Possible CPL Salary Cap Discussion

[ted]

On 12/17/2018 at 6:31 PM, BenFisk'sBiggestFan said:

They have publicly stated that players will be under contract of the teams, not the league. I can’t remember where I saw that though. Might have been at an fc Edmonton meeting...

Great, but that changes nothing. The League is still the overall business (ie. Macdonalds) and the teams (franchises) do not compete against each other.
Corporate polices with a single corporation are NOT collusion of any kind.

[BenFisk'sBiggestFan]

3 hours ago, ted said:

Great, but that changes nothing. The League is still the overall business (ie. Macdonalds) and the teams (franchises) do not compete against each other.
Corporate polices with a single corporation are NOT collusion of any kind.

For sure, I agree with that part for sure. Salary Caps are not collusion. It is just a part of the business model. Even if the league isn’t single entity, the separate teams are participating in a competition run by a single entity. So that league should be able to put in rules without calls for collusion.

[Keegan]

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/soccer/almost-like-it-was-fate/amp#click=https://t.co/0fa7Y0yYuR

salaries between $35k and 75k.

”And Sacramento won’t get rich doing it, most players likely to earn between $35,000 and $75,000 per season in the CPL, at least to start”

most players.. so there may be some below and some above but a median salary of $55k is not bad at all.

Edited December 20, 2018 by Keegan

[Bison44]

So with a 22 man roster, roughly 800 to 1.2 million on salary.  Not the doomsday, semi-pro 750,000 put forth by some "fans" and I'm guessing not too high to scare away lower budget teams or break anyones back in year 1.  So far I am happy with the guys Valour have been getting with this salary structure.  

[hamiltonfan]

2 hours ago, Keegan said:

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/soccer/almost-like-it-was-fate/amp#click=https://t.co/0fa7Y0yYuR

salaries between $35k and 75k.

”And Sacramento won’t get rich doing it, most players likely to earn between $35,000 and $75,000 per season in the CPL, at least to start”

most players.. so there may be some below and some above but a median salary of $55k is not bad at all.

This is an actuate range. If all information was made public I’d suspect  a median wage to be closer to 40-45k.

Here my understanding of going wage brackets. Entry level in mid $20s. Bench $30s. Rotational players $35-$45. Starting XI $40-$60. “DP” $60-75k. I’m not sure if there will be more than 1-2 players per team that will be make the top bracket. 

Edited December 20, 2018 by hamiltonfan

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

That confirms the 35k number that has been mentioned repeatedly. Obvious question before it is safe to start throwing cap numbers around is how many players are getting 75k and whether they need to double dip on the coaching side of things to be able to do it.

[Keegan]

I think it’s a safe bet that the cap is $800k+  based on what we know.  A 22 man roster at an average $35k a player is 770k so even that is extremely conservative. 

If I had to guess I would bet the cap is $1M.  It just has to be if you do basic math and use logic.  It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s 1.5 M though.. just in case teams like Valour and Forge want to spend a little more.  The difference between a 1M and 1.5M roster is literally nothing so a team shouldn’t be worried if they’re spending 900k and rivals are a few hundred thousand higher - that’s not going to decide anything but you may be able to bring in some more “names”. 

Even if you do it like this: $45k average salary for the 18 game day squad (very conservative).. $20k average for 5 developmental type players.. that’s $910,000 being conservative!

Edited December 20, 2018 by Keegan

[CDNFootballer]

6 hours ago, Keegan said:

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/soccer/almost-like-it-was-fate/amp#click=https://t.co/0fa7Y0yYuR

salaries between $35k and 75k.

”And Sacramento won’t get rich doing it, most players likely to earn between $35,000 and $75,000 per season in the CPL, at least to start”

most players.. so there may be some below and some above but a median salary of $55k is not bad at all.

55K as an average would be $1.265 million, a very good starting point for CPL if that's the case and above most USL teams.

[Cheeta]

Here's hoping.

[Guest]

On 12/20/2018 at 8:00 PM, CDNFootballer said:

55K as an average would be $1.265 million, a very good starting point for CPL if that's the case and above most USL teams.

Apparently the OPERATING BUDGET (all costs) will be $1.1m to $1.5m per CPL team. In England, for lower league teams, 60% of turnover on player salaries is considered healthy. That percentage is likely to be lower in CPL because of higher travel costs. If we take 50% of $1.3m we get a salary cap of around $650k. Squad size is apparently 20-23 players, which would give an average salary of $28,260 - $32,500.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

There haven't been many signings so far where $35k looks unrealistically low as a salary given where they have been playing immediately previously, and that may only be what projected starters are getting. Suspect they could get away with less for the three U-21 players, for example. The relatively low operating budgets are a reason for optimism where the league's longevity is concerned. I'd be very surprised if there are no teams turning a small profit under that scenario on first season operations, if league and stadium related startup costs are ignored.

Edited February 3, 2019 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[Alex D]

10 hours ago, dsqpr said:

Apparently the OPERATING BUDGET (all costs) will be $1.1m to $1.5m per CPL team. In England, for lower league teams, 60% of turnover on player salaries is considered healthy. That percentage is likely to be lower in CPL because of higher travel costs. If we take 50% of $1.3m we get a salary cap of around $650k. Squad size is apparently 20-23 players, which would give an average salary of $28,260 - $32,500.

