Possible CPL Salary Cap Discussion

[Cheeta]

5 minutes ago, CDNFootballer said:

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For CPL I'd agree that a luxury tax should be implemented and higher spending clubs have the option to bring in a marque player or two.

I don't want to see a dull, manufactured parity of clubs across the league.If a club or two wants to spend above the cap and pay a luxury tax for a player or two then give them that freedom.

 Exactly.

Yes everyone wants an opportunity for their team to have a fighting chance and yes, a salary cap will assist with that.  But that's it.  It's just one tool in the kit.  As would be a luxury tax.  Both offer something whilst guaranteeing nothing.  

And if clubs A, B & C want to subsidize the league's operating costs through a luxury tax, let them!  Premium clubs draw premium crowds where ever they go.  So if along the way whilst they are driving the gates up in somebody else's building  because of those added expenses I say go ahead.  Knock yourself out kid.  It's win-win for everybody else. 

Lifetime ago but I'm sure if you researched it the best gates for the Fury (Winnipeg), always one of the better supported CSL clubs, were when they hosted the '86s or Steelers.  A sure as shit loss if not an out-right licking most nights but never one to miss.

 

 

[-Hammer-]

My opinion on this is that there has to be a cap. Hamilton and Winnipeg will be clear have teams (as far as disposable income) with York and Pacific being clear have nots. If there's no cap, there won't be parity and that is something this league will need. My concern though is once you've laid down the cap, it is incredibly hard baring a major players strike or direct involvement from FIFA to shake that cap should the league take off.

As far as what the cap will be? I figure minimum 650,000 max 800,000. One of the things the Fury situation showed is that the CanPL is still in the ballpark of the USL but not going to start at the same level. That gives a decent payout, and wiggle room to work with.

What I'd like to see them adopt the fine system the CFL uses for going over the cap. It's pretty easy. Your first 100K, you pay a dollar fine for every dollar you are over the cap. When you break 100K you then pay a 2 dollar fine for every dollar you are over the cap and you lose a draft pick. When you break 200K you pay a 3 dollar fine for every dollar over the cap and lose another pick, and it keeps going.  You can do it, but your cost of overpaying quickly gets out of hand. Setup the same rule with every 25K and I don't think you'll see many teams spend 250,000 to spend an extra 100,000. You then throw revenue sharing into that equation, and suddenly the league moves towards financial stability.

 

Edited October 30, 2018 by -Hammer-

[rob.notenboom]

10 hours ago, -Hammer- said:

My opinion on this is that there has to be a cap. Hamilton and Winnipeg will be clear have teams (as far as disposable income) with York and Pacific being clear have nots.

I’m not so certain about Winnipeg being a ‘have’ team. They certainly have the advantage of being in their own stadium and their membership sales have been strong. But they are community owned and there are significant restrictions that go along with that. They simply can’t lose millions on the soccer team or it will be shut down very quickly. 

Not saying that York 9’s owners are willing to lose millions, but with billionaire ownership they at least have the option. 

[1996]

4 hours ago, rob.notenboom said:

I’m not so certain about Winnipeg being a ‘have’ team. They certainly have the advantage of being in their own stadium and their membership sales have been strong. But they are community owned and there are significant restrictions that go along with that. They simply can’t lose millions on the soccer team or it will be shut down very quickly. 

Not saying that York 9’s owners are willing to lose millions, but with billionaire ownership they at least have the option. 

Who is their billionaire owners?

[Ansem]

7 minutes ago, 1996 said:

Who is their billionaire owners?

I think the home construction owner is the money behind the club. 

[rob.notenboom]

15 minutes ago, 1996 said:

Who is their billionaire owners?

https://www.greenparkgroup.ca/about/#carlo

 

I may be off on my net worth figure, but I’ve been told by reasonable sources that the family’s net worth is 10 figures. 

However, even if it’s 9 or 8 figures, their discretionary spending power would far outstrip the Bombers. 

