kacbru Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Stryker911 said: In the 7 years I have been recording Montreal leads the way with 58215 minutes, followed by USA with 57552, Toronto at 51935 and Vancouver just behind at 51784. So you're saying the Whitecaps still hate Canada? 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernal Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 😎😎😎 Corazon, MtlMario, johnyb and 9 others 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Infernal said: 😎😎😎 I hope this is like the US Soccer's march to Brazil from 2014. They docu series was fantastic. Floortom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Canadians in MLS The last breakdown of the year for Canadian's in MLS. I don't have the entire history of data for MLS but I would bet that we set many records for Canadians this season including most goals, assists, minutes and active players. By the numbers (approximates): 52,749 - The total number of minutes played by Canadians this season. In comparison to 2021 (45,404) 2020 (26,227) 2019 (31,309). 51 - The total number of Canadians who played in the MLS Regular season. In comparison to 2021 (45) 2020 (41) 2019 (32). 60 - The number of goals scored by Canadians this season. In comparison to 2021 (44) 2020 (35) 2019 (42). 66 - The number of assists provided by Canadians this season (including St Clair). In comparison to 2021 (53) 2020 (27) 2019 (36). Canadian Player Minutes by Club Montreal - 12,993 minutes - 16,053 minutes including Goalkeeping Toronto - 14,954 minutes Vancouver - 7,615 minutes - 9,440 minutes including Goalkeeping US MLS Teams - 5,919 minutes - 11,724 minutes including Goalkeeping Stats provided by MLS.com. Player Team POS GP GS MP G A P% T INT Duel % Joel Waterman Montreal CB 30 30 2673 3 4 88.5% 17 36 54.6% Alistair Johnston Montreal RB 33 30 2648 4 5 85.2% 27 32 48.4% Kamal Miller Montreal CB 27 26 2298 2 3 84.4% 14 29 60.5% Raheem Edwards Los Angeles LB 30 27 2281 1 6 82.0% 44 33 51.4% Russell Teibert Vancouver CM 29 24 2043 0 1 82.8% 19 33 37.3% Jayden Nelson Toronto LW 31 25 1982 1 2 82.8% 22 13 41.4% Mark Anthony Kaye Toronto CM 25 22 1908 3 3 85.3% 29 29 42.3% Lukas MacNaughton Toronto CB 25 20 1789 0 0 84.8% 6 26 56.7% Jonathan Osorio Toronto CM 23 20 1690 9 6 90.8% 18 22 54.9% Luca Petrasso Toronto LB 23 21 1684 0 4 74.3% 13 18 50.9% Kosi Thompson Toronto RB 24 19 1625 1 2 78.4% 16 30 54.5% Ismael Kone Montreal CM 26 18 1587 2 5 86.3% 5 12 59.5% Lucas Cavallini Vancouver ST 24 16 1519 9 2 74.0% 10 4 50.0% Samuel Piette Montreal CM 26 16 1486 0 3 90.0% 22 14 49.6% Ryan Raposo Vancouver CM 30 17 1440 2 3 77.2% 11 23 54.9% Mathieu Choiniere Montreal CM 26 15 1384 2 1 86.2% 19 11 52.8% Deandre Kerr Toronto CM 26 11 1301 3 0 76.9% 10 9 45.3% Ayo Akinola Toronto ST 26 14 1241 2 0 73.7% 6 2 38.8% Jacob Shaffelburg Nashville LW 21 13 1088 2 1 62.1% 11 9 53.7% Marcus Godinho Vancouver RB 23 12 1018 0 1 83.5% 11 7 58.9% Richie Laryea Toronto RB 10 10 865 0 3 90.6% 6 7 56.9% Tyler Pasher New York Red Bulls ST 17 5 622 2 1 82.5% 3 1 40.7% Zach Brault-Guillard Montreal RB 18 5 619 4 3 83.2% 6 8 32.3% Cristian Gutierrez Vancouver LB 11 6 613 0 1 85.5% 8 7 61.9% Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty Toronto RB 17 5 613 0 0 88.4% 11 13 62.9% Tesho Akindele Orlando ST 27 4 591 3 0 70.7% 4 3 45.5% Ralph Priso-Mbongue Colorado CM 16 7 464 1 0 81.6% 15 10 80.0% Kadin Chung Toronto RB 8 5 451 0 1 82.5% 10 8 60.4% Michael Baldisimo Vancouver CM 13 4 450 0 0 82.7% 8 2 39.4% Tosaint Ricketts Vancouver ST 23 2 431 4 1 69.6% 3 0 44.7% Noble Okello Toronto CM 8 4 349 0 0 75.0% 5 7 61.0% Doneil Henry Toronto CB 12 2 273 0 0 80.8% 3 4 76.9% Jacen Russell-Rowe Columbus ST 6 3 227 0 2 66.7% 3 1 54.2% Jordan Peruzza Toronto ST 13 1 223 0 0 63.6% 0 0 42.1% Zorhan Bassong Montreal LB 10 1 181 0 0 82.1% 0 2 35.3% Rida Zouhir Montreal CM 5 1 117 0 0 77.0% 0 0 42.9% Mo Farsi Columbus RB 7 0 79 0 1 83.0% 2 1 63.6% Ali Ahmed Vancouver CM 2 0 54 0 0 87.0% 0 1 71.4% Easton Ongaro