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  1. From what I have watch online and from the Wanderers-Fury Voyageurs Cup match, I'm pleasantly surprised and pleased at the level of play under the rumored salary cap. The entertainment value and accessibility has exceeded my expectations. Now I just hope that the league will have grown to 12 teams by 2022.
  2. I think that without Pro-Rel, you need a cap to prevent some owners from screwing the pooch on acquisitions. With no cap if one team spends itself into an untenable situation, they'll get relegated to the next division where they can rebuild their finances. With no lower division safety net then that team would go under, introducing instability into the professional pyramid.
  3. If a CPL team beats an MLS team, then maybe that would be enough to convince them it's a decent enough level to be included? I mean, they've got Ireland in there. All the FIFA leagues have at least 10 teams, so maybe they're waiting to get to that point?
  4. To me, CanPL is looking pretty good, but if I were a businessman I would want to assess the risk before jumping to a new league. When OSEG jumped from NASL to USL, it was pretty obvious the NASL was imploding and the USL conference system meant less travel and therefore lower operational costs. It also had more home games to help increase gate revenues. At this point, joining CPL may still trigger financial penalties and they'll be losing a home date and its associated revenue. I just have this gut feeling that they'll wait until CanPL has 3 years under its belt before making a switch, or whenever the current USL agreement runs out.
  5. I think part of the problem will be coming up with enough funding to build a stadium from whole cloth. I get the feeling that CPL stadiums will need to be build in piecemeal chunks. Build the temporary seating for 5000 on two sides first with food trucks and porta-potties, then slowly add additional seating stands around the other two sides as attendance warrants, then remove one of the temporary stands and build a proper, permanent stand with concessions, corporate suites, washrooms, change rooms, and space for club administration/training along one side.
  6. The land (Belmont Park) that the Cosmos staked on for building their stadium got buried in red tape and was eventually sold to the NY Islanders for a new NHL arena. NY real estate is a byzantine process.
  7. As an alternate, look at what happened to the NASL. They announced several teams that never signed a player, and allowed in some clubs that folded within two years. CanPL is being prudent and cautious and I can't blame them with the NA soccer history against them.
  8. Personally, I'd like to see something like what San Antonio FC uses - Toyota Field. It holds over 8000 spectators for soccer (13000 for concerts) and can be expandable to 18000+ if they make it to MLS. It has some corporate suites as well to generate additional revenue. It took about a year to build and was sold in 2015 for $21 Million. I think something like this would be just about the right size for CPL.
  9. Look, I understand the emotion here, but remember that OSEG is running as a business. I've talked to them at various Fury events and they say that they'll join CanPL if forced to, but if CanPL fails then the Fury will fold as apparently they can't go back to USL. CanPL survival should not hinge on whether or not the Fury joins CanPL. As I said in another thread, I'm betting that the Fury will Join CanPL in 2022 after 5 years in USL and 3 years of CanPL growth. At that point I can't see why they wouldn't. As for the other team that have been mentioned. CPL doesn't want TFCII, and there is no way TFCII will be joining L1O as they previously had TFCIII playing in that league and pulled it out to join the USSF Academy development league. Thunder Bay Chill is another one that due to it's geographic location will probably stay in USL League 2 for the time being since St Louis is still closer than Toronto or Edmonton.
  10. I think you'll see the Fury join CPL for the 2022 season. By that point, they'll have been in the USL for 5 years and the CPL will have been through three years of operations. If the CPL is stable and growing, I can't see why OSEG wouldn't join CPL at that point.
  11. On another note, I was just thinking about how pro-rel would be implemented in CanPL and I wondered: Does a salary-capped league need pro-rel? Usually Pro-rel is in leagues where there is no cap on spending, therefore some teams spend much more than others and create a noticeable gap in quality between top and bottom. CanPL (and MLS) are built on the idea that even if you have a bad season, you could rebound and win it all the following year because of wage parity. The only reason to split into divisions is if there are too many teams in the league and it gets cumbersome. If CPL never expands beyond 16 teams and a salary cap is always in place, I can't see a reason for Pro-Rel.
