jordan Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Probably premature to be projecting where players will end up based on a preseason friendly against an out of season PLSQ allstar team Xavier., HochelagaFC and Floortom 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, jordan said: Probably premature to be projecting where players will end up based on a preseason friendly against an out of season PLSQ allstar team To be fair he was tipped to emerge last season over Kone. Kone was the surprise. Hope he and Rea get chances. gator, PegCityCam and narduch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Maybe Montreal is playing 4-d chess here. They know Zouhir and Rea are poised to make huge leaps like Kone did last year, so letting everyone go was no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dominic94 said: Having a good camp, we’re likely to see him emerge this year. It seems that he will get time deeper on the pitch, but he Saliba and Rea are starting in friendlies with the first team. Didn’t you just criticize every young TFC player last week and now you’re praising every young Montreal player this week. FWIW, I’m excited to see what Rea, Zouhir, Saliba along with Nelson, JMR and the other young Canadian players playing in MLS this year. Edited February 4, 2023 by Corazon Ivan, An Observer and toontownman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, Corazon said: Didn’t you just criticize every young TFC player last week and now you’re praising every young Montreal player this week. FWIW, I’m excited to see what Rea, Zouhir, Saliba along with Nelson, JMR and the other young Canadian players playing in MLS this year. No I criticized TFC and said it’s likely they ruin JMR’s career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Dominic94 said: No I criticized TFC and said it’s likely they ruin JMR’s career. They did a disservice by giving an unrealistic market value to his name. But he’s 4 months younger than Saliba, 6 months younger than Zouhir and 2 years and 1 month younger than Rea. Saliba who’s older has 0 professional games and Zouhir who’s a year older has 12 professional games with Montreal. And Rea who’s two years older has yet to play a professional game with Montreal (albeit two very good CPL seasons under his belt). Its just odd to me that you think TFC has ruined JMR’s career when he’s the youngest of the four aforementioned players and with the most experience. Point is, JMR is still young with lots of potential like Zouhir, Rea, Nelson and Saliba. Toronto FC’s valuation of JMR is what has hurt JMR because he has underachieved comparatively to that valuation. FWIW, I also think what Montreal has done with Rea is the way to go with young players that aren’t ready for the MLS level. And I’d wish Toronto would do the same because I feel the MLS NextPro is too big of a drop off in quality. I think Montreal has done a great job with Rea and the CPL loans but what has Montreal done for Zouhir and Saliba (who are both older than JMR) that is better for their careers than what Toronto has done for JMR? Edited February 4, 2023 by Corazon RS, gator, Ivan and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 2/4/2023 at 5:22 PM, Corazon said: They did a disservice by giving an unrealistic market value to his name. But he’s 4 months younger than Saliba, 6 months younger than Zouhir and 2 years and 1 month younger than Rea. Saliba who’s older has 0 professional games and Zouhir who’s a year older has 12 professional games with Montreal. And Rea who’s two years older has yet to play a professional game with Montreal (albeit two very good CPL seasons under his belt). Its just odd to me that you think TFC has ruined JMR’s career when he’s the youngest of the four aforementioned players and with the most experience. Point is, JMR is still young with lots of potential like Zouhir, Rea, Nelson and Saliba. Toronto FC’s valuation of JMR is what has hurt JMR because he has underachieved comparatively to that valuation. FWIW, I also think what Montreal has done with Rea is the way to go with young players that aren’t ready for the MLS level. And I’d wish Toronto would do the same because I feel the MLS NextPro is too big of a drop off in quality. I think Montreal has done a great job with Rea and the CPL loans but what has Montreal done for Zouhir and Saliba (who are both older than JMR) that is better for their careers than what Toronto has done for JMR? Just jumping in to help clear what looks like a misunderstanding here. Your points are very valid, however you're still missing Dominic94's point, you're comparing players and development, while D94 is explaining he doesn't have faith in TFC developing him properly. Two entirely different things. D94 never said JMR is terrible and finished. Corazon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, costarg said: Just jumping in to help clear what looks like a misunderstanding here. Your points are very valid, however you're still missing Dominic94's point, you're comparing players and development, while D94 is explaining he doesn't have faith in TFC developing him properly. Two entirely different things. D94 never said JMR is terrible and finished. So as per my last question that was addressing development on the post that you responded to, do you believe Montreal has developed Zouhir & Saliba better than Toronto FC has developed JMR? Edited February 6, 2023 by Corazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Until recently I hadnt even heard of Saliba, so I cant make any intelligible comments. Dont know where Zouhir/Saliba started and not sure where they are now in terms of development. However, I do know JMR signed at 15, trialed with Arsenal and Liverpool a year ago, made the Guardians list of best 2004's in the WORLD, and everyone thought enough of him to think he was going for millions and TFC was hanging on to him hoping to get more. Oh and the youngest ever call up to CMNT ever at 16 a few years ago. So when I watch TFC and see him struggle, its either he was massively overhyped, or something has gone wrong with his progress. Or maybe its still coming eh?? I dont remember anyone at Montreal getting that kind of hype besides Tabla, and of course Kone but that came later when he was 20 and took off like a rocket. JMR isnt that much farther ahead than the young Montreal guys (if you disregard the hype) so I'll guess we'll see. It would be nice to see all 3 make massive breakthrough this year like a Kone. costarg, dyslexic nam, narduch and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 57 minutes ago, Corazon said: So as per my last question that was addressing development on the post