Vancouver ST 1 1 45 0 0 83.3% 0 0 0.0% Themi Antonoglou Toronto CM 2 0 39 0 0 69.2% 1 0 83.3% Steffen Yeates Toronto CM 2 0 31 0 0 76.9% 1 0 50.0% Hugo Mbongue Toronto ST 1 0 22 0 0 100.0% 0 0 100.0% Kobe Franklin Toronto RB 1 0 13 0 0 100.0% 0 0 50.0% Emiliano Brienza Vancouver ST 1 0 2 0 0 83.3% 0 0 0.0% Shaan Hundal Miami CM Callum Montgomery Minnesota CB Tani Oluwaseyi Minnesota ST Jean-Aniel Assi Montreal ST Karifa Yao Montreal CB Keesean Ferdinand Montreal CB Nathan-Dylan Saliba Montreal CM Sean Rea Montreal CM Tomas Giraldo Montreal CM O'Vonte Mullings New York Red Bulls ST Adam Pearlman Toronto DF Luke Singh Toronto CB Mehdi Essoussi Toronto CM Damiano Pecile Vancouver CM Derek Cornelious Vancouver CB Lowell Wright Vancouver ST Kamron Habibullah Vancouver CM Matteo Campagna Vancouver CM Simon Colyn Vancouver CM Vasco Fry Vancouver ST Player Team POS GP GS MP S S % P% GA GAA Wins Maxime Crepeau Los Angeles GK 33 33 2970 76 67.9% 66.8% 36 1.09 21 Dayne St Clair Minnesota GK 32 32 2835 109 69.4% 58.2% 48 1.52 14 Sebastian Breza Montreal GK 23 23 2070 51 57.3% 76.6% 38 1.65 13 James Pantemis Montreal GK 11 11 990 26 68.4% 79.7% 12 1.09 7 Thomas Hasal Vancouver GK 17 17 1510 49 64.5% 53.0% 27 1.61 6 Isaac Boehmer Vancouver GK 3 2 225 8 66.7% 56.1% 4 1.6 0 Max Anchor Vancouver GK 1 1 90 4 66.7% 58.3% 2 2 0 Jonathan Sirois Montreal GK Greg Ranjitsingh Toronto GK Luka Gavran Toronto GK Ben Alexander Vancouver GK Nikolaos Giantsopoulos Vancouver GK Edited October 12, 2022 by Corazon Obinna, Kadenge, Club Linesman and 13 others 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, Corazon said: Canadians in MLS The last breakdown of the year for Canadian's in MLS. I don't have the entire history of data for MLS but I would bet that we set many records for Canadians this season including most goals, assists, minutes and active players. By the numbers (approximates): 52,749 - The total number of minutes played by Canadians this season. In comparison to 2021 (45,404) 2020 (26,227) 2019 (31,309). 51 - The total number of Canadians who played in the MLS Regular season. In comparison to 2021 (45) 2020 (41) 2019 (32). 60 - The number of goals scored by Canadians this season. In comparison to 2021 (44) 2020 (35) 2019 (42). 66 - The number of assists provided by Canadians this season (including St Clair). In comparison to 2021 (53) 2020 (27) 2019 (36). Canadian Player Minutes by Club Montreal - 12,993 minutes - 16,053 minutes including Goalkeeping Toronto - 14,954 minutes Vancouver - 7,615 minutes - 9,440 minutes including Goalkeeping US MLS Teams - 5,919 minutes - 11,724 minutes including Goalkeeping Stats provided by MLS.com. Player Team POS GP GS MP G A P% T INT Duel % Joel Waterman Montreal CB 30 30 2673 3 4 88.5% 17 36 54.6% Alistair Johnston Montreal RB 33 30 2648 4 5 85.2% 27 32 48.4% Kamal Miller Montreal CB 27 26 2298 2 3 84.4% 14 29 60.5% Raheem Edwards Los Angeles LB 30 27 2281 1 6 82.0% 44 33 51.4% Russell Teibert Vancouver CM 29 24 2043 0 1 82.8% 19 33 37.3% Jayden Nelson Toronto LW 31 25 1982 1 2 82.8% 22 13 41.4% Mark Anthony Kaye Toronto CM 25 22 1908 3 3 85.3% 29 29 42.3% Lukas MacNaughton Toronto CB 25 20 1789 0 0 84.8% 6 26 56.7% Jonathan Osorio Toronto CM 23 20 1690 9 6 90.8% 18 22 54.9% Luca Petrasso Toronto LB 23 21 1684 0 4 74.3% 13 18 50.9% Kosi Thompson Toronto RB 24 19 1625 1 2 78.4% 16 30 54.5% Ismael Kone Montreal CM 26 18 1587 2 5 86.3% 5 12 59.5% Lucas Cavallini Vancouver ST 24 16 1519 9 2 74.0% 10 4 50.0% Samuel Piette Montreal CM 26 16 1486 0 3 90.0% 22 14 49.6% Ryan Raposo Vancouver CM 30 17 1440 2 3 77.2% 11 23 54.9% Mathieu Choiniere Montreal CM 26 15 1384 2 1 86.2% 19 11 52.8% Deandre Kerr Toronto CM 26 11 1301 3 0 76.9% 10 9 45.3% Ayo Akinola Toronto ST 26 14 1241 2 0 73.7% 6 2 38.8% Jacob Shaffelburg Nashville LW 21 13 1088 2 1 62.1% 11 9 53.7% Marcus Godinho Vancouver RB 23 12 1018 0 1 83.5% 11 7 58.9% Richie Laryea Toronto RB 10 10 865 0 3 90.6% 6 7 56.9% Tyler Pasher New York Red Bulls ST 17 5 622 2 1 82.5% 3 1 40.7% Zach