  12. Just to the east of those buildings is a pre-existing grandstand that looks like it could hold at least 2000 people. They just need to remove the stage and equipment, till the soil, unroll some sod, surround it with some additional modular seating, and they'll have a decent start.
  13. Pugh is more a minor partner compared to the rest of the ownership. It's probably Roger Greenberg and John Ruddy that are making most of the decisions and everything is filters through the RedBlack's lens. They have financial priority, follow probably equally by the 67's and the Fury.
  14. Fury Supporter here. Both supporter groups are probably going to be on the north side of the field, though at opposite ends. Bytowne Boys et al are near the entrance to Gate 4, while you guys will probably be in the section by Gate 1. Try not to set the stands on fire in that section like the Inebriatti did during the TFC match last year.
  15. Looking at the Oakville site, it looks almost ideal. Jason de Vos has ties to the club and the current President is Steven Caldwell. They could create a P3 with Sheridan College to expand the Stadium site to hold more events for the student body (over 20K) and the town itself (~200K). The location is 3.5km from the regional GO Rail Station and Oakville Place Mall and is served by several Oakville Transit bus routes. If they can get an additional investor with deep pockets, I think they could could be a successful franchise. My one concern is the deepening concentration of franchises in the Golden Horseshoe. I could see half the League's teams being within a 2 hour drive of each other. London, Kitchener-Waterloo, Hamilton, Oakville, Brampton, Mississauga, York, Oshawa - that would give them an operational/financial advantage over the other franchises that have to travel to the GTA repeatedly by plane instead of by bus. Otoh, with 7.7 million potential fans that is over 20% of the Canadian population. If they get 8 viable clubs in such a small area, those core clubs would provide a stable base even if other clubs elsewhere in the country join, struggle/thrive and/or fold.
  16. I see one team in Saskatoon before one in Regina. They'll have a fanbase that doesn't have to travel for summer sports entertainment. I could see CanPL trying to stabilize the National and Regional leagues concurrently, with the eventual goal of instituting of Pro-Rel in a couple of decades. I think regional leagues should have at least 8 clubs in them, preferably more. L1O has 16 men's teams while PLSQ has 9 men's teams. If they can get 8 clubs each in a BC and Prairie League, we just might have something. Would it be too much to expect to have BC, Alberta, Prairies, Ontario, Quebec, and Maritimes Regional Leagues? Or would 4 Leagues be more viable, rolling the Maritimes and Prairies into the Quebec and Alberta Leagues respectively? So a 12-16 team national League and four 8-16 team regional leagues - that would require 34-80 clubs nationwide. I don't see many of the regional clubs being viable nationally, but it only takes two or three to be chomping at the bit to play against the big boys to start implementing pro-rel.
  17. I can agree with the spirit of your plan, but I foresee the following path: The CanPL will be aggressive about expanding to 10 clubs before focusing on building the regional leagues as incubators for future potential CanPL clubs There will be three Regional leagues instead of two, which would mirror the structure of Canadian Junior Hockey, with no inter-regional games. the Regional leagues will be based around L1O, PLSQ, and a new Western Regional League incorporating eligible clubs from the PCSL and PDL. As the regional clubs mature, the CanPL will invite those clubs that meet the Div 1 standards to join the national league, similar to what seems to be going on between MLS and USL in America. Once the CanPL reaches 16 teams and there is sufficient pressure from the Regional leagues, they may start implementing Pro-Rel. But more likely I expect they'll have an annual draft of Regional players to join CanPL clubs to replace CanPL players that were sold on to other leagues. CanPL clubs will have to pay transfer fees to the Regional clubs they draft the players from. The Regional leagues will morph into U-20 leagues, much like Canadian Junior Hockey is now, with graduating players moving up the ladder instead of clubs. Likewise, players from the development leagues like the OPDL and SAAC will be drafted into the Regional leagues, with payments being made to those smaller clubs as well. So in about 20 years I could see CanPL being the top Canadian league, with L1O, PLSQ, and Western Canada Soccer League supporting it from below developing the U20-U17 players. And below that are the provincial elite player development leagues developing the U16-U13 players. And at the lowest level there would be the local elite programs for the U12-U8 players with festivals showcasing their talent.
