BuzzAndSting Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chad_Impact said: Yes, he speaks of "whispers" but then won't go into the real reason because he's trying to have a good 2018, and says that he could have coached Canada just by playing players in the correct position (lol), Did I miss anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I'm not sure how to feel about all this but I can confirm that the player decisions for the Jamaica game were shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Impact Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BuzzAndSting said: Yes, I guess it just comes down to the fact that I don't trust the people telling him this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Chad_Impact said: Yes, he speaks of "whispers" but then won't go into the real reason because he's trying to have a good 2018, and says that he could have coached Canada just by playing players in the correct position (lol), Did I miss anything? From Schaad, as well as other threads from Molinaro, Sandor, I'm too lazy to link right now... out of his depth inability to set up the infrastructure of a true national program strange personnel choices lack of tactics lack of communication with other coaches no real plan for scouting and identifying talent no real impact on the recruitment of players he was credited with bringing in. You're welcome to believe them or not. Just wanted to point out that these "whispers" are being whispered by alot of respectable sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chad_Impact said: Yes, I guess it just comes down to the fact that I don't trust the people telling him this. Peter Schaad is a reputable soccer commentator in this country and don’t see why anyone would have reason to not believe in him. Like any quality journalist if he’s reporting it he likely has trust in his sources. if you reason to believe otherwise please enlighten us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, matty said: I disagree the reason was a mix of oz pisses folks off and herdman Nope. Sounds like Zambrano was a disaster in more ways than one. Check out Peter Schad's full twitter thread on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolbertos Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, matty said: If only we would $$$$$$$$$pend CSA and $$$$$$ is an oxymoron. If someone offered to be TD, coach, trainer, doctor, janitor, water boy for cheap pay, CSA would hire him in an instant, regardless of credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The reason so few womens coaches make the transition to the mens game is that mens coaching requires a more advanced skillset and experience level. The gulf is wide. There's a reason our women lose to U15 boys teams in training. To think that a coach who does well with a womens national team program is thus qualified for the mens program is INSANE. Its not exactly like hiring a coach who has done well at the U15 level, but its pretty close. At least he will work within the CSAs budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chad_Impact said: Yes, I guess it just comes down to the fact that I don't trust the people telling him this. Flat Earthers unite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oranje Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 hours ago, BearcatSA said: We are the Cleveland Browns of world soccer. You’re giving us too much credit, more like the Washington Generals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Beaver said: Nope. Sounds like Zambrano was a disaster in more ways than one. Check out Peter Schad's full twitter thread on this. I did just came up and read it. No one looks good here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, BrennanFan said: There's a reason our women lose to U15 boys teams in training. I agree with some of what you had to say about the difference between men's and women's teams and coaching but not the quoted bit. 15 year old boys are not more tactically adept than Diana Matheson or Christine Sinclair. They have better fitness and athleticism, though, due to biology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, lazlo_80 said: From Schaad, as well as other threads from Molinaro, Sandor, I'm too lazy to link right now... out of his depth inability to set up the infrastructure of a true national program strange personnel choices lack of tactics lack of communication with other coaches no real plan for scouting and identifying talent no real impact on the recruitment of players he was credited with bringing in. You're welcome to believe them or not. Just wanted to point out that these "whispers" are being whispered by alot of respectable sources. I'll say the same thing I said earlier..We can debate whether Herdman is the right guy or not, but this putting Zambrano on a pedestal is exaggerated. We lost the Jamaica game do to poor planning and questionable choices for players. We should have won that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Oranje said: You’re giving us too much credit, more like the Washington Generals Well, the Generals do win now and then............