CONCACAF Nations League 2023/2024 - Group Stage & ¼finals - General Thread

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

11 minutes ago, Kent said:

You think this is very confusing, are you paying attention to Europe these days?

https://talksport.com/football/1603374/republic-of-ireland-need-to-lose-netherlands-euro-2024/

Sorry it's off topic, but that format is insane.

As soon as they introduced UEFA Nations League several years ago, as a way to qualify for the EUROs I knew that eventually there would be weird scenarios.

In a weird schadenfreude-ish kind of way, I'm happy it isn't just CONCACAF doing weird things.

[Kent]

5 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

As soon as they introduced UEFA Nations League several years ago, as a way to qualify for the EUROs I knew that eventually there would be weird scenarios.

In a weird schadenfreude-ish kind of way, I'm happy it isn't just CONCACAF doing weird things.

I'm happy this scenario is coming up before CONCACAF copies that format. I assume UEFA will do the right thing and make changes to eliminate this kind of a possibility in the future.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Kent

[kacbru]

I'm sure Ireland will go out and lose 'honorably' to the Netherlands, but I would love it if they just filled the net with own goals to rub UEFA and FIFA's nose in it.  Set a record, be legends.  See how many goals they can score before Infantino interrupts the game saying "I feel Irish".

[blueseeka]

6 hours ago, narduch said:

Our opponent probability. We will find out tomorrow anyways.

 

 

Looks like

1. Jamaica w/ a Jamaica win

2. T&T w/ Jam L and T&T W

3. Pan w/ Jam L, T&T L and Pan W by 2

4. I have no idea

Edited October 16, 2023 by blueseeka

[maplebanana]

3 minutes ago, blueseeka said:

Looks like

1. Jamaica w/ a Jamaica win

2. T&T w/ Jam L and T&T W

3. Pan w/ Jam L, T&T L and Pan W by 2

4. I have no idea since two teams already have more points then them

4. Martinique win by 4+, Pan L or D, T&T L

[blueseeka]

11 minutes ago, blueseeka said:

Looks like

1. Jamaica w/ a Jamaica win

2. T&T w/ Jam L and T&T W

3. Pan w/ Jam L, T&T L and Pan W by 2

4. I have no idea

Lol...i am complete wrong. This is all wrong

Edited October 16, 2023 by blueseeka

[Obinna]

Just now, blueseeka said:

Lol...i am complete wrong. Jam has finished playing

Funny thing is I knew that yet didn't even pick it up when I read your post.

[blueseeka]

1. T&T win, we play Jam

2. T&T lose, Pan win by 2  = we play Pan

3. T&T lose, Pan lose = we play T&T

 

 

**this is probably wrong but i give up. We are probably playing Jamaica. Can't see T&T lose to Curacao unless they want to play Canada

Edited October 16, 2023 by blueseeka

[blueseeka]

8 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Funny thing is I knew that yet didn't even pick it up when I read your post.

Lol...i was watching them play yesterday and still got confused

[Kent]

So CONCACAF released an article to demystify how the Quarter Final pairings will be determined, and they did a terrible job in my opinion. Before the article I understood what was happening. Then I read the article and it confused me. Then I read parts of it again to get back to my original understanding.

https://www.concacaf.com/nations-league/news/how-the-concacaf-nations-league-qf-pairings-are-determined/

This paragraph is horribly misleading.

"The top-ranked League A team (based on the Concacaf Rankings as of October 2023), will play against the lowest-ranked group runner-up, while the second-ranked League A team, will play the highest-ranked group runner-up."

When reading that paragraph you need to keep in mind what the article said X paragraphs earlier.

"The quarterfinal pairings will pit the four top-ranked League A teams against the winners and runners-up of Group A and Group B. The winners and runners-up in Group A and Group B will be ranked by the number of points accumulated during the group stage."

And that paragraph itself doesn't make it clear that you couldn't have a runner up being the 2nd ranked team based on points, if they had more points than the winner of the other group.

[king1010]

How are the March play in matchups determined? 
 

aka how do we play trinidad if we lose in November. 
 

Is it concacaf rankings?

Edited October 17, 2023 by king1010

[Kent]

25 minutes ago, king1010 said:

How are the March play in matchups determined? 
 

aka how do we play trinidad if we lose in November. 
 

Is it concacaf rankings?

I was hoping they would clear that up in the article I just linked to, because that would make sense... but they didn't bother with that. Probably the format will be dependent on who is playing in the playoffs, cause CONCACAF.

[youllneverwalkalone]

Maybe Vic is reserving the right for us to play T&T under all circumstances? An homage, if you will, to Jack Warner...

[Obinna]

57 minutes ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

Maybe Vic is reserving the right for us to play T&T under all circumstances? An homage, if you will, to Jack Warner...

With the way we've been playing that's a gift for both sides. 

[trc2014]

Supporter section tickets for the Toronto game just went on sale FYI.  Sorry if mentioned elsewhere but don’t see it.

