2023 U20 CONCACAF Championship and U23 Olympic Qualification to be merged in a tournament in Summer 2022

[Metro]

^^ Four groups of five?

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

31 minutes ago, narduch said:

Its a 20 team tournament. You will need lots of available fields to pull this off.

San Pedro Sula has three:

Olímpico Metropolitano

Yankel Rosenthal

Francisco Morazán

 

Just for reference, back when San Pedro Sula hosted the Woman's U20 :

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_CONCACAF_Women's_U-20_Championship

[Shway]

They can play it in …..Toronto 🤣

[Shway]

2 hours ago, VinceA said:

http://www.americansoccernow.com/articles/varas-discusses-status-of-the-u-s-u-20-team-ahead-of-this-summer-s-critical-tournament Interview with the U20 US coach. Sounds like they're going to a tournament in March.

How I wish we'd play in friendly tournaments. Just having a camp isn't enough these guys needs in game reps. Otherwise the first time they face actual opposition will be at the tournament itself in the summer.

Can’t stress this enough. It’s peak insanity.
How we qualified in the recent past (only u17) has been either sheer talent or luck. 

Mexico and USA have already played in tournament.

The USA has played 5 matches already. 

We really have no excuse to not be creative. Forge have been looking for matches, a domestic camp like that would cost no more than 20k. 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

1 minute ago, Shway said:

Mexico and USA have already played in tournament.

Panama are looking to play U20 friendlies in April and Costa Rica U20 have played against Mexico.

[narduch]

Pretty much all the Octagonal nations have been having U-20 camps and games. Probably only Canada and Jamaica have not.

[Shway]

dupe

Edited February 11, 2022 by Shway

[Shway]

A few players I think we’ll be mentioned.

Domestic 

GK - Emil Gazdov, Pacific FC
DF - Kobe Franklin, Toronto FC II
DF - Keesean Ferdinand, CF montreal
MF - Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty, Toronto FC
MF - Sebastian Castello, Forge
MF - Kosi Thompson, Toronto FC II
MF - Rida Zouhir, CF Montreal
FW - Kamron Habibullah, Vancouver Whitecaps FC
FW - Lowell Wright, York United
FC
FW - Huge Mbongue, Toronto FC II
FW - Jean-Aniel Assi, CF Montreal
FW - Sean Rea, CF Montreal

Rest of the World

GK - Owen Goodman, Crystal Palace U-18s
DF - Justin Smith, OGC Nice
MF - Antoine Coupland, 
MF - Lucas Dias, Sporting Lisbon U-23
MF - Georgi Atanasov, Arda Kardzhali 
MF - Luca Kelosha, RCD Espanyol U-19
FW - Federico Rose, Velez Sarfield U-19
FW - Tiago Coimbra, Palmerias U-19
FW - Jules Vilsaint, Antwerp U-21

We got a lot of attackers in the pipeline, did I miss any defenders? 

[Cblake]

12 minutes ago, Shway said:

A few players I think we’ll be mentioned.

Domestic 

GK - Emil Gazdov, Pacific FC
DF - Kobe Franklin, Toronto FC II
DF - Keesean Ferdinand, CF montreal
MF - Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty, Toronto FC
MF - Sebastian Castello, Forge
MF - Kosi Thompson, Toronto FC II
MF - Rida Zouhir, CF Montreal
FW - Kamron Habibullah, Vancouver Whitecaps FC
FW - Lowell Wright, York United
FC
FW - Huge Mbongue, Toronto FC II
FW - Jean-Aniel Assi, CF Montreal
FW - Sean Rea, CF Montreal

Rest of the World

GK - Owen Goodman, Crystal Palace U-18s
DF - Justin Smith, OGC Nice
MF - Antoine Coupland, 
MF - Lucas Dias, Sporting Lisbon U-23
MF - Georgi Atanasov, Arda Kardzhali 
MF - Luca Kelosha, RCD Espanyol U-19
FW - Federico Rose, Velez Sarfield U-19
FW - Tiago Coimbra, Palmerias U-19
FW - Jules Vilsaint, Antwerp U-21

We got a lot of attackers in the pipeline, did I miss any defenders? 