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, BrennanFan said: The reason so few womens coaches make the transition to the mens game is that mens coaching requires a more advanced skillset and experience level. The gulf is wide. There's a reason our women lose to U15 boys teams in training. To think that a coach who does well with a womens national team program is thus qualified for the mens program is INSANE. Its not exactly like hiring a coach who has done well at the U15 level, but its pretty close. At least he will work within the CSAs budget. The big reason that U15 boys can defeat a WNT has little to do with the coaching and tactics. Poor example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Beaver said: Flat Earthers unite! Hey flat earthers are comedy gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, matty said: I did just came up and read it. No one looks good here How so? Have any of you had to fire someone? Seriously, there must be somebody on this forum who deals with HR. I have a tough time seeing how the CSA has messed up on the firing side of things, at least. I will reserve judgement on the hiring side of things, but that only make sense. Let's give the man a chance to earn our respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 It's like the CSA fed these guys first rights to the story so long as they said OZ was a "disaster". It makes no sense.. Sandor for instance literally just ran a story with OZ and now he's saying that he knew he was a disaster. His player selection was normal.. the majority of us agreed with his philosophy and selection, he wasn't doing anything absurd or out of the ordinary. Peter Schaad is saying that the MNT he had a better team? No he didn't, he's had legitimately the exact same players as Floro MINUS Hutchinson and PLUS Davies. He gave chances to guys like Petrasso, MAK, Osorio, Adekugbe, Jackson-Hamel.. brought in Cavallini and Cordova. Had the BALLS to start a 16 year old in the Gold Cup and it paid off. Like come on, this is Canada Soccer and there has been not ONE whisper from anyone saying anything bad about OZ. The man seemed confident and the players echoed that on the pitch.. the home win against Jamaica was as convincing as I've seen the MNT play live in a long time. Now we hear what a disaster he was? Interested to hear more but I can't accept this narrative without evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Impact Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Maybe I'm coming off wrong. I'm not saying he isn't reputable. I'm just saying it's strange that these sources are saying that despite the improvements on the field, through players careers, and because it seemed like the players themselves seemed to generally like him. I don't think it's fair to just say that he doesn't deserve credit. We'll have to see what else comes out I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ansem said: I'll say the same thing I said earlier..We can debate whether Herdman is the right guy or not, but this putting Zambrano on a pedestal is exaggerated. We lost the Jamaica game do to poor planning and questionable choices for players. We should have won that game And we lost to fucking El Salvador again! In game where we really showed nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Oranje said: You’re giving us too much credit, more like the Washington Generals At least the Browns fans had a parade on Saturday to celebrate their ineptitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, The Beaver said: How so? Have any of you had to fire someone? Seriously, there must be somebody on this forum who deals with HR. I have a tough time seeing how the CSA has messed up on the firing side of things, at least. I will reserve judgement on the hiring side of things, but that only make sense. Let's give the man a chance to earn our respect. Well the CSA fucked up by letting someone leak this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Keegan said: He gave chances to guys like Petrasso, MAK, Osorio, Adekugbe, Jackson-Hamel.. brought in Cavallini and Cordova. Had the BALLS to start a 16 year old in the Gold Cup and it paid off. That's setting the bar pretty low to define what a top coach is don't you think? We have no depth... Playing Davies was a no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Keegan said: Like come on, this is Canada Soccer and there has been not ONE whisper from anyone saying anything bad about OZ. I'll disagree with you on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Impact Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Keegan said: It's like the CSA fed these guys first rights to the story so long as they said OZ was a "disaster". It makes no sense.. Sandor for instance literally just ran a story with OZ and now he's saying that he knew he was a disaster. His player selection was normal.. the majority of us agreed with his philosophy and selection, he wasn't doing anything absurd or out of the ordinary. Peter Schaad is saying that the MNT he had a better team? No he didn't, he's had legitimately the exact same players as Floro MINUS Hutchinson and PLUS Davies. He gave chances to guys like Petrasso, MAK, Osorio, Adekugbe, Jackson-Hamel.. brought in Cavallini and Cordova. Had the BALLS to start a 16 year old in the Gold Cup and it paid off. Like come on, this is Canada Soccer and there has been not ONE whisper from anyone saying anything bad about OZ. The man seemed confident and the players echoed that on the pitch.. the home win against Jamaica was as convincing as I've seen the MNT play live in a long time. Now we hear what a disaster he was? Interested to hear more but I can't accept this narrative without evidence. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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