coach_86 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, Floortom said: Matthew Doyle ("MLS analyst" on twitter) doesnt think Shome will be drafted in first round and said he spoke to several people who wouldnt draft him at all. Quite frankly, that lines up with what I have seen of Shome. I think a lot of this is based on his performances at the combine. I watched 2 of the games Shamit played in and I agree there were moments were he did not look like a top 10 prospect at all, but there were moments where his vision, and movement off the ball are exactly what teams need from a cm player. Can we really judge his MLS future on a few combine games playing with guys he's never even seen before? I think a real sense of what Shamit brings comes from watching him play for FC Edmonton and the National teams. He is a piece to a teams puzzle, put him in a USL squad, let him develop and if it goes well in a few years he's a stud, if not then has that team really lost anything. The potential is there and its scary good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Maybe TFC can get him then as a late draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Macksam said: Maybe TFC can get him then as a late draft pick. I hope not. I would want him to play in the US and avoid the scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 34 minutes ago, coach_86 said: I think a lot of this is based on his performances at the combine. I watched 2 of the games Shamit played in and I agree there were moments were he did not look like a top 10 prospect at all, but there were moments where his vision, and movement off the ball are exactly what teams need from a cm player. Can we really judge his MLS future on a few combine games playing with guys he's never even seen before? I think a real sense of what Shamit brings comes from watching him play for FC Edmonton and the National teams. He is a piece to a teams puzzle, put him in a USL squad, let him develop and if it goes well in a few years he's a stud, if not then has that team really lost anything. The potential is there and its scary good. I hope that's not the case. Doyle did a Stock up/Stock Down analysis from the combine and you can get an idea of his view on things with the Stock Up players: Daniel Johnson Joe Holland Zeiko Lewis Colton Storm Holland is a '93, Storm is a '94 and Johnson and Lewis are '95s. They better look head and shoulders above that opposition. The only one that didn't fit the above mold was Reid after the first game, but that's most likely because Doyle had no idea about Adonijah before seeing him play that first game. Addona 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2SKI Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: I hope not. I would want him to play in the US and avoid the scrutiny. We have such low expectations of our soccer players. Surely the pressure of being a low draft pick in Toronto isnt insurmountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, C2SKI said: We have such low expectations of our soccer players. Surely the pressure of being a low draft pick in Toronto isnt insurmountable. Fair enough, but any Canadian playing for a Canadian team is going to face pressures they wouldn't otherwise face and I for one would rather a 19 year old kid who shows some real promise develop at team where he can fly under the radar at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 It's easy to hate on Matthew Doyle because he didn't have the greatest opinion of a Canadian player, but he does know his stuff, and is usually actually one of the biggest fans of Canadian players (He's biiiiig on Jay Chapman). If he's saying Shome probably won't get drafted in the first round it's likely based on talking to scouts and GMs from around the team. Now of course this could all be smoke screening. I just get a little weirded out when people try to tear at someone's reputation simply because he has an opinion that isn't very popular. Northvansteve, Kent and zen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Narcotic Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 It looks like the Canadians did not help themselves at the Combine; Ives also has only Reid and Wright going in the first round, and both towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levi Oakey Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Something I have found from my years of following the draft. The draft boards aren't very good. Especially outside of the top couple. This isn't the NHL, it's more like the MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, Levi Oakey said: Something I have found from my years of following the draft. The draft boards aren't very good. Especially outside of the top couple. This isn't the NHL, it's more like the MLB. Amen. To go a step further, the funniest is how every year people are like "woah thats a reach!" when in reality there's zero consensus on this draft. TFC drafting Endoh was considered a giant reach, but for where he was drafted he was a solid pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yothat Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I m sure he's top 5 - 10 based on his work last season and in the past. NCAA is few levels playing pro and getting minutes in NASL. Scouts can use all the NASL tape/stats to evuluate Shome. I m thinking Fced got $250k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Not sure how Shome in off-season form, playing with players he doesn't know, and playing at least some of the time out of position would have been expected to go out and look great. Additionally, if teams are thinking they can watch a couple of combine games and know a player, I'm not sure what to say. Any team that went back and watched film on his FCE time would know whether he was worth it to them or not, poor combine performance or no. shamrock and coach_86 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, C2SKI said: We have such low expectations of our soccer players. Surely the pressure of being a low draft pick in Toronto isnt insurmountable. The biggest hurdle to Shome succeeding in Toronto is the fact that he plays a very similar game to Chapman. Personally, I think that would actually be the worst place he could end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C2SKI Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 38 minutes ago, shermanator said: The biggest hurdle to Shome succeeding in Toronto is the fact that he plays a very similar game to Chapman. Personally, I think that would actually be the worst place he could end up. Personally, I'd like to see him go to Montreal and learn under Bernier. That's the Canadian player I think he could emulate. Greatest Cockney Rip Off and shamrock 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, C2SKI said: Personally, I'd like to see him go to Montreal and learn under Bernier. That's the Canadian player I think he could emulate. Unfortunately Montreal has no USL team anymore, so if he doesn't play with the first team right away it'll be tough for him to get minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Dre Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 minute ago, lazlo_80 said: Unfortunately Montreal has no USL team anymore, so if he doesn't play with the first team right away it'll be tough for him to get minutes. He will be loan to Ottawa probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levi Oakey Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 And the first pick by almost every draft board I saw is wrong. Classic. lazlo_80 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 No Shome, no party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levi Oakey Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ahh, the yearly tradition of watching the MLS pundits have not a clue about who is going to get drafted where. Stumbling. It's kinda comedy jpg75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 You would think a 19 year old with a year of pro at a higher level than USL already under his belt would be an attractive option. But, I guess not. shamrock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 minute ago, shermanator said: You would think a 19 year old with a year of pro at a higher level than USL already under his belt would be an attractive option. But, I guess not. Apparently no one in MLS rates him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 it's tough for these kids who are announced late because noone has done any scouting on them. Like when Plata was picked in the fourth round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 He fell because he still doesn't have a clear position for mls and didn't show something special that set him apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 A knock on Shome is that he has zero goals in Nasl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 i watched the combines he wasn't very mobile, he wasn't asking for the ball enough. when it comes to open tryouts coaches want to see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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