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On 3/26/2019 at 11:35 PM, admin said:

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Based on this meme, Surrey would actually be NORTH of Fraser, north by a couple hundred kilometres. 

I'm actually a bit sad such a good post will be lost on so many here.

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I was very disappointed when the news from Sask slowed down considering how excited and vocal Belan was in the beginning.

Now I’m cautiously optimistic but this seems to be a similar approach as in Edmonton and Halifax so I’m thinking this is a really good sign!

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44 minutes ago, baulderdash77 said:

I’m pretty excited for a Saskatoon team to be honest.  It makes a natural rival for Winnipeg.

Similarly I’m excited for a GVA team for the rivalry with Victoria.

To me part of the entire league is building rivalries.  There needs to be one for Halifax still.

Is York 9 not their natural rival? That goes without saying, I'm not a Hamilton fan so I don't truly understand you're culture and what it takes to build a rivalry. Then again, York's a hell of a lot closer in distance than the other rivalries in the league.

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3 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said:

I was very disappointed when the news from Sask slowed down considering how excited and vocal Belan was in the beginning.

Now I’m cautiously optimistic but this seems to be a similar approach as in Edmonton and Halifax so I’m thinking this is a really good sign!

I think team Sask is coming one way or another, it just a question of when and possibly still where. The eyes are fixed on Saskatoon but these games are the test to whether the city will support it, otherwise it might be plan b and Regina.

Given how almost all of the other CPL teams have full feeder systems established the ownership group are approaching this the right way. They were right not to pull the trigger for year one, as frustrating as it is to wait and see the CPL kick off. They weren't ready, the province arguably wasn't ready and if its going to happen it has to be right and well prepped.  

2020 is likely too soon for CPL but by the sounds of it not impossible. So much depends on the public reaction and support for these upcoming games and also maybe interest commercially. 

The select XI gives them a chance to build a player pool and give them a basis to grow if/when the time is right. 

Exciting times but high stakes for a soccer supporters in SK.  

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2 hours ago, toontownman said:

...2020 is likely too soon for CPL...  

Not sure I follow? The league badly needs an eighth franchise and in the not too distant past Joe Belan was quoted as saying that Saskatchewan would probably have the seventh team after a six team soft launch in 2018 and was pushing the city council in Saskatoon for land for a downtown stadium after Taylor Field was demolished in Regina (which appeared to be the plan A stadium solution).

https://thestarphoenix.com/sports/soccer/saskatchewan-summer-soccer-series-a-pre-kicker-to-pro-soccer

... The goal is bringing professional soccer to Saskatoon with the aim of bringing the Canadian Premier League — “a league built by Canadians for Canadians,” said Belan — to the city.

There are seven teams who will play in the CPL’s inaugural season. They include FC Edmonton, York 9 FC, Calvary FC, Valour FC (Winnipeg), HFX Wanderers FC (Halifax), Forge FC (Hamilton) and Pacific FC.

“We’d like to join the league when we’re ready,” said Belan, adding the summer series was a stepping-stone to establishing that pathway.

“We’re exceeding some of our expectations already. That’s a very positive early signal.” ...

If this series goes well, 2020 is probably very much in their plans, if they have a viable temporary stadium solution sorted out (think RobNotenboom has stated on here that this isn't an issue). In a similar way to the Ottawa Fury, the reason to go slow given the seven figure sums of money involved before you get to kick a ball in anger could simply be to double check that the league isn't going to be one and done. It won't take long for it to be obvious, which way the wind is blowing. The key metric on that moving forward as Paul Beirne pointed out recently on a podcast is season ticket renewal rates and the verdict will probably be in on that by late this year.

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7 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Not sure I follow?

Well you posted your answers in your post and the posts in the Saskatoon thread.

“We’d like to join the league when we’re ready,” said Belan, adding the summer series was a stepping-stone to establishing that pathway.

What I said  though was my own guarded, expectation dampening opinion rather than any inside info. We went from heavily rumoured to being among the inaugural teams, that passing by and then us not ready. Then 2020 or 21. In the posts you shared (last nights talk in) 2022 was even thrown out.

The financial backing seems to be there and i think the temporary stadium at Exhibition is all but signed off. So what is "ready"?

