Ozzie_the_parrot Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 5 hours ago, Watchmen said: So "no matches on TV" but also "matches on TV". Got it. ... ...and if it's ESPN that is being mentioned on that in an American context then it will probably be TSN in a Canadian context given the ownership overlap. MLS appear to be avoiding the trap of going with streaming only. $60 million for in house production costs definitely helps explain the number that gets repeated a lot in a Mediapro context for CanPL The one angle that isn't being reported is how important the Leagues Cup was in arriving at $250 million. CONCACAF ditched CanPL from the North American portion of qualifying for the CCL to facilitate that competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Free kick said: In the segment below, Filosa is making the identical arguments (about this deal) that i was making in another thread two weeks ago regarding the deal EPL made with DAZN and how it set back IMHO EPL soccer in Canada. The point being that with streaming services you will only going to draw existing audiences but you wont create new audiences because casuals need to to see it first in order to get hooked. Nobody is going to pay to subscibe to something in order to sample it. He claims that in Quebec its far from an established sport.. https://www.985fm.ca/audio/491575/entente-entre-la-mls-et-apple-ca-me-fait-tres-peur By the way the 8.5 mill per club is net of production costs from what I read. Unlike what others have noted above. I read that after all other deals are factored in, the media revenues are expected to be 300 mill per year and production costs 60 mill. Still, They more doubling their broadcast revenues from the current deal, so how can anyone complain. A club could take that extra money and market the game locally (to create new audiences) in new and differnt ways. The gateway soccer tv drug in North America has been national team football via World Cups. Watching club football is something people do later on in their soccer product life cycle - if ever at all. It's the opposite of the fandom pathway of major football nations. So, 1st/2nd/3rd gen Canadians with connections to these nations don't need to sample a league before subscribing to it on a streaming platform. It's one of the reasons why the CSB/CSA reaction has been largely skewed against the CSB since many don't realize the economic dominance of club football over national team football. The MLS tv rights deal is 10x larger than the USSF tv rights deal. And EPL on DAZN hasn't setback the league in Canada since fubotv just outbid DAZN for the rights. It remains the most valued football league property in Canada. Plus, watching football matches as a gateway to sampling a league is of much less import compared to 20 years ago. People under 30 more often than not don't watch a match end to end. They're more exposed to it via social media including match highlights. They also tend to avidly follow players rather than clubs. They tend to sample the product via EA FIFA/FUT first. Add in the fashion element, it's why PSG is set to open a store in NY even though ligue 1 is a fringe soccer tv product in the US. For those who don't sub to the Athletic, they put out a podcast that covers what they wrote. They estimate US$7.5 million net to each club - about 3x more but costs have risen also. They didn't account for the lost revenue from local tv deals which Forbes estimates as US$80 million. So, net about US$5.3m per 30 teams. They view the deal as overall good but not a game changer in the short run. But it sets up MLS nicely to capitalize on 2026. Ethan Finlay, MLSPA Executive Board Member Edited June 15, 2022 by red card Macksam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 hours ago, red card said: The gateway soccer tv drug in North America has been national team football via World Cups. Watching club football is something people do later on in their soccer product life cycle - if ever at all. It's the opposite of the fandom pathway of major football nations. So, 1st/2nd/3rd gen Canadians with connections to these nations don't need to sample a league before subscribing to it on a streaming platform. It's one of the reasons why the CSB/CSA reaction has been largely skewed against the CSB since many don't realize the economic dominance of club football over national team football. The MLS tv rights deal is 10x larger than the USSF tv rights deal. And EPL on DAZN hasn't setback the league in Canada since fubotv just outbid DAZN for the rights. It remains the most valued football league property in Canada. Plus, watching football matches as a gateway to sampling a league is of much less import compared to 20 years ago. People under 30 more often than not don't watch a match end to end. They're more exposed to it via social media including match highlights. They also tend to avidly follow players rather than clubs. They tend to sample the product via EA FIFA/FUT first. Add in the fashion element, it's why PSG is set to open a store in NY even though ligue 1 is a fringe soccer tv product in the US. For those who don't sub to the Athletic, they put out a podcast that covers what they wrote. They estimate US$7.5 million net to each club - about 3x more but costs have risen also. They didn't account for the lost revenue from local tv deals which Forbes estimates as US$80 million. So, net about US$5.3m per 30 teams. They view the deal as overall good but not a game changer in the short run. But it sets up MLS nicely to capitalize on 2026. Ethan Finlay, MLSPA Executive Board Member Nicely said bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 Big mistake by mls to not have every single game on cable...if the older crowd are those who still have cable its also them who have money so you cant be cutting them out or you risk pissing them off and your revenues could go down elsewhere like merch sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Big_M said: Big mistake by mls to not have every single game on cable...if the older crowd are those who still have cable its also them who have money so you cant be cutting them out or you risk pissing them off and your revenues could go down elsewhere like merch sales I'm still not clear on this. Up till now I could watch every Whitecaps game on TSN. Starting next season, will TSN still be carrying MLS games or are they out of the picture entirely? And (since I'm not an Apple+ subscriber) would this then mean I'll have to buy a subscription to this new MLS streaming service to watch the Caps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 As far as TSN its still not finalized/announced which TV channels will have games and which games they will have As far as streaming on Apple if you have a season ticket you have a subscription included...if not then yes you will have to buy a subscription to the mls streaming service Goal_Kick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 rkomar and Goal_Kick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 This same reasoning can be applied to Canada & CPL being on OneSoccer: little to no interest from linear tv to pay for rights and after being on tv for 30 years, ratings hadn't gone anywhere. dyslexic nam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Many great points and views here. From my point of view, I'm convinced MLS was always gonna go with the highest bidder. They've been getting by purely on expansion fees for several years. They needed a major boost in revenue now that they've pretty much maxed out on the number of teams. If it hurts the growth or not, the had to do it to survive. narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Just an aside: When did the phrase "linear tv" come into use? I had never heard the phrase until this discussion about MLS and Apple. Free kick, Bison44 and narduch 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 So Netflix bid (and lost out) on F1 in the US. Get ready for more streaming services to fight for sports rights Ruffian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Free kick and jordan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_Kick Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 48 minutes ago, narduch said: Top team in the league. Second highest goal difference in the league. Yeah, they needed the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Crepeau and Henry getting some high profile teammates, even if Henry isn't likely to play that much because of one them: Goal_Kick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 10:23 AM, narduch said: So Netflix bid (and lost out) on F1 in the US. Get ready for more streaming services to fight for sports rights I don't know what to say more than WOW. Things and competition is getting serious! narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Probably not a coincidence that these stories about Bale and Andrea Belotti (ie.: this story is resurfacing) are emerging after the news of of this rights deal with Apple. I suspect they might alter the rule to allow one more DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 6/26/2022 at 7:37 PM, Free kick said: I suspect they might alter the rule to allow one more DP. I hope not. Further improvements in the league will most rapidly be achieved by allowing teams to spend more on players 4-11. I'd rather see that than just a fourth very highly paid player on each team. Kadenge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkomar Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Kingston said: I hope not. Further improvements in the league will most rapidly be achieved by allowing teams to spend more on players 4-11. I'd rather see that than just a fourth very highly paid player on each team. How would paying the domestics more improve the quality in the league? By drawing North American players who currently play abroad back into the MLS? It would certainly improve life for the domestics, which I support. I'm just not sure that they would play any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 14 hours ago, rkomar said: How would paying the domestics more improve the quality in the league? By drawing North American players who currently play abroad back into the MLS? It would certainly improve life for the domestics, which I support. I'm just not sure that they would play any better. They don't have to be domestics. They'd be players - domestic or foreign - who could play in MLS but are currently earning more to play in second tier European leagues. Right now a typical starting 11 has three very highly paid DPs, three to five guys with some degree of allocation money, and three to five guys making $150 k or less. I content that getting to the point where the entire starting lineup is in the $500 to $1 million range will do a lot more to improve the level of play than adding a fourth DP. An Observer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Big loss for NYCFC Free kick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/rosters-for-2022-mls-next-all-star-game-presented-by-allstate Adam Pearlman named to the roster from TFC2. I'm not familiar with the Montreal & Vancouver players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Gian-Luca said: https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/rosters-for-2022-mls-next-all-star-game-presented-by-allstate Adam Pearlman named to the roster from TFC2. I'm not familiar with the Montreal & Vancouver players Is that Leatherman from Minnesota the Canadian kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 48 minutes ago, Ivan said: Is that Leatherman from Minnesota the Canadian kid? Yes Canadian Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 🤨 narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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