Watchmen Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, SpursFlu said: Sure I'm not saying he's a hard worker or has the best attitude. Im just saying he's playing out of position and everyone is likely saying hey your 6'4 just work and man handle everyone.. whats your problem? I think he's being type cast and its detrimental to him. I've observed on here several times that he's clearly not a run thru a wall type of guy. All the more reason for him not to play forward. Playing forward is as much a mental thing as a physical thing. Look at Cavallini, he loves the combat and he kinda comes across as a jerk. Great, perfect for a CF. Bair is not that, no matter how badly people think he should be Yes, I get your argument on him being a winger. But that position would still require him to track back. So if he's not working hard enough in practice, there's not a chance they're going to give him the opportunity in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 50 minutes ago, Watchmen said: Yes, I get your argument on him being a winger. But that position would still require him to track back. So if he's not working hard enough in practice, there's not a chance they're going to give him the opportunity in a game. And they've spent good money bringing in good wingers. 2 Colombians So I think loan him and hopefully wherever he goes he plays out wide. And yes I agree he needs to be more engaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 If Theo Bair doesn't make it with the 'Caps, it'll be mostly on MDS for me. I watched him playing with the U23 development team, managed by Nick Dasovic, and he ran non-stop for 90 minutes. He was played as a CF, but not as your stereotypical lump with his back to goal, trading elbows with the CBs. He made decent runs into the channels and led the press very effectively. If Dasovic could get that out of him, why can't a supposedly better, more qualified manager in MDS? If you compare Bair's performances when he first broke into the team to now, it's quite clear that the longer he's under the management of MDS, the worse he's become as a player. Loan him out to somewhere that he can be played properly and bring him back after MDS inevitably gets sacked. Footyeh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 14 hours ago, SthMelbRed said: I watched him playing with the U23 development team, managed by Nick Dasovic, and he ran non-stop for 90 minutes. That's not happening now. I wouldn't be surprised for it to be more of a personality clash between coach and players (because I would also put Cornelius in that boat). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, BearcatSA said: That's not happening now. I wouldn't be surprised for it to be more of a personality clash between coach and players (because I would also put Cornelius in that boat). So basically what you are saying is that the Vancouver Whitecaps hate Canada. longlugan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 9 hours ago, BearcatSA said: That's not happening now. I wouldn't be surprised for it to be more of a personality clash between coach and players (because I would also put Cornelius in that boat). I'm not convinced that MDS has either the tactical nous or people management skills to ever be a good manager at anything higher than USL level. He'll probably get sacked by the 'Caps at some point this season, and I won't put it past him to then become a very successful manager in the CanPL in Ottawa or for a future Montreal club. However, I don't think he'll ever prove to be an MLS-level manager of any worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I don’t think MDS has been particularly great but I’m not sure what people are seeing from Bair to suggest he’s being robbed of an opportunity. I didn’t think he was impressive with the U23 team and he really isn’t showing much in MLS either. red card and lamptern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, ag futbol said: I don’t think MDS has been particularly great but I’m not sure what people are seeing from Bair to suggest he’s being robbed of an opportunity. I didn’t think he was impressive with the U23 team and he really isn’t showing much in MLS either. He looked like a really bright prospect 2 years ago when he made his first MLS appearances. Since then, MDS has sucked the life out of him as a player. His performances continue to decline under MDS' management. If Dasovic could make him look like a player, why can't a supposedly better manager like MDS get anything out of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I'm gonna go off the board on this one. I blame Schuster. He's the one who insisted that Bair was a CF. I think Schuster is looking at him as a camodity and thinking in what perfect scenario can we get the most in return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 AFTN podcast today mentioned that Bair will be going out on loan. Does t know where yet though. Facchineri will also be going out on loan. Dominic94 and NVsoccer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I wonder where he is headed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Maybe I am undervaluing both of them at this stage in their career but i think CPL would be great for both of them. Bair needs to play regularly and get his mojo and confidence back. He probably has top tier talent compared to most in the CPL but this should give an opportunity to do that in an environment where he is likely guaranteed minutes which he needs. Facchineri was there last year and got little playing time (didn’t look ready) but a year on, this perhaps could be the right level for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) He’s from Ottawa, right, could they use another attacking option? Edited August 6, 2021 by Aird25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I don't see Bair being in Vancouver after this season. He doesn't fit the "run your arse off" ethos that Schuster wants from his forward players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Change of environment should be good for him. Denmark seems to be the MLS loan Hotspot. Wouldn't mind seeing him toughened up somewhere like Scotland or joining Corbeanu and likely Jebbison in league one. dyslexic nam, johnyb and Dominic94 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, toontownman said: Change of environment should be good for him. Denmark seems to be the MLS loan Hotspot. Wouldn't mind seeing him toughened up somewhere like Scotland or joining Corbeanu and likely Jebbison in league one. I think it will be a rent-to-own loan somewhere, not unlike Cornelius. Maybe even Greece. toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 johnyb, dyslexic nam and Obinna 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Just now, jordan said: Better to be playing there than watching in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: Better to be playing there than watching in Vancouver. If he impresses enough to get minutes, that is. He has to earn his time so I hope he makes it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Honestly, Norway works pretty well. Season runs the same as MLS. And I remember Hurtado going over to Norway and thinking that he came back a changed player. Not a better finisher, but with a changed attitude. That he realized how hard he had to work to actually achieve anything, that Europe is a grind even in lower leagues. I hope Bair learns the same lesson. toontownman, johnyb and dyslexic nam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Watchmen said: Honestly, Norway works pretty well. Season runs the same as MLS. And I remember Hurtado going over to Norway and thinking that he came back a changed player. Not a better finisher, but with a changed attitude. That he realized how hard he had to work to actually achieve anything, that Europe is a grind even in lower leagues. I hope Bair learns the same lesson. All true, but Hurtado went to the top flight and Theo will be going to the 1.division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Watchmen said: Honestly, Norway works pretty well. Season runs the same as MLS. And I remember Hurtado going over to Norway and thinking that he came back a changed player. Not a better finisher, but with a changed attitude. That he realized how hard he had to work to actually achieve anything, that Europe is a grind even in lower leagues. I hope Bair learns the same lesson. Hopefully that indeed happens but he has been watching his competitors for minutes on the Caps collectively work their arses off on the field during training and in games, so he has had ample opportunity to match their graft and earn his place. I still think that this is more of a rent-to-own where he impresses enough to get a transfer and the club can make some dough. Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, jordan said: That is Norway 2nd tier, so he should be able to make a mark. That said, they are currently leading their league half way through, so they are competitive. He'll have to produce. This is a loan that runs for another 17 matches, until November. He was good two years ago, he just seems to have lost a bit of confidence, touch, and needs minutes. Hoping it works out for him. Obinna, Ivan, BearcatSA and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Good start for Bair. johnyb, Kadenge, Norrin Radd and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Watchmen said: Good start for Bair. Happy to see him score. Must be extremely relieved considering that over-exuberant celly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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