that you responded to, do you believe Montreal has developed Zouhir & Saliba better than Toronto FC has developed JMR? Well for one, no one, including TFC seem to know where to play JMR, so there's that issue that needs to be resolved. JMR got like ~600 minutes in 2023, most or all out of position? The kids got talent, but its hard to defend the development plan. Zouhir had Kone to compete with in 2022. It took Kone 3 minutes to decide he liked playing so he went all big head mode and look where he is now. Would you have benched Kone so he could share minutes with Zouhir? So that's where Zouhir's developement plan went. He's still expected to perform and emerge in 2023. More importantly no one is talking about broken confidence or wasted years of development in his case. As for Saliba, i don't know enough about his story to comment on his development. Then we also need to consider where CFM finished in the standings in 2023. They were actually playing for something, can we actually expect them to have played more youngsters than they did? They surpassed all expectatations on the field, standings, development and player revenue. Hard to critique their 2022. Sal333, Corazon and Bison44 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 Scored in Montreal's friendly today v FIU Dominic94, Corazon, InglewoodJack and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dominic94 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Honestly I thought he was very good tonight, I can see why coaches raved about him and why Morroco rate him. He is going to be a much better Wanyama. phresh and toontownman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandbloke Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 36 minutes ago, Dominic94 said: He is going to be a much better Wanyama. That’s quite a bold prediction. Sure hope you’re right. phresh, Shway, Corazon and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 59 minutes ago, Dominic94 said: Honestly I thought he was very good tonight, I can see why coaches raved about him and why Morroco rate him. He is going to be a much better Wanyama. So he’s going to be the best Canadian midfielder of all time? Sounds amazing. toontownman, Shway, PastPros and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: So he’s going to be the best Canadian midfielder of all time? Sounds amazing. You say that like the bar is high all due respect to Hutch. Shway and sebdeserio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) @Dominic94 this is my point exactly. You’re drinking wayy to much of that water there when you can make these bold claims while also neglecting the Canadian legends who have already solidified there legacy Hutch, JdG…. Wanyama maybe a chump for MTL now, but look at his CV. Rida has played how many minutes? And he will be a great! Give me the lottery numbers please! You’ve went into every MTL player thread and gave them the wozzle 3000 lol Edited March 19, 2023 by Shway HochelagaFC and Corazon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Shway said: @Dominic94 this is my point exactly. You’re drinking wayy to much of that water there when you can make these bold claims while also neglecting the Canadian legends who have already solidified there legacy Hutch, JdG…. Wanyama maybe a chump for MTL now, but look at his CV. Rida has played how many minutes? And he will be a great! Give me the lottery numbers please! You’ve went into every MTL player thread and gave them the wozzle 3000 lol Is there a day where you aren’t upset ? i love hutch, thought JDG was great, but it’s not like they were world beaters. Someone is going to become our best midfielder ever and it’s not a high bar player caliber wise. CV’s are nice and all, but what does it really mean ? Wow he was here and there ? Wasn’t Armas at United as a coach ? It’s not like Wanyama is great. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Upset lol… You just made an egregious statement. And I’m surprised you rate him over Kone. I guess Rida is gone to Madrid after this year then. HochelagaFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Dominic94 said: You say that like the bar is high all due respect to Hutch. Right. But the fact remains that you think Zouhir will be the best Canadian midfielder of all time. I hope you’re right but it’s a wild claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 For God's sake lets not over hype this young man . I see way to many times on these forums we all over hype , let this kid develop and improve with the more playing he gets Floortom and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shway said: Upset lol… You just made an egregious statement. And I’m surprised you rate him over Kone. I guess Rida is gone to Madrid after this year then. I didn’t hype him as a Madrid level prospect ? Zouhir is rated highly around MLS. Ironically 3 years ago Saliba was seen as the best of the trio of Henry, Zouhir and Saliba. In 2021 when Kone was signed, Montreal felt he was very skilled and ready for mls in terms of the skill level but not the understanding of the game, heading into the season I remember seeing a few comments about the trio Kone, Zouhir and Saliba. Depending on who you ask last year most answers favoured Zouhir until say summer ? And Saliba in pre-season. Time will tell like always, but for years people who followed the USSDA praised Toronto, Montreal and some of Vancouver’s academy age groups. We should see a boon of NT players and depth players from this age group across the 3. It may not be through the MLS pipeline, as in the first team route, maybe it’s academy-canpl, or maybe it’s academy-Europe. But loads of talent there. Edited March 19, 2023 by Dominic94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal333 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 11 hours ago, Dominic94 said: Honestly I thought he was very good tonight, I can see why coaches raved about him and why Morroco rate him. He is going to be a much better Wanyama. I'm a CF MTL fan and I found he was just meh last night. Shway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 12 hours ago, Dominic94 said: Honestly I thought he was very good tonight, I can see why coaches raved about him and why Morroco rate him. He is going to be a much better Wanyama. Are you saying he’s going to have a much better career than Wanyama or just that he will be better than Wanyama this season? Tbh I don’t see either as likely, but the latter is somewhat plausible while the former is highly, highly unlikely IMO. sebdeserio and HochelagaFC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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