  18. I like the wood framing used in this stadium - it gives an organic feel to the place. Definitely have to visit when I next get out that way. Here's to hoping the attendance metrics are met!
  19. I would agree with this if the schedule was balanced. However, with an unbalanced schedule no two teams would have played the same number of games against the same teams, which would lead to questions about strength of schedule. The playoffs will put them to rest. Once the league gets to 12 teams or more, I expect CanPL will have a two-round, single-match, NASL-style playoff including the two season champions and the two teams with the next best records.
  20. That is... a very odd acronym for a league based in the States. I wonder if Commisso and Silva are trying to rebrand NASL and doing this as a big FU to the Faths. CPL better get their copyright lawyers warmed up.
  21. I was just reading in another thread how WestJet is providing transportation options for the CPL. If we narrow down prospective cities to match those that WestJet flies to, then teams can be drawn from a prospective pool of: East: St John's, Gander, Corner Brook, Sydney, Halifax, Charlottetown, Moncton, Fredericton, Quebec City, Montreal. Central: Ottawa, Toronto, Hamilton, Kitchener-Waterloo, London, Windsor, Thunder Bay, Winnipeg, Brandon. West: Regina, Saskatoon, Calgary, Edmonton, Grand Prairie, Fort McMurray, Kamloops, Kelowna, Penticton, Abbotsford, Prince George, Fort St John, Vancouver, Victoria, Nanaimo, Whitehorse(!), Yellowknife(!) Notice there is no Saint John, NB. Still, that is 36 towns that WestJet flies to - enough for a Div1 and possibly Div2 setup.
  22. The last couple of seasons, the away support has been located on the North side field level beside Gate 1 or Gate 4. If you want to know what the section looks like, just google the Inebriatti ruckus footage. The Fury supporters have been sitting in the Gate 4 area this season, so I'm hoping there aren't any security issues with the two supporter groups needing to pass each other to get to their seats.
  23. So is the AMSL classified as a Regional Div 3, like L1O and PLSQ, or are there some factors preventing the league from categorizing itself as such?
  24. Someone up thread said that pro-rel works in europe because there was a problem to solve: too many teams. Canada has it's own problem to solve with Pro-Rel: too much space. Personally, I think by 2026 they will have at least 12 teams, possibly as many as 16 teams. At the same time CanPL is growing, they will also be hard at work nurturing regional clubs towards being ready for a jump up to next-tier play. The 2026WC will be used by CanPL and CanSoc to promote national and regional pro soccer to the general public and watch how support rises or falls. Come 2028, the media deal runs out and everything will be up for renegotiation. Depending on the value of the new media deal and the results from the cultivation of regional lower-tier clubs, that's the point where CanPL will take stock and figure out if Pro-Rel is viable. How they work it out would solve issues with clubs attempting to bridge the gap between National Div 1 and Regional Div 3, giving them a path forward.
  25. I've been doing some thinking about how to implement a regional 2nd division in CPL and the problem I come across is that I don't think there are enough teams out west to do it. They can't even get a regional 3 division off the ground in BC or Alberta, they have to join USL2. Ontario and Quebec seem to have the majority of the I'm wondering if the plan is to build the footprint of soccer clubs out west (say 7 teams) in a 16-club CPL. The remaining teams will be in Ontario and parts east. I could see a second division solely comprised of eastern teams. If they institute pro-rel, only the eastern teams would be considered for relegation because if a western team was relegated, that would be a death sentence due to the loss of media revenue and ballooning travel costs. This asymmetrical format would have to continue until they get enough western teams to make it's own regional Div2, which might take 2 decades.
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