dyslexic nam Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ansem said: Perhaps the CSA understands that a great manager capable of making our national team play better or overachieve isn't a solution Rebuilding the program from the ground up is a better long term solution. Herdman did it for the women. There's a logic here despite how it went down No offence, but "a great manager capable of making our national team play better or overachieve" is precisely what we need as head coach. The CMNT coach is not the person who single handedly rebuilds our entire national soccer infrastructure - he is the guy who gets results with the players he has, and tries to recruit a few extra upgrade players... which is exactly what OZ was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 We are the Cleveland Browns of world soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Chad_Impact said: but....but....things were looking...good... Exactly..... What the f????????.... What exactly happened??? Any details??? No wonder there has been no announcement about the U-23 camp that was scheduled for tmrw... Makes so much sense!!! But seriously, what the offing s****t is this????... I'm utterly shocked.... Bloody CSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, nolbertos said: Sorry but what club experience does Herdman have?? Zambrano at least coached in MLS. Even Stephen Hart coached kings of donair which is better than nothing. I think there’s more to this story than Peter Schaad tweets of him doing nothing. He probably though ruffling feathers here would get results, but instead the CSA and Provincial associations don’t want the status quo to change. The program needs to change, bringing Guardiola wouldn't fix our problem. I think someone started to realize that at the CSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Ansem said: The program needs to change, bringing Guardiola wouldn't fix our problem. I think someone started to realize that at the CSA What you are describing sounds like a technical director, not a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: No offence, but "a great manager capable of making our national team play better or overachieve" is precisely what we need as head coach. The CMNT coach is not the person who single handedly rebuilds our entire national soccer infrastructure - he is the guy who gets results with the players he has, and tries to recruit a few extra upgrade players... which is exactly what OZ was doing. Is that sustainable in Canada? The CSA doesn't seem to think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, harrycoyster said: There is a significant difference between "not world class" and literally zero experience coaching professional men. Stephen Hart (who was our most successful coach in recent memory) didn't exactly have as stellar a resume as Floro who was a failure (at worst) Some serious sexism (for lack of a better word) going on here about a guy who has been a pretty brilliant administrator in funneling young talent to his team uber quickly. Time for some of you cats to stop running around with your head cut off, exactly what good will that accomplish for the program. The deed is done, get behind the new mastermind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Obinna said: This cannot be real, is it? Exactly.... I'm in full disarray now my friend @Obinna.... What sort of BULLSHIT IS THIS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Ansem said: Is that sustainable in Canada? The CSA doesn't seem to think so Yes, and you are backing the CSA's innovative new approach versus the way it is done in soccer nations that actually win things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Joe MacCarthy said: Stephen Hart (who was our most successful coach in recent memory) didn't exactly have as stellar a resume as Floro who was a failure (at worst) Some serious sexism (for lack of a better word) going on here about a guy who has been a pretty brilliant administrator in funneling young talent to his team uber quickly. Time for some of you cats to stop running around with your head cut off, exactly what good will that accomplish for the program. The deed is done, get behind the new mastermind.. Yes, it is indeed sexism. To consider the level he coached at in football a suitable level for the level he is now hired at is sexist. If sex was completely taken out of the equation where would Women's football rank? 11th division England? I'm being extremely generous there. So yes, the fact that Herdman gets a job based on success at that low of a level simply because they're Women IS sexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, matty said: but jeez what a fucking shocker. Exactly.... No bloody shit!