I am very cautiously optimistic 2020 is a possibility but when they are throwing out 3 years. 2021 seems the most realistic one. If i was them before pulling the trigger for 2020 they need to use these games to see: 

  • Support and sustained crowd in Saskatoon, not just the initial game which if it isn't a sellout would be a shock and disappointment verging on disaster. Its keeping those crowds for the other games too. (This also largely depends on the fan experience off the field as much as on..which the ball is in the organizers court)
  • Drawing community sponsors and support
  • Maybe putting some pressure on city council as on the outside it appears building a downtown stadium is a no go. 
  • Seeing if the player pool they have is near enough ready with supplementation to compete.

Thats all just my hyperbole though not any revelation or ITK. 

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14 hours ago, Senorpopps said:

Is York 9 not their natural rival? That goes without saying, I'm not a Hamilton fan so I don't truly understand you're culture and what it takes to build a rivalry. Then again, York's a hell of a lot closer in distance than the other rivalries in the league.

York9 as a natural rivalry for Halifax?

I was thinking more Moncton or Quebec City or something East of Ontario.

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Just now, baulderdash77 said:

York9 as a natural rivalry for Halifax?

I was thinking more Moncton or Quebec City or something East of Ontario.

Sorry misread! 

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On 3/28/2019 at 12:00 PM, Nerf said:

Regarding a Lower Mainland team, I think Surrey makes the most sense, especially if they can get it on a transit route. Living in Vancouver, I wouldn't go to many matches if I had to drive, but if I can easily take transit I'd go more often.  Langley isn't getting rapid transit for a decade, so it isn't worth talking about.

The rumored Langley location is a few minutes off the freeway and most in the valley use cars to get around. Don't think Vancouver city proper would be the target fan base for a fraser valley/suburban Vancouver CPL club anyways, Surrey would be preferable but think they can make it work in Langley with the right setup as well and the rumored location has had a lot of development over the past years in and around it.

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I also think Surrey is the best spot for a lower mainland location.  It’s large enough that with Langley and Delta there’s a 750,000 population so the fan base is large enough.

Its also far enough from downtown Vancouver that it won’t compete with the Whitecaps as directly.

Its very similar to Laval in Montreal that way.  Big suburb of a huge city. 

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Just for fun. Who we know is interested and what markets are being explored

Confirmed Owner Interested

- Bunbury's group. In the Montreal area or maybe Quebec City. Join date 2020 or later if Quebec City
- Other Quebec Group. In the Montreal area or maybe Quebec City. Join date 2020 or later if Quebec City
- BC Group. Location believed to be lower mainland BC. Join date target 2020
- Belan's Group. Location Saskatchewan (likely Saskatoon)
- MLSE. Location Ontario (likely GTA). Controversial but confirmed interested and have spoken to CPL

Desired cities or locations with noted desire but unknown backer status

- Ottawa. CPL has spoken with people about a non-Fury team but no idea about investors. Resistant to Ottawa Fury but likely open to them. Join date as early as 2021 if the Fury join
- Moncton. Soccer New Brunswick are hoping to bring a team there.

Interest but unclear

- KW. CPL is interested in the market and have talked with Barry McLean but a lot remains unknown about how serious talks were and where a team would play (iirc)

Mega Dark Horse

- Oakville. Fan speculation based on high profile staff developments.

Miss anything of note?

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25 minutes ago, matty said:

Miss anything of note?

St. John's; it was confirmed by @Copes that Clanachan has been to the island and spoken face-to-face with St. John's Sports and Entertainment (the Edge/Growlers ownership group), who are very interested but will wait at least a couple years before committing to anything.

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1 minute ago, Zem said:

St. John's; it was confirmed by @Copes that Clanachan has been to the island and spoken face-to-face with St. John's Sports and Entertainment (the Edge/Growlers ownership group), who are very interested but will wait at least a couple years before committing to anything.

i'd place them in group b

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Have to wonder if the second would be Montreal/Laval group and the BC group are the MLS I/Os. Before we get the usual immature hysterics try to look at it rationally from their point of view and take note of the fact that MLSE have claimed publicly very recently to be in preliminary discussions with CanPL.

London arguably is known to be in group b subject to a close to downtown stadium being part of the city's development plans. That was in a mainstream media story with attributed quotes. That's more solid than Moncton, because it came from the possible investor rather than a soccer association.

I think Kelowna has also rated a mention at times in a way that suggests something exploratory is happening there. Also noteworthy that Windsor, K/W and the Niagara region did not seem to be qualified with a possibly or a maybe like Mississauga, Brampton, Barrie and Durham were by Paul Beirne on the recent podcast when discussing scope for regional intensification.