Brault-Guillard Montreal RB 18 5 619 4 3 83.2% 6 8 32.3% Cristian Gutierrez Vancouver LB 11 6 613 0 1 85.5% 8 7 61.9% Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty Toronto RB 17 5 613 0 0 88.4% 11 13 62.9% Tesho Akindele Orlando ST 27 4 591 3 0 70.7% 4 3 45.5% Ralph Priso-Mbongue Colorado CM 16 7 464 1 0 81.6% 15 10 80.0% Kadin Chung Toronto RB 8 5 451 0 1 82.5% 10 8 60.4% Michael Baldisimo Vancouver CM 13 4 450 0 0 82.7% 8 2 39.4% Tosaint Ricketts Vancouver ST 23 2 431 4 1 69.6% 3 0 44.7% Noble Okello Toronto CM 8 4 349 0 0 75.0% 5 7 61.0% Doneil Henry Toronto CB 12 2 273 0 0 80.8% 3 4 76.9% Jacen Russell-Rowe Columbus ST 6 3 227 0 2 66.7% 3 1 54.2% Jordan Peruzza Toronto ST 13 1 223 0 0 63.6% 0 0 42.1% Zorhan Bassong Montreal LB 10 1 181 0 0 82.1% 0 2 35.3% Rida Zouhir Montreal CM 5 1 117 0 0 77.0% 0 0 42.9% Mo Farsi Columbus RB 7 0 79 0 1 83.0% 2 1 63.6% Ali Ahmed Vancouver CM 2 0 54 0 0 87.0% 0 1 71.4% Easton Ongaro Vancouver ST 1 1 45 0 0 83.3% 0 0 0.0% Themi Antonoglou Toronto CM 2 0 39 0 0 69.2% 1 0 83.3% Steffen Yeates Toronto CM 2 0 31 0 0 76.9% 1 0 50.0% Hugo Mbongue Toronto ST 1 0 22 0 0 100.0% 0 0 100.0% Kobe Franklin Toronto RB 1 0 13 0 0 100.0% 0 0 50.0% Emiliano Brienza Vancouver ST 1 0 2 0 0 83.3% 0 0 0.0% Shaan Hundal Miami CM Callum Montgomery Minnesota CB Tani Oluwaseyi Minnesota ST Jean-Aniel Assi Montreal ST Karifa Yao Montreal CB Keesean Ferdinand Montreal CB Nathan-Dylan Saliba Montreal CM Sean Rea Montreal CM Tomas Giraldo Montreal CM O'Vonte Mullings New York Red Bulls ST Adam Pearlman Toronto DF Luke Singh Toronto CB Mehdi Essoussi Toronto CM Damiano Pecile Vancouver CM Derek Cornelious Vancouver CB Lowell Wright Vancouver ST Kamron Habibullah Vancouver CM Matteo Campagna Vancouver CM Simon Colyn Vancouver CM Vasco Fry Vancouver ST Player Team POS GP GS MP S S % P% GA GAA Wins Maxime Crepeau Los Angeles GK 33 33 2970 76 67.9% 66.8% 36 1.09 21 Dayne St Clair Minnesota GK 32 32 2835 109 69.4% 58.2% 48 1.52 14 Sebastian Breza Montreal GK 23 23 2070 51 57.3% 76.6% 38 1.65 13 James Pantemis Montreal GK 11 11 990 26 68.4% 79.7% 12 1.09 7 Thomas Hasal Vancouver GK 17 17 1510 49 64.5% 53.0% 27 1.61 6 Isaac Boehmer Vancouver GK 3 2 225 8 66.7% 56.1% 4 1.6 0 Max Anchor Vancouver GK 1 1 90 4 66.7% 58.3% 2 2 0 Jonathan Sirois Montreal GK Greg Ranjitsingh Toronto GK Luka Gavran Toronto GK Ben Alexander Vancouver GK Nikolaos Giantsopoulos Vancouver GK Osorio's goal involvements are ridiculously good given his relative lack of playing time. He probably should've been invited to the All-Star Game over Carles Gil. Corazon, h coach, Obinna and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Who would've thought a few years ago that Joel Waterman would be the Canadian leader in MLS minutes played? costarg, Bison44, Ruffian and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasi Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Just saw the #wecan documentary. The 1st episode is great. I got a link in the canada red email. So if any of you have canada red go to your email. Im assuming that it will drop on youtube for everyone soon. PegCityCam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Love having as many Canadians playing as possible obviously, but the fact that TFC has the most non-goalie minutes for Canadians, yet the top 5 Canadians per minutes all play elsewhere might be a good sign that TFC is maybe playing the wrong Canadians, haha. I don't follow the Whitecaps much, but I'm surprised to see Teibert as the 4th most minutes. Free kick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Vasi said: Just saw the #wecan documentary. The 1st episode is great. I got a link in the canada red email. So if any of you have canada red go to your email. Im assuming that it will drop on youtube for everyone soon. 4 mins in and I've watched 6, real deep fucking nose swabs. Good grief if I never have to see another in my life... PastPros, GasPed, RS and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dag