 

Edit: Honestly, this is one thing that has me feeling very positive about the league and its prospects. If the Baldassarras, Bob Young, The Southerns, and Tom Fath are really committed to the long term success of the league, collectively they’ll easily be able to weather financial difficulties over the first few years. The other players don’t have the same financial resources, but hopefully they will help each other out to a point. 

Edited October 30, 2018 by rob.notenboom

[Ansem]

31 minutes ago, rob.notenboom said:

https://www.greenparkgroup.ca/about/#carlo

 

I may be off on my net worth figure, but I’ve been told by reasonable sources that the family’s net worth is 10 figures. 

However, even if it’s 9 or 8 figures, their discretionary spending power would far outstrip the Bombers. 

 

Edit: Honestly, this is one thing that has me feeling very positive about the league and its prospects. If the Baldassarras, Bob Young, The Southerns, and Tom Fath are really committed to the long term success of the league, collectively they’ll easily be able to weather financial difficulties over the first few years. The other players don’t have the same financial resources, but hopefully they will help each other out to a point. 

We never know 100% who are all the people behind a group. Silent partners are possible like in the case of Halifax. York 9 must have money because retrofitting those 2 stadiums and planning a brand new modern stadium in Vaughan is no cheap task. That club will most likely loose lots of money so I doubt he's the only one signing checks if your figures are true... but I think he should be worth a bit more. Baldassarra on his own or not, there's money behind York 9.

Edited October 30, 2018 by Ansem

[MtlMario]

34 minutes ago, rob.notenboom said:

https://www.greenparkgroup.ca/about/#carlo

 

I may be off on my net worth figure, but I’ve been told by reasonable sources that the family’s net worth is 10 figures. 

However, even if it’s 9 or 8 figures, their discretionary spending power would far outstrip the Bombers. 

 

Edit: Honestly, this is one thing that has me feeling very positive about the league and its prospects. If the Baldassarras, Bob Young, The Southerns, and Tom Fath are really committed to the long term success of the league, collectively they’ll easily be able to weather financial difficulties over the first few years. The other players don’t have the same financial resources, but hopefully they will help each other out to a point. 

Interesting to see Greenpark is official Home Builder of TFC (MLSE).

[Initial B]

On 10/28/2018 at 9:58 AM, Unnamed Trialist said:

No, actually: some here are seriously advocating to set up rules, like the convoluted MLS system. And they are imagining very complex ways to essentially discriminate, limit, impede, place stumbling blocks, and generally treat clubs like idiots. And I am against that. 

Hey, here's idle speculation of the sort you say is what we are really doing: divide a cap of a million by 23, that gives you 43,000  and a bit each. Do it as a cooperative.

 

On 10/28/2018 at 11:04 AM, Ams1984 said:

In my opinion, the fewer MLS style restrictions the better. I’ve always disliked MLS’ arbitrary and limiting roster and salary rules. 

In my opinion, you *need* restrictions, just due to the goal of the league - develop young Canadian talent for the CMNT.  Look at the USL - many of the players in there are from Caribbean and CA countries rather than Americans. Clubs that want to be competitive will look for the best talent at the price point and, bluntly, they're not Canadian. Good CONCACAF players from poorer countries will jump at the chance to be paid in a currency that would convert to a substantial sum in their home country. Unless you put those player restrictions in place (and attach salary ranges to those pools of players) we risk becoming like the EPL that doesn't help England's national team.

You also need to be sustainable or you end up like the NASL, thus a cap. You need limits in place because, honestly, I *don't* trust that the owners aren't idiots because we don't have enough soccer knowledge in this country to know what works and what doesn't. Bluntly, the CPL can't afford to have an owner make a mistake that brings down the whole league. Once the league has made it through the first 10 years, then by all means, reduce the restrictions. But until that time, I want to see as many restrictions as needed to ensure survival of the league.

Edited October 31, 2018 by Initial B

[SthMelbRed]

There only need to be 2 roster rules:

1. Salary cap

2. Minimum number of domestic players on roster/game day squad/starting 11.

Each team should be free to do as they see fit within those two simple rules.