[CanadaFan123]

1 hour ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

Maybe Vic is reserving the right for us to play T&T under all circumstances? An homage, if you will, to Jack Warner...

Has to be over 20 years since we’ve played T&T in a competitive match. 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

2 hours ago, Kent said:

So CONCACAF released an article to demystify how the Quarter Final pairings will be determined...

They just republished what was in the rules document but with no additional information or clarification.

2 hours ago, king1010 said:

How are the March play in matchups determined?

And of course they didn't answer that question!

[Vasi]

Does anyone know when tickets go on sale for non supporters section? 

[RS]

39 minutes ago, Vasi said:

Does anyone know when tickets go on sale for non supporters section? 

From Canada Soccer: "Tickets to the Tuesday 21 November match will launch with presale windows starting Tuesday 17 October followed by a public on-sale date of Friday 20 October"

[gator]

I got mine, @Club Linesman and I will be in the house!

[footballfreak]

Am I missing something? Based on my understanding of the situation it stands is as follows:

Pot A rankings (based on CONCACAF rankings):

1. Mexico

2. USA

3. Canada

4. Costa Rica

 

Pot B rankings:

1. Jamaica (group winner, 10 points, +5)

2. Trinidad & Tobago (group leader, 9 points, +3)

3. Honduras (group runner up, 7 points, +7)

4. Panama (current group runner up, 7 points, +4)

 

The quarter final matchups are straightforward. A1 vs B4, A2 vs B3, etc.

Barring some Costa Rican victory over Brazil that I haven’t heard about, we are locked into Pot A - seed 3, and will play Pot B - seed 2. That translates to the following:

• As things currently stands we play T&T
• If Trinidad & Tobago win against Curaçao, OR Panama wins by 2 or more against Guatemala, then we play Jamaica. 
• If T&T lose or draw, AND Panama win by 1* (1-0, 2-1-3-2), then we play Panama. *If Panama win by one, and score 5 or more goals (5-4, 6-5, etc), then we play Jamaica. If Panama wins exactly 4-3 in this scenario, then they are deadlocked with Jamaica on PTS, GD, and GF. I’m not sure what the next tiebreaker is? Fair play points?
• If T&T draw, and Panama lose or draw, we play T&T
• If T&T lose, AND Panama lose or draw, AND Martinique win against El Salvador, AND Martinique overcomes their -4 GD against T&T, then we play Martinique. If Martinique fails to overturn GD, we play T&T

 

I think I got everything, but I may have omitted a case in there somewhere.

 

 

[dyslexic nam]

I am not 100% sure we can make it happen but I grabbed 2 tickets in me of the V sections (114).   Hopefully things come together.  

[Stryker911]

2 hours ago, footballfreak said:

Am I missing something? Based on my understanding of the situation it stands is as follows:

Pot A rankings (based on CONCACAF rankings):

1. Mexico

2. USA

3. Canada

4. Costa Rica

 

Pot B rankings:

1. Jamaica (group winner, 10 points, +5)

2. Trinidad & Tobago (group leader, 9 points, +3)

3. Honduras (group runner up, 7 points, +7)

4. Panama (current group runner up, 7 points, +4)

 

The quarter final matchups are straightforward. A1 vs B4, A2 vs B3, etc.

Barring some Costa Rican victory over Brazil that I haven’t heard about, we are locked into Pot A - seed 3, and will play Pot B - seed 2. That translates to the following:

• As things currently stands we play T&T
• If Trinidad & Tobago win against Curaçao, OR Panama wins by 2 or more against Guatemala, then we play Jamaica. 
• If T&T lose or draw, AND Panama win by 1* (1-0, 2-1-3-2), then we play Panama. *If Panama win by one, and score 5 or more goals (5-4, 6-5, etc), then we play Jamaica. If Panama wins exactly 4-3 in this scenario, then they are deadlocked with Jamaica on PTS, GD, and GF. I’m not sure what the next tiebreaker is? Fair play points?
• If T&T draw, and Panama lose or draw, we play T&T
• If T&T lose, AND Panama lose or draw, AND Martinique win against El Salvador, AND Martinique overcomes their -4 GD against T&T, then we play Martinique. If Martinique fails to overturn GD, we play T&T

 

I think I got everything, but I may have omitted a case in there somewhere.

 

 

The question is in regards to the loaer playoff. There is nothing documented regarding how that seeding will be determined.

[narduch]

The games we care about are at 9pm ET tonight. 

One Soccer is showing Panama v Guatemala 

[Redpunkfiddle]

1 hour ago, Stryker911 said:

The question is in regards to the loaer playoff. There is nothing documented regarding how that seeding will be determined.

Never mind that defeatist talk- what is the seeding for the four team Finals in March should be the question.

 

 

 

 

(also probably good to know the playoff seeding. )

Edited October 17, 2023 by Redpunkfiddle