Nasty Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 6:07 PM, dyslexic nam said: Really interesting stats - and very cool that you take the time to do this. thankyou can brother. love the red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Video is cued or start at 53:55 Nello 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 RDS aired a Qatar preview show last night. Direction Qatar will be on again Saturday at 915 EDT just before Canada plays Japan in u17 WWC. But they have posted 2 interviews. One in English with Tino Lettieri - learned him & Segota were suspended for France match because they missed the ferry to Victoria for a practice. Second is with French keeper Joel Bats who was also a coach with CFM. https://www.rds.ca/videos/soccer/coupe-du-monde-tino-lettieri-revient-sur-la-coupe-du-monde-1986-soccer-3.1413106 https://www.rds.ca/videos/soccer/coupe-du-monde-joel-bats-se-souvient-de-france-canada-a-la-cdm-de-1986-soccer-3.1413105 MtlMario and gigi riva 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 21 hours ago, InglewoodJack said: I don't follow the Whitecaps much, but I'm surprised to see Teibert as the 4th most minutes. I'm not surprised whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Pleasantly surprised Canada Soccer has its own stand alone display - though it could be Fanatics. Seen in Shoppers. Kadenge, Corazon, MtlMario and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGAA_Star Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 23 hours ago, red card said: Pleasantly surprised Canada Soccer has its own stand alone display - though it could be Fanatics. Seen in Shoppers. I definitely would especially since the World Cup is just a month away...gotta get ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Thought this guy's predictions were interesting (video is cued or start at 29:58) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sose Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Joe MacCarthy said: Thought this guy's predictions were interesting (video is cued or start at 29:58) I don't see so many high scoring draws in the group but you never know johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 IMO our top 21 players pick themselves, Kone of course being the latest and last guy to play himself onto the team and possibly onto the pitch in Qatar. 5 spots left. Squad players highly unlikely to see the pitch. Of the following list, 5 will make the team. 5 will be left out. Who you got? Ugbo - A regular on the squad since he chose Canada, but do we need to bring a 4th striker? Probably. Millar - A regular the entire cycle. Not a difference maker but I'm sure it's useful to have his speed and quality out there to keep our defenders sharp in training. Henry - Our enforcer. Needs to be in that dressing room. Herdman likes his leadership. If he's healthy he's on the flight. Corbeanu - Currently playing the best soccer of his career. Will be a very important player next cycle, would be good to give him the experience. Cornelius - I trust him on the pitch more than Henry and Waterman. But, how many centre backs do we need? Wotherspoon - It breaks my heart to leave him out, but with his injury and the rise of Kone I don't think there's a spot for him unless Osorio is ruled out due to injury. Waterman - Limited, but good at what he does. Having a great run with the Impact. Familiarity with Piette, Miller and Johnston could see him sneak in. Brym - Should not be on this list but he's undoubtedly a Herdman project for the future. Edwards - Having a career year with LA. Fraser - Has played above expectations every time he's put the Canada shirt on. Corazon, jhoops__, costarg and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Similar to what I posted here about Platt and KJ's picks and where we stand now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: IMO our top 21 players pick themselves, Kone of course being the latest and last guy to play himself onto the team and possibly onto the pitch in Qatar. 