[YTZ]

34 minutes ago, SthMelbRed said:

There only need to be 2 roster rules:

1. Salary cap

2. Minimum number of domestic players on roster/game day squad/starting 11.

Each team should be free to do as they see fit within those two simple rules.

I'd like to be as simple as possible as well, but I think you need a minimum and maximum salary as well. 

[SthMelbRed]

37 minutes ago, YTZ said:

I'd like to be as simple as possible as well, but I think you need a minimum and maximum salary as well. 

Fair enough...salary cap and salary floor.

[Kent]

18 hours ago, YTZ said:

I'd like to be as simple as possible as well, but I think you need a minimum and maximum salary as well. 

I don't understand the need for a maximum salary for a single player. I do understand the need for a minimum, and there might even be a need for 2 different minimums. Meaning, one for a full timer, and one for a development contract (i.e. U-Sports draftees, in order to maintain their eligibility).

[ted]

37 minutes ago, Kent said:

I don't understand the need for a maximum salary for a single player.

Yeah that seems rather pointless. 

[Ansem]

Add minimum minutes for youth players like Liga MX is going which helps the Mexican team. You create that competition at that level that forces those youth players to work much more harder at improving their skills and conditioning. 

Best motivation is the line up of other kids starving for your spot.

That's why I think that the CDN domestic will better than anticipated. 

[baulderdash77]

Honestly the simpler the better.  One of the things that drives people nuts about MLS is the arcane ever changing roster rules.  It’s crazy.

 

1). Salary Cap, or a mechanism to keep some semblance of competitive parity.

2) Min player salary rule- full roster and development contract players.

3) Canadian content rule.

That’s it.  Nice and simple and no team needs a capologist or specialists to work out the nuances of the rules.

[Initial B]

^ Again, what is the purpose of this league? From my understanding, it's to provide a stable domestic league to train up young Canadian Players to the point where they can make the CMNT. You will need roster and salary rules to help aid that purpose.

[Blackjack15]

I would like to see a u20/u23 Rule where you have to give Young’s players a certain amount of minutes in a season 

[RickC]

7 hours ago, Blackjack15 said:

I would like to see a u20/u23 Rule where you have to give Young’s players a certain amount of minutes in a season 

Do  you mean every CPL club needs to give Bob Young's youth players minutes, or just Forge FC? Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Blackjack15]

 

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Edited November 13, 2018 by Thomas

[Blackjack15]

David Clanachan has said it would be finalized this month. Any news/updates? 

[Guest]

On 11/1/2018 at 7:00 PM, Initial B said:

^ Again, what is the purpose of this league? From my understanding, it's to provide a stable domestic league to train up young Canadian Players to the point where they can make the CMNT. You will need roster and salary rules to help aid that purpose.

I would say the purpose is quite a bit broader than that. I would certainly include the aspect of bringing professional football to Canadian fans.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

This tweet is worth highlighting, if only because it comes from a mainstream media source:

This $35k number still keeps getting mentioned for starter quality players and fits the alleged $500k cap if the roster is going to be small with a lot of local youth players making up the numbers.

Edited December 15, 2018 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[CDNFootballer]

He's pushing the Fury spin on their salaries, they may have some players at 70k but that's far from their average, young players in USL getting as low as under 10k per season. Majority of USL  teams at around the 500K USD mark

Rollins mentioned 750K cdn team budgets this week which translates to more than most USL teams pay.

Edited December 15, 2018 by CDNFootballer

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

People accept this CanPL is higher than USL thing on here as something akin to an article of faith, but the question to ponder at that point would be why are the Fury so adamant that they don't want to be a CanPL team if that's really true? I don't think Rollins was necessarily wrong on the $750k thing because it has been made clear at various points that coaching and front office staff will also be subject to a cap and a player-coach would count against both, so he may be quoting a combined rather than a players only number.