and do a full press on vaccinations and then open when you are ready while at the same time de-emphasising Covid after a sufficient trial phase to make sure what you are doing is working lamptern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, An Observer said: I am all for availability of data but as Singapore has stated, publishing Covid numbers everyday in the front page of the newspaper scares people. That's not the issue I was addressing. How the media decides to report on the data released by the various provincial public health agencies is another can of worms. My point was about the collection and availability of the data itself and we seem to agree on that. Edited July 16, 2021 by Olympique_de_Marseille An Observer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Obinna said: You mean like the Government of Canada's seasonal flu numbers? More 0s than a Cayman Island goal tally versus Canada. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/flu-influenza/fluwatcher.html narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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