Alex Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 don't agree with the logic here. Do those results fall squarely on Bernier or de Guzman's shoulders? Without a fact check, I am confident in saying that Hutchinson was a part of those results too. How can you say we shouldn't call Bernier or de Guzman because we never got results with them, yet exclude Hutchinson from that logic when he was also part of that group? That is a very poor argument to make. If you don't want either de Guzman or Bernier called, present a case for an alternative player and provide a supporting argument for why player x is a better choice - but don't say we shouldn't call them because we never qualified for the world cup with them. That logic is extremely flawed. I get what you're saying, it doesn't rest on their shoulders, you're right. I just don't see how including Bernier is gonna bring us any closer this time as it ever has before. Same goes with jdg. Hutchinson has more to bring to the table than they do. I feel the top six should be larin; hutch, Johnson, osorio, Akindele, hoilett. With Johnson and hutch as defensive mids. I'm just sick of Honduras, every cycle they screw us, so I figure it can't hurt going with a new 11 they've never seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I get what you're saying, it doesn't rest on their shoulders, you're right. I just don't see how including Bernier is gonna bring us any closer this time as it ever has before. Same goes with jdg. Hutchinson has more to bring to the table than they do. I feel the top six should be larin; hutch, Johnson, osorio, Akindele, hoilett. With Johnson and hutch as defensive mids. I'm just sick of Honduras, every cycle they screw us, so I figure it can't hurt going with a new 11 they've never seen before. I personally would like to see the exact same front 6 (but honoring Floro's 4-1-4-1), with Hutch as the deep lying midfielder. at the same time, i do not look at how bernier and deguzman will get us closer than they have in the past. Instead, I look how their experience will once again give us a fighting chance. To me, players like Larin, Cavallini, Hoilett, Akindele, maybe Osorio are the new faces I expect to actually provide the spark and change that brings closer to our goal - not de Guzman or Bernier... The veterans like Bernier and de Guzman were never the problem actually, in fact they are needed to provide leadership to the group. Of the two, Floro has leaned more heavily on Julian, which is fine with me. Regardless, I believe we will benefit with their savy and experience. Especially if they are in good form. I don't see why we would toss all that experience in the trash heap. There has to be a balance of new faces and veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Molinaro reported today that Osorio was not called up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince193 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Molinaro reported today that Osorio was not called up. I'm getting tired of Benito's shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Think positive, we actually have inform guys that might not be called (Ocean, Bernier, Osorio), this means the player pool is getting a bit deeper right? We are not used to these kinds of problems. Osorio might not have even seen the pitch if he was called, so lets not get too upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrenaline11 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Osorio might not have even seen the pitch if he was called, so lets not get too upset. Hold up there. If he won't get called because there are other guys at his position who are better, that's one thing. If he won't get called because he would only be a bench player and the coach doesn't want to answer questions about why he didn't play, that's cowardice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hold up there. If he won't get called because there are other guys at his position who are better, that's one thing. If he won't get called because he would only be a bench player and the coach doesn't want to answer questions about why he didn't play, that's cowardice. The coach will have to answer questions about why he isn't in the 23, so I don't think that it's cowardice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I'm getting tired of Benito's shit. If we have 0 points by November 17th at 11pm I will agree with this. I'm willing to trust in him until then. The coach will have to answer questions about why he isn't in the 23, so I don't think that it's cowardice. Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCheck Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 he didn't get called up because he disrespected the coach when he was subbed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 he didn't get called up because he disrespected the coach when he was subbed off. Please tell us how this statement is more than just speculation. We know is was angry about being subbed off in the past; how do we know that is the specific and only reason for not getting a call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 he didn't get called up because he disrespected the coach when he was subbed off. Can you please tell us what it's like to be part of the CMNT coaching staff? That is how you obtained this information, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moldy9 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Molinaro reported today that Osorio was not called up. oh lord somebody get prepared to whip out the violin and the box of tissues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 One last attempt at a roster: Sure Starters: Larin, Hoilett; Hutchinson, Johnson*; deJong, Edgar*, Jakovic*, Ledgerwood* (*possibly