Are there any kids in the US college ranks too who could contribute too? As in the past this age group teams have seemed mostly be kids from the three MLS academies/reserve teams with some others sprinkled in. With it being in the summer getting players released from European teams would not seem to be an issue, am I right? 

[El Hombre]

1 hour ago, Shway said:

We got a lot of attackers in the pipeline, did I miss any defenders? 

Matteo Campagna for sure.  Maybe Noah Abatneh.

[VinceA]

2 hours ago, Shway said:

A few players I think we’ll be mentioned.

Domestic 

GK - Emil Gazdov, Pacific FC
DF - Kobe Franklin, Toronto FC II
DF - Keesean Ferdinand, CF montreal
MF - Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty, Toronto FC
MF - Sebastian Castello, Forge
MF - Kosi Thompson, Toronto FC II
MF - Rida Zouhir, CF Montreal
FW - Kamron Habibullah, Vancouver Whitecaps FC
FW - Lowell Wright, York United
FC
FW - Huge Mbongue, Toronto FC II
FW - Jean-Aniel Assi, CF Montreal
FW - Sean Rea, CF Montreal

Rest of the World

GK - Owen Goodman, Crystal Palace U-18s
DF - Justin Smith, OGC Nice
MF - Antoine Coupland, 
MF - Lucas Dias, Sporting Lisbon U-23
MF - Georgi Atanasov, Arda Kardzhali 
MF - Luca Kelosha, RCD Espanyol U-19
FW - Federico Rose, Velez Sarfield U-19
FW - Tiago Coimbra, Palmerias U-19
FW - Jules Vilsaint, Antwerp U-21

We got a lot of attackers in the pipeline, did I miss any defenders? 

LA Galaxy's Marcus Ferkranus, and I'd add Edmonton loanee Felix N'Sa and Forge's Johnny Son.

[VinceA]

One interesting thing is to add is I wonder if the team would run some sort of 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 and emulate the senior team. 

 

The U23s ran a 4-3-3 (a wack one at that, wtf was Biello doing with Bassong the whole tourney) but I think this was before we really committed to a 3atb system at the senior level.

Edited February 11, 2022 by VinceA

[Cblake]

3 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

San Pedro Sula has three:

Olímpico Metropolitano

Yankel Rosenthal

Francisco Morazán

 

Just for reference, back when San Pedro Sula hosted the Woman's U20 :

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_CONCACAF_Women's_U-20_Championship

In Toronto/GTA could you not use BMO, York U and say THF just as an example. Maybe even Lamport Stadium. Unlike say hocky arenas does many more cities have two suitable venues? I am not sure what the attendance expectations are for  such an event. 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Cblake

[JamesF]

Could u do it in Victoria? starlight stadium, Royal Athletic Park which we used as a venue in 2007 U19 World Cup and u can also use University of Victoria Centennial Stadium?

[Xavier.]

3 hours ago, Shway said:

A few players I think we’ll be mentioned.

Domestic 

GK - Emil Gazdov, Pacific FC
DF - Kobe Franklin, Toronto FC II
DF - Keesean Ferdinand, CF montreal
MF - Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty, Toronto FC
MF - Sebastian Castello, Forge
MF - Kosi Thompson, Toronto FC II
MF - Rida Zouhir, CF Montreal
FW - Kamron Habibullah, Vancouver Whitecaps FC
FW - Lowell Wright, York United
FC
FW - Huge Mbongue, Toronto FC II
FW - Jean-Aniel Assi, CF Montreal
FW - Sean Rea, CF Montreal

Rest of the World

GK - Owen Goodman, Crystal Palace U-18s
DF - Justin Smith, OGC Nice
MF - Antoine Coupland, 
MF - Lucas Dias, Sporting Lisbon U-23
MF - Georgi Atanasov, Arda Kardzhali 
MF - Luca Kelosha, RCD Espanyol U-19
FW - Federico Rose, Velez Sarfield U-19
FW - Tiago Coimbra, Palmerias U-19
FW - Jules Vilsaint, Antwerp U-21

We got a lot of attackers in the pipeline, did I miss any defenders? 