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, harrycoyster said: What you are describing sounds like a technical director, not a head coach. It was pointed out in lots of tweet that Herdman would be pretty much be a 1 man show doing multiple roles and tasks. Not saying it's ideal either but status quo wasn't working either. We don't know what was going on backstage but if Zambrano offered more of the same type of solutions from past coach, I can see why the CSA might not have been sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: Yes, and you are backing the CSA's innovative new approach versus the way it is done in soccer nations that actually win things. I'm not backing anything. Playing devils advocate but we'remuch more behind than soccer nations. We need to start over, not more innovative patches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolbertos Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe MacCarthy said: Stephen Hart (who was our most successful coach in recent memory) didn't exactly have as stellar a resume as Floro who was a failure (at worst) Some serious sexism (for lack of a better word) going on here about a guy who has been a pretty brilliant administrator in funneling young talent to his team uber quickly. Time for some of you cats to stop running around with your head cut off, exactly what good will that accomplish for the program. The deed is done, get behind the new mastermind.. Why should I accept the CSA status quo of “if its broken, why fix it” mentality. I hope Herdman gets the same scrutiny from the press and here that if he fails after his first Gold Cup, he gets the boot. I’m not tolerating, 2 years of bullshit and CSA incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 fire up SACK THE CSA campaign @admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Keegan said: Yes, it is indeed sexism. To consider the level he coached at in football a suitable level for the level he is now hired at is sexist. If sex was completely taken out of the equation where would Women's football rank? 11th division England? I'm being extremely generous there. So yes, the fact that Herdman gets a job based on success at that low of a level simply because they're Women IS sexist. The 2 games are so different for so many reasons, if you want to label me a sexist for saying that so be it! (Not you but anyone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe MacCarthy said: Stephen Hart (who was our most successful coach in recent memory) didn't exactly have as stellar a resume as Floro who was a failure (at worst) Some serious sexism (for lack of a better word) going on here about a guy who has been a pretty brilliant administrator in funneling young talent to his team uber quickly. Time for some of you cats to stop running around with your head cut off, exactly what good will that accomplish for the program. The deed is done, get behind the new mastermind.. For the record it is bullshit that you keep trying to paint this as some sexist attack. Pointing out the differences in the men's and women's games is not sexist, nor is drawing attention to the fact the Herdman has never coached men at a high level of footy. It is also crucially important to recognize the solid level of female talent we produce (and historically have produced) on the women's side versus the level of players coming through the pipeline on the men's side. THAT is one of the huge reasons why people are concerned with Herdmen's lack of experience on the men's side. It is easier to mold young players who are really talented into mature CWNT players. It is far harder when the guys coming through the pipeline are mostly either MLS-level fringe players of are longingly looking at their country of birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ansem said: The program needs to change, bringing Guardiola wouldn't fix our problem. I think someone started to realize that at the CSA Guardiola, if he were to accept, would radicalize our program. You are totally off base to post like that, he came up through a quality academy system and coached youth before seniors. And has a clear idea of how he wants to play, and how to play it. Any top experienced coach can take a group of players and get them to play to their full potential, as long as he has the support. An unexperienced coach cannot. I mean, Herdman did not even build our women's program, he has just properly coached it. But did he get our u-19s to a WC final? We were already world class with the women, we are ahead of most of the world in many ways. With the men we are not, not in any way. Can everyone stop defending this decision, it is sickening. I am personally going to call for Reed to resign and plan to pressure so that Herdman is canned asap, it is intolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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badname22 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Sandor lists this as why Zambrano's reign was seen as a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, badname22 said: Sandor lists this as why Zambrano's reign was seen as a disaster That is total bullshit, I don't believe it. The CSA did not program a game in November, and they are the ones who could insist on it. I see a sabotage on the part of the CSA and Herdman, and then this slagging of Zambrano, shame on Sandor and others to ape such lame arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 No contact with players and clubs? How many debuts did Zambrano hand out? Maybe he wasn't in touch with players he deemed not good enough. No games? Since when does the coach set the games schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'd like to know how some of you got into Herdman's head and have figured out his knowledge ability is on an "11th division" level because he coached women. Neither you nor I know the capability this man has, but his track record at whatever level you want to call it has been pretty good so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 This gets worse by the minute, I hope Zambrano shares his side of the story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I blame Tesho. Zambrano would if he knew who he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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