What should our gold cup lineup be?

[Ivan]

1 hour ago, IceCreamMan said:

Seems like Cordova and somehow Fresenga has already passed Dixon on the RB depth chart. Have to think its either Cordova or Ledgerwood at RB with no Ouimette. 

Does anyone else find it strange that none of the Deltas (Bekker, Tissot, Ouimette or Attakora) were called? Some people were talking about Attakora as a starter recently. 

Dixon did not impress me vs. TFC (including live in Toronto) so no surprise there.  Also, no surprise to me that Bekker, Tissot, Ouimette and Attakora weren't called, although of those 4, I prefer Tissot.  I still don't understand Fresenga's inclusion.

[IceCreamMan]

7 minutes ago, harrycoyster said:

After the roster deadline the CSA is only allowed to pay players on the roster. So, maybe if they train for free? I can't recall cut players from a roster ever training with the team though.

That makes sense but if you are an Andres Fresenga or a Nicolas Galvis I would think you would take the opportunity to train and learn from the pros even if you aren't getting paid. Guys like Bekker and Attakora would obviously prefer to stay and play for their club teams hence why it would make more sense to fill spots 30-40 with them. 

[Dominic94]

2 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

So you're advocating not bringing Ricketts, a proven threat at a good level who can help this team win now, so that we take another relatively unproven forward or an unproven mid because of "future?"

No, I'm saying that by the logic of giving TFC a break we should of left Rickets at home.

 

2 hours ago, canta15 said:

I'd rather have a good mixture of youth and experience compared to all youth

 

Edit: Sorry i made 3 separate posts

Same, but at the same time what about Chapman and Hamilton instead of Choniere and Awuah ? 

2 hours ago, Moldy9 said:

Ask Bunbury. Teal that is. 

Lol, kinda sad for him, but I mean he owned his decision atleast.

[DannyFromToronto23]

 MY CANADA’S 23-MAN LIST FOR GOLD CUP 2017 
GK- Milan Borjan # 18 
GK- Maxime Crépeau # 20
GK- Jayson Leutwiler # 1 
CB- Dejan Jaković # 4 
CB- Manjrekar James # 3 
CB- Steven Vitória # 5 
FB- Samuel Adekugbe # 16 
FB- Juan Córdova # 2 
FB- Marcel de Jong # 17 
M- Fraser Aird # 12
M- Tesho Akindele # 23 
M- Scott Arfield # 6 
M- Kwame Awuah # 13 
M- Alphonso Davies # 19 
M- Raheem Edwards # 22
M- David Junior Hoilett # 7
M- Will Johnson | USA # 8 
M- Jonathan Osorio # 10
M- Samuel Piette # 14
F-Tosaint Ricketts # 11
F- Lucas Cavallini # 15 
F- Marcus Haber # 21 
F- Cyle Larin # 9

[badname22]

1 minute ago, DannyFromToronto23 said:

 MY CANADA’S 23-MAN LIST FOR GOLD CUP 2017 
GK- Milan Borjan # 18 
GK- Maxime Crépeau # 20
GK- Jayson Leutwiler # 1 
CB- Dejan Jaković # 4 
CB- Manjrekar James # 3 
CB- Steven Vitória # 5 
FB- Samuel Adekugbe # 16 
FB- Juan Córdova # 2 
FB- Marcel de Jong # 17 
M- Fraser Aird # 12
M- Tesho Akindele # 23 
M- Scott Arfield # 6 
M- Kwame Awuah # 13 
M- Alphonso Davies # 19 
M- Raheem Edwards # 22
M- David Junior Hoilett # 7
M- Will Johnson | USA # 8 
M- Jonathan Osorio # 10
M- Samuel Piette # 14
F-Tosaint Ricketts # 11
F- Lucas Cavallini # 15 
F- Marcus Haber # 21 
F- Cyle Larin # 9

why awuah

[DannyFromToronto23]

3 minutes ago, badname22 said:

why awuah

I know him that's why lol 

[Addona]

11 minutes ago, DannyFromToronto23 said:

 MY CANADA’S 23-MAN LIST FOR GOLD CUP 2017 
GK- Milan Borjan # 18 
GK- Maxime Crépeau # 20
GK- Jayson Leutwiler # 1 
CB- Dejan Jaković # 4 
CB- Manjrekar James # 3 
CB- Steven Vitória # 5 
FB- Samuel Adekugbe # 16 
FB- Juan Córdova # 2 
FB- Marcel de Jong # 17 
M- Fraser Aird # 12
M- Tesho Akindele # 23 
M- Scott Arfield # 6 
M- Kwame Awuah # 13 
M- Alphonso Davies # 19 
M- Raheem Edwards # 22
M- David Junior Hoilett # 7
M- Will Johnson | USA # 8 
M- Jonathan Osorio # 10
M- Samuel Piette # 14
F-Tosaint Ricketts # 11
F- Lucas Cavallini # 15 
F- Marcus Haber # 21 
F- Cyle Larin # 9

Gotta think Ledge and Straith make the 23 because of their ability to play multiple positions...

[badname22]

4 minutes ago, DannyFromToronto23 said:

I know him that's why lol 

you don't know Straith?

[baulderdash77]

Overall I'm very happy with this 40 man roster.  There's no personal grudge omissions included.

The list definitely includes our 23 best healthy players right now.  We can talk about the guys who where 41-45 not making it but there are no top 23 players omitted IMO.

Our best 23 players against the B teams of CONCACAF?  I think we become a dark horse for the Gold Cup at least.

[Obinna]

38 minutes ago, DannyFromToronto23 said:

I know him that's why lol 

sounds objective

[DannyFromToronto23]

1 hour ago, badname22 said:

you don't know Straith?

I meant personally

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

5 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

No Weatherspoon.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

Edit: No Occean, he must have told OZ he's retired.

He's not getting the goals in Norway at the same rate as previous years. I doubt he has officially retired from the #CanMNT His form right now may be better than Simeon Jackson's.

[Scorpion26]

Good choices from the OZ and will be interesting to see OZ first team formation. I am hoping to see aggressive offensive team, but also remain good at the back. Of course I see AD making the 23 for Gold Cup he is going to be played throughout that tournament. Hope he does step it up, but was hoping to see some more of the recent U-23 players called up. 

[Shway]

Now that we know who's in the 40, I'll take a stab at the 23 before the 28 man summer of soccer squad gets trimmed to 23. Which should give us an even greater idea of who can be the surprises.

CANADA’S 23 MAN GOLD CUP LIST
SEL	POS	Name | Country / Team
x	GK	Milan Borjan | POL / MKS Korona Kielce
x	GK	Jayson Leutwiler | ENG / Shrewsbury Town FC
x	GK	Simon Thomas | NOR / FK Bodø/Glimt
x	CB	Manjrekar James | HUN / Vasas Budapest
x	CB	Milovan Kapor | SVK / FC ViOn Zlaté Moravce
x	CB	Adam Straith | CAN / FC Edmonton
x	CB	Steven Vitória | POL / Lechia Gdańsk
x	FB	Juan Córdova | CHI / CD Huachipato
x	FB	Marcel de Jong | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC
x	FB	Tyler Pasher | USA / Sporting Kansas City
x	M	Fraser Aird | Unattached
x	M	Tesho Akindele | USA / FC Dallas
x	M	Scott Arfield | ENG / Burnley FC
x	M	Patrice Bernier | CAN / Impact Montréal FC
x	M	Alphonso Davies | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC
x	M	Raheem Edwards | CAN / Toronto FC
x	M	David Junior Hoilett | WAL / Cardiff City FC
x	M	Will Johnson | USA / Orlando City SC
X	M	Jonathan Osorio | CAN / Toronto FC
X	M	Samuel Piette | ESP / CD Izarra
x	F	Lucas Cavallini | URU / CA Peñarol
x	F	Anthony Jackson-Hamel | CAN / Impact Montréal
x	F	Cyle Larin | USA / Orlando City SC

Logics:

- Tosaint will be out/just returning and won't be fit or cleared by TFC

- If Cavallini says no, he'll be replaced by Haber

- Osorio, Teibert, Froese and Piette are fighting for the 2 CM/CDM/CAM midfield spots.