injured) Likely Starters: Ricketts; deGuzman; Stamatopoulos Sure Call Ups: Cavallini, Akindele; Teibert, Piette; Straith; Borjan The above 17 are sure things, leaving 6 squad spots up for grabs: Likely Call Ups: Haber; Bekker; Morgan, Hainault, Ouimette; Crepeau, (Possible Injury Cover: Nakajima-Farran, Bernier; Lefevre, James) Left Out: Jackson, Edwini-Bonsu, Hamilton, Hume, Occean; Osorio, Petrasso, Tissot, Trafford, Pacheco, Froese, Bustos, Aleman; Henry*, Aird, Adekugbe, Attakora, Gasparotto; Hirschfeld, Roberts, Thomas ------------------------------Larin Hoilett-------Hutchinson-------Johnson/Teibert-------Ricketts ---------------------------deGuzman deJong---Jakovic/Straith---Edgar/Hainault---Ledgerwood/Ouimette -------------------------Stamatopoulos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 ^generally agree, but the way that Canada Soccer has been pushing the Aird interview all over Twitter recently would leave me to believe that he will be called up too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Nice post Brennanfan. That puts it into perspective. Lots of guys left out, maybe one of the current favorites but lets be positive. For the next go round of games we have plenty of replacements for possible injuries or other guys that might throw a fit on field and embarass the coach and their parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 ^generally agree, but the way that Canada Soccer has been pushing the Aird interview all over Twitter recently would leave me to believe that he will be called up too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4esnTvl6qo I thought about that too when I saw it. Given Ledgerwood's injury, it may be a good idea to call up Aird, if only to push Ouimette for his replacement spot at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullback Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I'm getting tired of Benito's shit. I think we are all getting tired of your shit. Anway Mmypreffered 11 Larin Hoilett Johnson Hutchinson Akindele de Guzman de Jong Two of Edgar/Jakovic/Hainault/Lefevre Ouimette Borjan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCheck Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Please tell us how this statement is more than just seculation. We know is was angry about being subbed off in the past; how do we know that is the specific and only reason for not getting a call? ah, sorry, I thought this forum was nothing but speculation. No, I'm not on the coaching staff, so I'll leave it to all of you that have the cold hard facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Seemingly that is what this forum has devolved into. Pure speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkhs Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 If we have 0 points by November 17th at 11pm I will agree with this. I'm willing to trust in him until then. Would we be any better off with 1 or 2 points? Even 4 puts us somewhat behind the eight ball, since we would have burned either 2 home points or our best (honestly: only) chance to win a road match. This is the source of my great frustration with the whole lead up to this round - missing international windows/matches; Floro away cashing cheques with the U23s; seeming pettiness/squabbling all around [does it really matter whether its Osorio or Teibert or Occean or Floro who the source of apparent bad feelings? The effect is the same.] These are two of the three most vital matches we'll play. Two of the three best shots at 3 points. We don't get warm-up matches. Take your best 23, ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Take your best 23, ffs. And there's the problem: the 23 players with the most skill does not necessarily make the best team. You need a wide variety of skillsets to win games against quality opposition, and make no mistake that is what we are facing this round. While thinking that we can beat any team will give you a nice warm and fuzzy, thinking that any of these games should be a walk in the park severely underestimates our opponent. This is not a video game and we just don't have the talent to play an offensively minded run and gun game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I think we are all getting tired of your shit. QFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkhs Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 While thinking that we can beat any team will give you a nice warm and fuzzy, thinking that any of these games should be a walk in the park severely underestimates our opponent. This is not a video game and we just don't have the talent to play an offensively minded run and gun game. Not sure where I said anything to solicit this response. But, you are obviously free to randomly quote me in support of any point you want to make. My problem (and I've never played a football video game in my life) which I'll now state for myself is actually that I believe we need to be able to hold our own in possession and not just try to absorb pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I'm getting tired of Benito's shit. And we're tired of reading your shit, Vince. Or should I say, Barthez-Battalion? Maybe you should leave again, sign up as a new user, and try posting in a different manner. Third time is a charm, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 ah, sorry, I thought this forum was nothing but speculation. No, I'm not on the coaching staff, so I'll leave it to all of you that have the cold hard facts. Well, I don't mind speculating myself so I'm going to guess that Manjekar James will be in the squad as one of the CBs (if he is healthy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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