I do not believe this is correct at all. Having a general idea what teams spend in the USL and the NASL (RIP) it's impossible to run a cross country professional sports team on those budgets even if they players were free. 

[Ansem]

I thought it was $5M. Now how much of that will be allocated to player's salary is the heart of the matter.

I think they haven't decided yet.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

The $5 million number probably includes the franchise fee (I've seen $3 million for that but don't remember where) and other year one startup costs. If $1.1 million is accurate as the lower end of the range on annual operating costs, it's pretty much in line with what the CSL wanted to do 30 years ago when you adjust for inflation. To me that's a very good thing and has made me a lot more upbeat about the league surviving as I think crowds will be significantly better this time and will probably easily sustain something on that scale in at least some of the markets, but others see it differently obviously.

Edited February 3, 2019 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[Ansem]

3 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

The $5 million number probably includes the franchise fee (I've seen $3 million for that but don't remember where) and other year one startup costs.

You don't know then

 

[SthMelbRed]

10 minutes ago, Ansem said:

You don't know then

 

He doesn't know anything. 

[yellowsweatygorilla]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/unique-opportunity-building-canadian-premier-league-team/

 

23 men roster coming up again 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Alex D said:

I do not believe this is correct at all. Having a general idea what teams spend in the USL and the NASL (RIP) it's impossible to run a cross country professional sports team on those budgets even if they players were free. 

Here is the source: 

It is possible that the person commenting has confused "salary cap" with "operating budget".

[Winnipeg Fury]

On 12/20/2018 at 1:47 PM, Keegan said:

https://winnipegsun.com/sports/soccer/almost-like-it-was-fate/amp#click=https://t.co/0fa7Y0yYuR

salaries between $35k and 75k.

”And Sacramento won’t get rich doing it, most players likely to earn between $35,000 and $75,000 per season in the CPL, at least to start”

most players.. so there may be some below and some above but a median salary of $55k is not bad at all.

The average working wage in Winnipeg is $41,000.  For a starting wage, respectable by any standard.

Players also have additional bonuses like 'housing allowance, ' etc.....

 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Winnipeg Fury

[Ansem]

1 hour ago, dsqpr said:

Here is the source: 

It is possible that the person commenting has confused "salary cap" with "operating budget".

Jeremy Filosa doesn't know jack. He kept complaining that the league never returned his interview requests and he's written negative article about CPL out of Montreal Impact loyalty 

[Initial B]

I thought someone mentioned that they were looking at 23-player rosters for the season. that seems a little low, but if the player salary cap is $750K, then that would allow for wages in the 30-35K range.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

Both 20 and 23 have been mentioned regularly on roster size. Maybe 23 factors in the three U-sports draft players that don't necessarily get signed? If the $1.1 million number mentioned is the lowest possible total annual operating budget given the variations there will be on travel and stadium expenses, $750k wouldn't leave much for all the other necessary expenses involved. Think $750k is more likely to be a combined player and coaching/front office related staff salary cap, if that $1.1 million number is accurate and is a total budget. If it's only $500k for players as some have alleged, something like (12 projected regular starters x $35k) + (8 local fringe players including U-21s x $10k) would be the way to make it work.

[Initial B]

You mentioned the U21 players. From the Commissioner interview:

A maximum of seven international players on rosters of 20-23 players and a minimum of six Canadians in each starting XI ensure those minutes will be afforded.

And young players won’t be left behind, either, as Clanachan outlined that each club must bring on three players 21 or under, and vet them with 1,000 combined minutes of play throughout the season.

I wonder if the University students will actually get paid. Perhaps as the part of the deal with USports to allow them to play, in lieu of any monetary compensation, the league will instead give each USports player a full-ride scholarship for the following year at the university they attend.

There isn't gong to be a lot of room on the rosters for depth - It will pretty much be the game-day 18 plus a couple of spares to cover for injuries during the season.

[Unnamed Trialist]

5 hours ago, Initial B said:

I thought someone mentioned that they were looking at 23-player rosters for the season. that seems a little low, but if the player salary cap is $750K, then that would allow for wages in the 30-35K range.

If that, it will have to be 23 plus a third keeper. Unless they have a third keeper on the roster and this player simply is not called to games, unless there is a sanction or injury. 

But the fact is this: every team needs another keeper, you cannot destroy your starter overtraining if you want to practice penalties, or free kicks,  strategy, or scrimmage in a tight space. For training, a third guy is essential. 

I suspect they might identify a quality university keeper nearby, or someone playing amateur nearby, to come train with them upon occasion. I do not know how you would work this, but I think the person would have to be paid, like bringing in a physio or other specialist. Pay him for sessions, or a retainer of sorts.

Injuries and red cards usually mean a third keeper will be called to a few games, and may even play for a few CPL teams this season.

[Initial B]

It sounds like third keeper would be an ideal use for one of the USports slots. From a financial perspective, if not a development perspective.