- Pasher will beat Ledgerwood and Adekugbe for 1 of the 3 fullback spots. Considering Aird can be deployed in either the RWB/RB.

- Straith beats Jackovic to 4th DF spot.

 

 

 

 

[harrycoyster]

Generally speaking, a player is only called into a roster if they give assurance they will accept the call up. Cavallini is trying to get a move out of the Uruguayan league, and likely is using the Gold Cup for exposure.

[BuzzAndSting]

6 minutes ago, harrycoyster said:

Generally speaking, a player is only called into a roster if they give assurance they will accept the call up. Cavallini is trying to get a move out of the Uruguayan league, and likely is using the Gold Cup for exposure.

What makes you say this? He just moved to Penarol and is under contract for another 2.5 years. He's also married to Uruguaying girl and has a young child with her.

[toontownman]

I'm reaching dangerous levels of optimism with the Gold Cup although I'm sure it will end in tears. 

Glad Davies is on board. A couple of new young faces breaking through in the mls and beyond. 

Our best starting lineup isn't looking that bad. Backline aside. If

 

 

[toontownman]

7 hours ago, Macksam said:

I think we're the tournament's dark horse. We'll win. I foresee us hammering an overconfident Mexico 4-0 in the final to send shockwaves throughout the soccer world.

Ah.. reading back in the thread I don't feel so bad. 

[ThiKu]

 

Before we move on I want to note it's disappointing Hamilton isn't in this 40 man squad - he shouldn't be. But I blame TFC for not giving him opportunities. He's too good for USL. He needs heavy MLS minutes.

 

My Canada 23!!! (starters in bold - 4-4-2 diamond. Easily changes to 433 with 1 sub, or adapt on-field personnel)

1. Milan Borjan

2. Jayson Leutwiler

3. Simon Thomas

4. Dejan Jakovic

5. Adam Straith

6. Manjrekar James

7. Steven Vitoria

8. Sam Adekugbe

9. Juan Cordova

10. Michael Petrasso

11. Nik Ledgerwood

12. Tesho Akindele

13. Will Johnson

14. Scott Arfield

15. Alphonso Davies

16. Raheem Edwards

17. David Hoilett 

18. Jonathan Osorio

19. Samuel Piette

20. Tosaint Ricketts

21. Lucas Cavalini 

22. Cyle Larin

23. Anthony Jackson

 

Guessing you all raise your eyebrows at Adekugbe. If he's fit you will see why I think he is Canadas LB for the next 8-10 yrs. Didn't include Galvas or Kapor as they are unattached. Left De Jong, and Simeon Jackson out. Time to move on. 

 

Some tough calls here. Very nice position to be in!!!

[harrycoyster]

14 minutes ago, ThiKu said:

 

Before we move on I want to note it's disappointing Hamilton isn't in this 40 man squad - he shouldn't be. But I blame TFC for not giving him opportunities. He's too good for USL. He needs heavy MLS minutes.

Too many mouths to feed in Toronto. You can't realistically expect him to get the minutes he needs with the talent in front of him. And let's be honest, 3 goals in 26 games at striker for TFCII doesn't scream MLS starter to me.

48 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

What makes you say this? He just moved to Penarol and is under contract for another 2.5 years. He's also married to Uruguaying girl and has a young child with her.

I recall him/his agent talking about how he thought he's played himself out of the league, but that was before his recent move. One of the major points of the "I regret choosing Canada" spiel he went on was that he felt his career trajectory changed in that he no longer had the same options available to him after he was no longer a young Uruguayan prospect.

[BCM]

10 hours ago, Obinna said:

I thought so too, but with him not seeing any action for the first team, I am not surprised he was left off. I think he's close though and I think he'll make his full senior debut sooner rather than later.

But there's a lot of mids on the 40 not seeing much first team minutes.

