Unnamed Trialist Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 5 hours ago, VinceA said: I think we're pumping up Pepple too much right now. He's been a pro since 2019, had one good stretch with Cavalry and has been utterly ineffective in every other professional environment he's been in so far. He is young but he has had no stability so far and deciding to try Europe again after failing the first time around instead of staying and playing with Cavalry probably wasn't the best option. We'll see what happens but it looks like he might have a third stint with Cavalry in the near future. When he went to Getafe u-19 after Cavalry he was not "utterly ineffective". He was solid, even scoring, on a solid u-19 team at the top level in Spain. The problem was simple, that was his level. He still needed development, coaching, minutes. Then he promptly spent an entire year without a team, which is bonehead. He should have gone anywhere just to play, to get 30 games in. You can't rely on potential, and his path has not been smooth or logical as you rightly say. And I also agree with you that he's mostly jumped too high up based on positive reviews, overreaching, instead of pacing himself better to get to where he needs to be as a solid pro. The Real Marc and NVsoccer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: When he went to Getafe u-19 after Cavalry he was not "utterly ineffective". He was solid, even scoring, on a solid u-19 team at the top level in Spain. The problem was simple, that was his level. He still needed development, coaching, minutes. Then he promptly spent an entire year without a team, which is bonehead. He should have gone anywhere just to play, to get 30 games in. You can't rely on potential, and his path has not been smooth or logical as you rightly say. And I also agree with you that he's mostly jumped too high up based on positive reviews, overreaching, instead of pacing himself better to get to where he needs to be as a solid pro. He also seems to score a lot when he plays for Luton's U21 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VinceA Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 24 minutes ago, narduch said: The dudes agent needs to be fired. Two goes at Europe and he's failed both. The whole tike he could have been banging in goals for Cavalry and improving all around. Corazon, aredding77, NVsoccer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, VinceA said: The dudes agent needs to be fired. Two goes at Europe and he's failed both. The whole tike he could have been banging in goals for Cavalry and improving all around. It's almost like his agent is like "hey I got you there"....but not realizing it was horrible situations for his development. Less we forget, he has UK citizenship so it should be "easy" to get him in a good situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Can't blaim Aribim and his agent for "getting that bag" when he was playing in the CPL. blueseeka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) Luton is clearly looking to add a punch to their lineup to get out the relegation zone by adding Pepple to the lineup . . . Seriously though, I agree with those who posted before, poor decision by agent pushing the move too early, but also if it was a huge pay raise, I definitely get the move as well Edited January 8 by rydermike Corazon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigandy Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 TBH, his agent deserves a raise. Its ludicrous that pepple got signed to a prem team. Maybe not the best for his long term development... (although you could argue that being around a prem side is more valuable than playing games in the cpl....) however hes much more marketable after being signed to a prem team, likely got a huge payday comparatively, and is still young enough that he can go back to CPL and have a fine career. NVsoccer, Fullback and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 11 hours ago, VinceA said: The dudes agent needs to be fired. Two goes at Europe and he's failed both. The whole tike he could have been banging in goals for Cavalry and improving all around. There's no way anyone is going to turn down a move to an English Premiership club so he can hone his skills in CanPL for longer instead. Any fault involved in this situation is with the competence of Luton Town's scouting staff. NVsoccer, Obinna, johnyb and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 He wouldn’t have been the first player to come out of obscurity and climb his way through the English pyramid step by step, I don’t blame the agent for the move. I think he did have an assist in like his first game with Grimsby, and then not much happened from there on out. I think he needs to come back to Canada and spend a couple years lighting up the CPL before trying to move back overseas. He’s still only 21. Still plenty of time to develop into a good player. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) For the record, Luton were in the Championship when Pepple moved there. The other club he was linked with, Forest Green, were in League One. They have since relegated and are now in the League Two relegation zone as well. Edited January 9 by narduch johnyb, The Real Marc, NVsoccer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On loan to Inverness CT lowlander, johnyb, Aird25 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 That's actually a higher level then I expected him to land Unnamed Trialist, The Real Marc and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Solid move. No let's get some minutes! K Edgar, Obinna, Shway and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 52 minutes ago, narduch said: That's actually a higher level then I expected him to land well isn't the SPFL (outside of Celtic and Rangers) considered EFL League 1 level here? So then maybe the Championship is like National League. At that point, he's at his level.🙄 narduch, toontownman and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, jordan said: On loan to Inverness CT Trois Reds, johnyb, aredding77 and 8 others 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdheid Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hope he can show some of the quality he did in the CPL. Despite his lack of success in Europe thus far, I firmly believe he's capable of reaching a good level some day. ray and K Edgar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 14 hours ago, Shway said: well isn't the SPFL (outside of Celtic and Rangers) considered EFL League 1 level here? So then maybe the Championship is like National League. At that point, he's at his level.