There have been meetings involving CanPL in Sherbrooke and Quebec City as well as Montreal/Laval in Quebec and PB recently talked about wanting at least two teams there and probably three in the long term.

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3 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

...I think Kelowna has also rated a mention at times in a way that suggests something exploratory is happening there. Also noteworthy that Windsor, K/W and the Niagara region did not seem to be qualified with a possibly or a maybe like Mississauga, Brampton, Barrie and Durham were by Paul Beirne on the recent podcast when discussing scope for regional intensification...

The reason for KW got the nod over them is due to KW straight up having had an owner talker with PB and other league officials over just getting a mention. I wanted to avoid the just getting a mention crowd because it's such a wide area were a lot of the talk is solely fan driven.

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Fair enough but on the flipside if they are talking to people concerning 18 different markets, which is something that has been mentioned by both David Clanachan and Paul Beirne in the last week or so, it's probably safe to assume that the list includes at least some of those cities in Ontario. Beyond that although I have never seen it definitively confirmed, is Barry McLean not believed to have dropped his interest?

If they are serious about expanding beyond 16 teams over the longer term (2026 seems a tad optimistic as the stated timeline) to the point that they need to split into two tiers to accommodate the presence of lots of Saskatoon sized cities, they will need to keep budgets low as the signings announced to date suggest they are doing and will have to be willing to use relatively small stadia as is happening in five of seven launch markets, so actions are matching rhetoric.

Hopefully it works. Time will tell. Think a lower budget smaller market approach has a much better shot than a higher budget one that tilts at windmills where MLS is concerned, which I suspect is what some people like Duane Rollins would still prefer, which is why Saskatoon doesn't appear to rate a mention when he is tweeting about CanPL, which is a bit bizarre when something like the SkSSS announcement happens.

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13 hours ago, matty said:

Just for fun. Who we know is interested and what markets are being explored

Confirmed Owner Interested

- Bunbury's group. In the Montreal area or maybe Quebec City. Join date 2020 or later if Quebec City
- Other Quebec Group. In the Montreal area or maybe Quebec City. Join date 2020 or later if Quebec City
- BC Group. Location believed to be lower mainland BC. Join date target 2020
- Belan's Group. Location Saskatchewan (likely Saskatoon)
- MLSE. Location Ontario (likely GTA). Controversial but confirmed interested and have spoken to CPL

Desired cities or locations with noted desire but unknown backer status

- Ottawa. CPL has spoken with people about a non-Fury team but no idea about investors. Resistant to Ottawa Fury but likely open to them. Join date as early as 2021 if the Fury join
- Moncton. Soccer New Brunswick are hoping to bring a team there.

Interest but unclear

- KW. CPL is interested in the market and have talked with Barry McLean but a lot remains unknown about how serious talks were and where a team would play (iirc)

Mega Dark Horse

- Oakville. Fan speculation based on high profile staff developments.

Miss anything of note?

 

12 hours ago, Zem said:

St. John's; it was confirmed by @Copes that Clanachan has been to the island and spoken face-to-face with St. John's Sports and Entertainment (the Edge/Growlers ownership group), who are very interested but will wait at least a couple years before committing to anything.

https://culturesoccer.com/2019/03/03/quelles-prochaines-expansions-en-canpl/

 

St John's definitely!

Probably an other southern Ontario group (Mississauga, London?)

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To BBTB,

The purpose of splitting into two tiers and having promotion/relegation is to eventually accommodate an open market system. Budgets and stadium size do not need to be kept low. If Forge eventually starts drawing 24,000 for example by 2026, PB isn't going to have an emergency meeting with the other CPL owners and go "their drawing too many people, there stadium is too big!"

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1 hour ago, mtlsab said:

St John's definitely!

Probably an other southern Ontario group (Mississauga, London?)

I know there is fan interest in Sauga but other than that there hasn't been anything (I've found) that warranted listing it. I know there was a city councilor there that was on board but there was too little known to list.

London IIRC was rumoured for MLSE

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35 minutes ago, Macksam said:

To BBTB,

The purpose of splitting into two tiers and having promotion/relegation is to eventually accommodate an open market system. Budgets and stadium size do not need to be kept low. If Forge eventually starts drawing 24,000 for example by 2026, PB isn't going to have an emergency meeting with the other CPL owners and go "their drawing too many people, there stadium is too big!"

Not going to be an open market system with salary caps and restrictions on player nationalities though..

 

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