king1010 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, canuckgbp said: They really rate Fraser over Artfield then? Oh boy. That is the obvious player who beat him out.... This isn't what happened. JohnnyFranchise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SpecialK said: They are professionals and the best players should be there. It’s the WQC final not some island game vs shopkeepers. Like Benzema and France when they won the world cup? give me a break Edited August 26, 2021 by king1010 JohnnyFranchise, Kadenge and RS 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Just now, king1010 said: This isn't what happened. Then what happened? Fraser is clearly the glaring hole in the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, canuckgbp said: Then what happened? Fraser is clearly the glaring hole in the roster. read up to see what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, SpecialK said: They are professionals and the best players should be there. It’s the WQC final not some island game vs shopkeepers. It’s almost like they are actual people who care about how they get treated by teammates and coaching staff. Ryan Page and king1010 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, VinceA said: According to our favourite commentator Wheeler Arfield's exclusion is a Herdman call. Good on him Arfield doesn't get to pick and choose. Agree with this. His non committal in the past def needs to be factored in. I guess I am more confused about the inclusion of Fraser rather then the exclusion of Artfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Dare I say it. Fraser is cheaper? One less flight to pay for… 😬 Kadenge, Olympique_de_Marseille and SpecialK 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, king1010 said: read up to see what happened Cohesion is def a major factor. I guess I am more puzzled why they rate Fraser the way they do rather then just the exclusion of Arfield. Maybe I am too biased towards the talent side of the equation rather then the cohesion side. BrennanFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Page Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Herdman made a hard but correct choice. The lineup selected got us here, they deserve it. But for how long? Definitely wouldn't mind him being on at Mexico in October. JohnnyFranchise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, canuckgbp said: Cohesion is def a major factor. I guess I am more puzzled why they rate Fraser the way they do rather then just the exclusion of Arfield. Maybe I am too biased towards the talent side of the equation rather then the cohesion side. agree on the Fraser part. canuckgbp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) If the team/players wants to be babies about him saying no to bunch of island games when he’s 32 years old playing a ton a football… well that just tells you a lot of mentality of the team. Ok fine be pissed off, maybe don’t even start him or not play him for one game, make him earn the mins in practice. You have 3 games 10 days. But to cut him out right… Edited August 26, 2021 by SpecialK johnyb and gator 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 You can call 26 players …. canuckgbp and narduch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 A guy who thinks he's too good for St. Kitts probably doesn't think much of Honduras or El Salvador either. king1010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckgbp Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Just now, SpecialK said: You can call 26 players …. This is strange. USMNT called 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 My speculation is that his club pressured him not to go. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Page Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Just now, SpecialK said: If the team/players wants to be babies about him saying no to bunch of island games when he’s 32 years playing a ton a football… well that just tells you a lot of mentality of the team. Ok fine be pissed off, maybe don’t even start him or not play him for one game, make him earn the mins in practice. You have 3 games 10 days. But to cut him out right… Someone had to come out and get those games won and he opted not to. I'm sure many in that camp would have enjoyed a break too no? Could be more to the story than we're aware of. It's not that far from Gerrard suggesting he was done international football (which could simply be a misunderstanding of what he meant, or perhaps Arfield told them he was done but since changed his mind) JohnnyFranchise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 minute ago, narduch said: A guy who thinks he's too good for St. Kitts probably doesn't think much of Honduras or El Salvador either. He got hurt vs Dominica why would he want to go and play St.Kitts when rangers are playing top football? You don’t need Arfield, Hutch vs St.Kitts and the others. You need them now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 In my view, this is herdman lack of experience dealing with pro players coming to bite us. narduch and red card 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, SpecialK said: He got hurt vs Dominica why would he want to go and play St.Kitts when rangers are playing top football? You don’t need Arfield, Hutch vs St.Kitts and the others. You need them now ! You are conveniently ignoring the make or break series against Haiti - which is a legitimate team (that dumped us out of the previous GC). narduch, RS and JohnnyFranchise 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, SpecialK said: In my view, this is herdman lack of experience dealing with pro players coming to bite us. 17 minutes ago, canuckgbp said: Cohesion is def a major factor. I guess I am more puzzled why they rate Fraser the way they do rather then just the exclusion of Arfield. Maybe I am too biased towards the talent side of the equation rather then the cohesion side. 17 minutes ago, Alex said: Dare I say it. Fraser is cheaper? One less flight to pay for… 😬 20 minutes ago, canuckgbp said: Agree with this. His non committal in the past def needs to be factored in. I guess I am more confused about the inclusion of Fraser rather then the exclusion of Artfield. 22 minutes ago, canuckgbp said: Then what happened? Fraser is clearly the glaring hole in the roster. Fraser vs. Arfield is a non-issue. They play different positions. Fraser is a deep-lying mid who is competing for time with Eustaquio and Piette. Arfield is more advanced who is competing for time with Wotherspoon, Osorio, Kaye, and Hutch. You might as well complain that Pantemis is there instead of Arfield. JohnnyFranchise, red card and RS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiecanuck Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, narduch said: My speculation is that his club pressured him not to go. Clubs don't just pressure the player, they pressure the team Canada decision makers. They could have expressed their desire for Arfield to be excluded as well. Edited August 26, 2021 by prairiecanuck narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, narduch said: My speculation is that his club pressured him not to go. The dude is literally in Armenia with a COVID19 depleted Rangers squad. Mad travel. It is better for all parties if Herdman spins this as a punishment. He can then come into an October or November camp having been "chastened" I guess. costarg, narduch and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: You are conveniently ignoring the make or break series against Haiti - which is a legitimate team (that dumped us out of the previous GC). Hutch wasn’t there vs Haiti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, SpecialK said: They are professionals and the best players should be there. It’s the WQC final not some island game vs shopkeepers. That is completely wrong. The best team should be there, which isn't necessarily the best players. This isn't fantasy football. This is the risk you run when you skip games. If Osorio/Wotherspoon/Hoillet develops chemistry with Tajon-Davies-David-Larin, then you find yourself on the outside looking in. JohnnyFranchise and red card 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: You are conveniently ignoring the make or break series against Haiti - which is a legitimate team (that dumped us out of the previous GC). The Suriname match was the scariest; we needed him during that first 30 minutes! narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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