Ivanovski94 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 certainly they must be doing something to have 2 non-Canadian players wanting to play for Canada. It is sad that that Teibert is the only Canadian on the Whitecaps good enough to play for them, in the offseason Rennie said they tried very hard to try to get a Canadian on the roster but no one was good enough. I remember they had trials for Peters and Cavallini and were being linked with Friend. Not Cavallini it was Fresenga. Cavallini is no doubt good enough for MLS. yall can quote me on tht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Not Cavallini it was Fresenga. Cavallini is no doubt good enough for MLS. yall can quote me on tht I would argue that Cavallini is better quality than MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 I would argue that Cavallini is better quality than MLS. Depends how you look at it. I mean, I'm sure he's better than Justin Braun, but is he better than Thierry Henry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterredthandead Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Depends how you look at it. I mean, I'm sure he's better than Justin Braun, but is he better than Thierry Henry? Robbie Keane and Marco Di Vaio too. Saying a guy who has yet to start for for his parent club is better quality than MLS offers is jumping the gun a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Do people here still think the Whitecaps don't do enough for the CMNT? Sorry but throwing Canadian players into the fire the way TFC does is not the way to go. Some of those players ended up getting caps for the national team... meaning that they were the best players Canada had in those positions. One could very reasonably argue they were rushed for TFC but I don't know who would have played in those positions for Canada if TFC hadn't started giving them professional playing minutes... And a player like Osorio wouldn't have been included either if TFC didn't throw some of its young players into the fire. Most clubs in the world start playing players professionally at 18-21, its the US with their NCAA system that makes it seem brash and crazy. But a player like Bekker should have been ready-at least at his age-for the prime-time and has struggled. And if the argument is that the Whitecaps is a better managed and run organization, no doubt about it, and it would be better for the Canadian national program if TFC had its **** together but I'm not sure that TFC's policy of playing its young academy products has been the problem for TFC or bad for Canada. Insane player turn-over, consistently problematic positions on the pitch, rotating coaching staffs, bad player management, etc. are separate issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Some of those players ended up getting caps for the national team... meaning that they were the best players Canada had in those positions. One could very reasonably argue they were rushed for TFC but I don't know who would have played in those positions for Canada if TFC hadn't started giving them professional playing minutes... And a player like Osorio wouldn't have been included either if TFC didn't throw some of its young players into the fire. Most clubs in the world start playing players professionally at 18-21, its the US with their NCAA system that makes it seem brash and crazy. But a player like Bekker should have been ready-at least at his age-for the prime-time and has struggled. And if the argument is that the Whitecaps is a better managed and run organization, no doubt about it, and it would be better for the Canadian national program if TFC had its **** together but I'm not sure that TFC's policy of playing its young academy products has been the problem for TFC or bad for Canada. Insane player turn-over, consistently problematic positions on the pitch, rotating coaching staffs, bad player management, etc. are separate issues. I am not sure who said this, but "NCAA is where technical soccer players go to die". NCAA is the last place you want to go if you want to become a soccer player. It's a waste of valuable development time. Funny part is that Tiebert was a TFCA player until he left due to some issues with TFCA staff. Whitecaps only discover him through TFCA. Vancouver are lucky that Tiebert didn't leave the club after being neglected while seeing weaker players playing over him. Tiebert is playing well because he's talented player who finally got a chance to play. If anything, I would say Vancouver wasted a good year of his development for not playing him earlier. As for TFC, they have a lot of problems, but developing players through their academy isn't one of them even though I believe they can do more given the market they're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I wouldn't get too ahead by saying 1 year of TFC academy made Tiebert... And there are many accounts of the TFC academy not really getting to the next level either - being better than what was going on before and giving young players a professional outlet has been helpful but I don't think anyone can claim that TFC academy has really developed a player yet. They have done the easy part of talent recognition (well not necessarily given how bad the club has done this with pro players) and maybe a bit of development but really the best thing tfc has done is take already decent canadian youth and give them a path way onto a professional team. Saying anything more I think is being a bit to presumptuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 after seeing Camilo play tonight, find him a cute Canadian gf and cap him now! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolbertos Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 after seeing Camilo play tonight, find him a cute Canadian gf and cap him now! lol Sadly he's already engaged and soon to be married with his Brasilian fiancee. I agree Floro and the CSA, should be lobbying hard for Ottawa to make an exemption to get his residency status ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 after seeing Camilo play tonight, find him a cute Canadian gf and cap him now! lol Did you go to Tyler Green's sarcasm school ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Sadly he's already engaged and soon to be married with his Brasilian fiancee. I agree Floro and the CSA, should be lobbying hard for Ottawa to make an exemption to get his residency status ASAP. He has to wait 5 years to fulfill the FIFA requirement (early 2016). I don't think he'll have a problem getting citizenship by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Sadly he's already engaged and soon to be married with his Brasilian fiancee. I agree Floro and the CSA, should be lobbying hard for Ottawa to make an exemption to get his residency status ASAP. With the FIFA residency rules I don't think there is any need to fast track him as he has only lived here slightly more than 2 years. I think with the normal progression of things he should have his Canadian citizenship by the time he has completed the 5 year FIFA residency requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 The good news is Camilo sounds genuine when talking about the possibility of suiting up for the Canucks. Him and Koffie would look fantastic in the Red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grigorio Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 The bad news is that he's absolutely tearing it up, and will either attract foreign interest, or the allure of moving away from his beloved Vancouver might win him over, thus killing the whole idea. Given the volatility of MLS teams, somehow the prospect of banking on a team to hang on to one player for 5 years seems risky, although it'd be excellent gravy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I am not sure who said this, but "NCAA is where technical soccer players go to die". NCAA is the last place you want to go if you want to become a soccer player. It's a waste of valuable development time. I cannot agree more and I can't say it often enough. Maybe the college system works for some sports, but it sure as helle doesn't work for soccer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killgod Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Adding Camilo would be outstanding. We cannot score for ****. We got 2 PK's in our last 7 Gold Cup games. 1 goal in a friendly in like 10 matches this year. Outside of Cuba, we got a sneaky goal vs Panama and a late who gives a **** goal vs Honduras when they slayed us. Pls pls pls pls pls stay in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 MLS just made up this "retention" rule. SKC used it on Zusi. Basically you get an extra $225,000 off cap to spend on retaining a player(s). That would double Camilo's salary and likely keep him happy for a couple more years. MLS generally hold out for a decent fee, and the typical clubs that could pay a decent fee (EPL, CL) probably wouldn't be interested in Camilo. If he goes by way of transfer, I could see someone like FC Zurich being the destination, and probably not until he's played a couple more years to get his Canada eligibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 MLS just made up this "retention" rule. SKC used it on Zusi. Basically you get an extra $225,000 off cap to spend on retaining a player(s). That would double Camilo's salary and likely keep him happy for a couple more years. MLS generally hold out for a decent fee, and the typical clubs that could pay a decent fee (EPL, CL) probably wouldn't be interested in Camilo. If he goes by way of transfer, I could see someone like FC Zurich being the destination, and probably not until he's played a couple more years to get his Canada eligibility. Unless VWFC decide to trade him to an American club in MLS 6 months before the 5-year mark to make room for a young Scottish striker ... just kidding, just kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 If he gets permanent residency and then citizenship and maintains a resisdence in Canada then it doesn't matter if he is transferred to another team/country. He would have to be pretty committed to becoming a Canadian citizen and playing for the national team to do so but I think both having Canadian citizenship and an international career would be pretty big incentives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Just watching the US playing against El Salvador and wondered if there are any US players who have US born parents. Edited July 21, 2013 by john tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Bites Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Just watching the US playing against El Salvador and wondered if there are any US players who have US born parents. I'm pretty sure the whole starting lineup has American born parents except for the two Mexican players and Donovan's father. I didn't see the 2nd half so I don't know who they subbed on. Edited July 21, 2013 by Reality Bites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I doubt that very much and if so why this great difference between our two countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterredthandead Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Only 5 more years for Damian Batt!!!! (33 then) Not that it means anything, but in my football manager league Frei, Camilo and Koffie all play for Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I doubt that very much and if so why this great difference between our two countries. I'm sure it's ntot that much of a difference, I wouldn't be surprised that we have many here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I don't know of any player who has a full set of Canadian born parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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