🙄 This loan may reveal a lot about where Pepple is at. With Grimsby Town in League Two he scored 0 goals, but he's young and it was his first loan, so whatever. With Bromley he dropped a level down, played less games and scored 0 goals. That's more concerning. If he drops a dud here I will be seriously concerned, but if he blows the doors off I can forgive the first two loans and chalk it up to growing pains. Does success here set him up for a higher level loan next season, maybe in the SPL or League One? I think he's going to have to impress with that calibre of loan to get a real chance at Luton Town, who will probably be in the English Championship next season. Even if he scores 10 or more goals here I can't see that translating to minutes with Luton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Its not a great level but he needs to show something. Still young, hopefully gets chance to develop. Ivan, jordan and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 A manager like Big Dunc could be good here, a lot of experience in the position he plays in. But they did bring in a striker from Ross county who hit the ground running, will still need to earn his spot. WestHamCanadianinOxford and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Good for him. I would assume he has a spot saved for him somewhere in the CPL, so the fact that he chose to play in Scotland instead means he’s still holding on to making it in Europe. 1 hour ago, Obinna said: This loan may reveal a lot about where Pepple is at. With Grimsby Town in League Two he scored 0 goals, but he's young and it was his first loan, so whatever. With Bromley he dropped a level down, played less games and scored 0 goals. That's more concerning. If he drops a dud here I will be seriously concerned, but if he blows the doors off I can forgive the first two loans and chalk it up to growing pains. Does success here set him up for a higher level loan next season, maybe in the SPL or League One? I think he's going to have to impress with that calibre of loan to get a real chance at Luton Town, who will probably be in the English Championship next season. Even if he scores 10 or more goals here I can't see that translating to minutes with Luton. From what I inferred from his playing time and what fans are saying, I wonder what goes on in training. He had an assist or two for Grimsby and then never played and when they brought in new players during the transfer window I don’t even think he made the bench after. Barely played with Bromley as well. It seems like these clubs don’t even trust him enough to give him any sort of run. On the other hand, it seems like he’s scored a decent amount for Luton’s U21s. But all this points to him maybe struggling with basic tactical assignments and understanding the game? I think success for him is going to look more like what we’re seeing with Theo Corbeanu now but on a smaller scale. Maybe he goes from Scottish Championship to a smaller SPFL club, does well, Luton sells him to, I dunno, a team in Sweden, he does well there and maybe ends up in Belgium or Germany or somewhere. He’s obviously very talented, but he may not have the technical skill or game IQ for managers to trust him. the National League is no joke of a league, but the fact that he wasn’t able to play consistently with Bromley does point to potential significant issues with coaches trusting him in competitive games. Edited February 2 by InglewoodJack Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, Obinna said: This loan may reveal a lot about where Pepple is at. With Grimsby Town in League Two he scored 0 goals, but he's young and it was his first loan, so whatever. With Bromley he dropped a level down, played less games and scored 0 goals. That's more concerning. If he drops a dud here I will be seriously concerned, but if he blows the doors off I can forgive the first two loans and chalk it up to growing pains. Does success here set him up for a higher level loan next season, maybe in the SPL or League One? I think he's going to have to impress with that calibre of loan to get a real chance at Luton Town, who will probably be in the English Championship next season. Even if he scores 10 or more goals here I can't see that translating to minutes with Luton. TLDR: 1 hour ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: Its not a great level but he needs to show something. Still young, hopefully gets chance to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, InglewoodJack said: Good for him. I would assume he has a spot saved for him somewhere in the CPL, so the fact that he chose to play in Scotland instead means he’s still holding on to making it in Europe. From what I inferred from his playing time and what fans are saying, I wonder what goes on in training. He had an assist or two for Grimsby and then never played and when they brought in new players during the transfer window I don’t even think he made the bench after. Barely played with Bromley as well. It seems like these clubs don’t even trust him enough to give him any sort of run. On the other hand, it seems like he’s scored a decent amount for Luton’s U21s. But all this points to him maybe struggling with basic tactical assignments and understanding the game? I think success for him is going to look more like what we’re seeing with Theo Corbeanu now but on a smaller scale. Maybe he goes from Scottish Championship to a smaller SPFL club, does well, Luton sells him to, I dunno, a team in Sweden, he does well there and maybe ends up in Belgium or Germany or somewhere. He’s obviously very talented, but he may not have the technical skill or game IQ for managers to trust him. the National League is no joke of a league, but the fact that he wasn’t able to play consistently with Bromley does point to potential significant issues with coaches trusting him in competitive games. It might even be more simple than that. Maybe it's just that he didn't score. You know how these things go, you score on your debut, you get a run out next game. You score again, you're 2-for-2, now you have the managers trust for a few games. Score another goal in the next 3 matches? You're 3 for 5 now, and you're definitely getting an extended run in the team. This is true regardless of age. Look at Ugbo at Cardiff City. Maybe he underwealmed in some aspects, but he scored early and often, which earned him more and more chances. Once his goals dried up, so did his minutes. Unlike Ugbo, Pepple didn't score at any point, unfortunately, so perhaps he didn't give himself a chance. johnyb and The Real Marc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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