5 spots left. Squad players highly unlikely to see the pitch. Of the following list, 5 will make the team. 5 will be left out. Who you got? Ugbo - A regular on the squad since he chose Canada, but do we need to bring a 4th striker? Probably. Millar - A regular the entire cycle. Not a difference maker but I'm sure it's useful to have his speed and quality out there to keep our defenders sharp in training. Henry - Our enforcer. Needs to be in that dressing room. Herdman likes his leadership. If he's healthy he's on the flight. Corbeanu - Currently playing the best soccer of his career. Will be a very important player next cycle, would be good to give him the experience. Cornelius - I trust him on the pitch more than Henry and Waterman. But, how many centre backs do we need? Wotherspoon - It breaks my heart to leave him out, but with his injury and the rise of Kone I don't think there's a spot for him unless Osorio is ruled out due to injury. Waterman - Limited, but good at what he does. Having a great run with the Impact. Familiarity with Piette, Miller and Johnston could see him sneak in. Brym - Should not be on this list but he's undoubtedly a Herdman project for the future. Edwards - Having a career year with LA. Fraser - Has played above expectations every time he's put the Canada shirt on. One thing for Waterman is he's arguably the best passer in the pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, VinceA said: One thing for Waterman is he's arguably the best passer in the pool. That he is indeed. Unfortunately, his defensive game is the worst in the pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 I was looking at the list of players the other day and wondering who would be the difference makers at Qatar. Here's what I can up with. In no particular order. These are the players I think will be definite stand outs. Buchanan Kone Eustaquio Vitoria Davies David Larin If it comes to pass that a couple of others will come forth and shine (Hoilett, Johnston, Miller) all the better for our chances to move on from the round of 16 to the quarter finals. :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, BrennanFan said: Henry - Our enforcer. Needs to be in that dressing room. Herdman likes his leadership. If he's healthy he's on the flight. This is one I have to disagree with. Henry was useful in concacaf when having an enforcer like him was beneficial, even necessary. Along with concacaf's hostile environments, we were seen as a team who could be pushed around, stepped on, bullied, and rightfully so. However, these hostile environments, as well as any remaining vestige of a meek and mild Canada, are long gone. Henry's services are no longer needed. I would even argue that, as things stand right now with this team, any one of our guys would step into that enforcer role if the situation called for it. No hesitation. And unlike Henry, they would most likely do so without the constant threat of going overboard (Cava excluded lol). The fact that he hasn't played in forever and couldn't get mins on TFC is enough to leave him off. Edited October 18, 2022 by PegCityCam costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 29 minutes ago, Sal333 said: I was looking at the list of players the other day and wondering who would be the difference makers at Qatar. Here's what I can up with. In no particular order. These are the players I think will be definite stand outs. Buchanan Kone Eustaquio Vitoria Davies David Larin If it comes to pass that a couple of others will come forth and shine (Hoilett, Johnston, Miller) all the better for our chances to move on from the round of 16 to the quarter finals. :-). If our keeper isn't on that list we're screwed 😉 costarg and Kadenge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: If our keeper isn't on that list we're screwed 😉 Vitoria will make sure he doesn't have to work up a sweat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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