[jpg75]

2 hours ago, harrycoyster said:

One of the major points of the "I regret choosing Canada" spiel he went on was that he felt his career trajectory changed in that he no longer had the same options available to him after he was no longer a young Uruguayan prospect.

That was not his regret in that interview. It was that his daughter would not get to see him suit up for Uruguay.

[BCM]

10 hours ago, harrycoyster said:

After the roster deadline the CSA is only allowed to pay players on the roster. So, maybe if they train for free? I can't recall cut players from a roster ever training with the team though.

Australia regularly brings young players not quite ready for the final 23 to the world cup, for what it's worth.

[Fastfeet2]

3 hours ago, BCM1555362349 said:

But there's a lot of mids on the 40 not seeing much first team minutes.

I think OZ already has a few favourites to be selecting guys with next to no playing time. Nothing more insulting to your game than a guy rotting on a bench getting a call over you.

 

5 hours ago, ThiKu said:

 

Before we move on I want to note it's disappointing Hamilton isn't in this 40 man squad - he shouldn't be. But I blame TFC for not giving him opportunities. He's too good for USL. He needs heavy MLS minutes.

 

My Canada 23!!! (starters in bold - 4-4-2 diamond. Easily changes to 433 with 1 sub, or adapt on-field personnel)

1. Milan Borjan

2. Jayson Leutwiler

3. Simon Thomas

4. Dejan Jakovic

5. Adam Straith

6. Manjrekar James

7. Steven Vitoria

8. Sam Adekugbe

9. Juan Cordova

10. Michael Petrasso

11. Nik Ledgerwood

12. Tesho Akindele

13. Will Johnson

14. Scott Arfield

15. Alphonso Davies

16. Raheem Edwards

17. David Hoilett 

18. Jonathan Osorio

19. Samuel Piette

20. Tosaint Ricketts

21. Lucas Cavalini 

22. Cyle Larin

23. Anthony Jackson

 

Guessing you all raise your eyebrows at Adekugbe. If he's fit you will see why I think he is Canadas LB for the next 8-10 yrs. Didn't include Galvas or Kapor as they are unattached. Left De Jong, and Simeon Jackson out. Time to move on. 

 

Some tough calls here. Very nice position to be in!!!

The thought of De Jong moving at snails pace up and down the sideline in that summer heat makes me cringe.

[shorty]

Definitely nice to see the tough choices, and I agree it's exciting to think that this is creating a bit more fire and edge in camp for those last few spots.  

CB:  probably the toughest to handicap between DJ, SV, MK, MJ and AS.  Straith gets a bump for versatility.  Haven't seen Kapor play:  is he slower and more technical like DJ and SV or more athletic like MJ? If you have two of each kind, that makes it hard to know who prevails, but if you have three (relatively) slower vs James, then James is likely in and one of the other three drop.

FB:  comes down to health and versatility.  Ledgerwood probably gets a bump like Straith.  Cordova's only real competition is Ledgerwood and Aird, so he's in.  Plus, OZ is high on him.  Probably only one more, because Aird and Edwards can cover FB, so Adekugbe if he's healthy, Pasher or MDJ if not.  I like the Cinderella story of Pasher and root for him that way, but he and Edwards seem too similar to me for OZ to take both of them.  Adekugbe as well for that matter, but if he's healthy he has the highest level of experience of the three, and Edwards is playing and producing, so Pasher's out, sadly.

MF/F:  Agree with the choices on the two lists above, except Thiku, yours doesn't include Bernier, and we know he will be there, and will probably be captain, given OZ's praise in the media.  We also know Ricketts won't due to injury.  Aird and Edwards are FB cover, particularly if 3-5-2 is on the table, and locks are SA, JH, TA, PB, AD, WJ and SP (on the poster with Bernier), although one could argue TA and WJ might not be "locks" based on camp performance.  WJ is hard to replace for attitude and heart and leadership, though, and TA is cover up front.  Last spot is between JO, MP, and KF I would think -- MB with an outside shot.  I'm actually tempted to say KF because he's playing, he's scoring and he's the most versatile of the three.

GK:  Agreed.  MB, JL and ST.