Couple things

Rea is too old.

Abatneh (called up for the u20 camp in January), Campagna, Pellegrino should be there

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Xavier.

[Shway]

30 minutes ago, Xavier. said:

Couple things

Rea is too old.

Abatneh (called up for the u20 camp in January), Campagna, Pellegrino should be there

 

Would he be to old for the final tournament but not for the qualifying in June?

Not sure how this rule works?
(however I get that it wouldn’t make sense to bring a guy who wouldn’t be eligible if they made it)

 

[toontownman]

Any chance we can muscle in on the USA tournament?

We desperately need a camp and some games. 

I have very little faith we can do anything but flop without the above happening and the uninspiring coaching appointment.

If we somehow manage to to persuade any of the dual nationals to take part we could have a reasonably solid squad.

If we don't run something in March we will likely lose Kelosha back to the states too.

With the men's program taking off in the public eye, getting to the Olympics is such an important part of cementing the game into the mainstream fabric of Canada. I am pretty sad the u20s became qualifying as our u23s would likely have been strong.

 

[Xavier.]

2 hours ago, Shway said:

Would he be to old for the final tournament but not for the qualifying in June?

Not sure how this rule works?
(however I get that it wouldn’t make sense to bring a guy who wouldn’t be eligible if they made it)

 

Based on the rosters for the pre tournament late 2021,  even for the qualifier you cannot be 2002 or older.

[JamesF]

 

[VinceA]

10 minutes ago, JamesF said:

 

Interesting to see some of the names listed. I do hope the CSA takes into account guys who are already playing pro, which at the U20 level we have an abundance like we've never had before.

[toontownman]

Franz Mella, Max Schiller, Matteo Galati 

Max Schiller: CB at CD Portosantense. (Portugese 4th tier)   https://www.transfermarkt.com/max-schiller/profil/spieler/984134

3 hours ago, Atlantic said:

Franz Mella (2003) - attacker? Maritimo U19 - https://www.transfermarkt.us/franz-mella/profil/spieler/984135 

Matteo Galati (2004) - Attacking mid Sporting U19 - https://www.transfermarkt.us/matteo-galati/profil/spieler/984104 

[P-O]

Do we finally have all these kids in some academy in Europe?

I thought I'd never see the day.

They won't all pan out, but...good to have so many options.

Do we know if these kids are 'Canadian' and only moved for football of if they are duals without any Canadian background except a parent?

[Dominic94]

1 hour ago, toontownman said:

Franz Mella, Max Schiller, Matteo Galati 

Max Schiller: CB at CD Portosantense. (Portugese 4th tier)   https://www.transfermarkt.com/max-schiller/profil/spieler/984134

3 hours ago, Atlantic said:

Franz Mella (2003) - attacker? Maritimo U19 - https://www.transfermarkt.us/franz-mella/profil/spieler/984135 

Matteo Galati (2004) - Attacking mid Sporting U19 - https://www.transfermarkt.us/matteo-galati/profil/spieler/984104 

Interesting guys that we didn’t know aboutz

[Atlantic]

9 minutes ago, P-O said:

Do we finally have all these kids in some academy in Europe?

I thought I'd never see the day.

They won't all pan out, but...good to have so many options.

Do we know if these kids are 'Canadian' and only moved for football of if they are duals without any Canadian background except a parent?

All 3 of those kids are Canadian born and raised and only just recently left Futsal Club Toronto. Galati has played for Team Ontario at the U15 level. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Atlantic

[TGAA_Star]

Plus our Olympic generation will make up our future generation of players we will have coming through our program similar to how the USMNT use the Olympics to build up future generations of their program, we should use that very same approach for our program now