rydermike Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) This was an interesting tracker last season, with Atletico waiting to the end while York more than tripled the requirement. Here are the stats after one match. https://canpl.ca/u-21-minutes-played/ CPL Top U-21 Minutes (after matchday 1) Club Total U-21 Minutes Valour FC 122 Atlético Ottawa 107 Pacific FC 90 Forge FC 70 York United FC 58 Halifax Wanderers FC 32 Cavalry FC 18 Vancouver FC 0 Edited April 19, 2023 by rydermike narduch, K Edgar, Admiral Murray and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM3/MM2/MM Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Teams have to average 71.42 minutes a game to reach the 2000 requirement K Edgar and NVsoccer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) And just to be clear, a player is considered to be U21 for the purposes of this rule if they are born on or after January 1, 2002. The link above provides a list of all U21-eligible players currently on a CPL roster. Edited April 19, 2023 by jonovision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 hours ago, rydermike said: This was an interesting tracker last season, with Atletico waiting to the end while York more than tripled the requirement. Here are the stats after one match. https://canpl.ca/u-21-minutes-played/ CPL Top U-21 Minutes (after matchday 1) Club Total U-21 Minutes Valour FC 122 Atlético Ottawa 107 Pacific FC 90 Forge FC 70 York United FC 58 Halifax Wanderers FC 32 Cavalry FC 18 Vancouver FC 0 It’s good to see Vancouver FC has continued the time honoured Vancouver tradition of hating Canada. Stryker911, NVsoccer, RS and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 4 hours ago, jonovision said: And just to be clear, a player is considered to be U21 for the purposes of this rule if they are born on or after January 1, 2002. The link above provides a list of all U21-eligible players currently on a CPL roster. So Toussaint is a couple days too old. That’s unfortunate. He’ll get a lot of minutes this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 CPL Top U-21 Minutes (after match day 2) Club Total U-21 Minutes Valour FC 302 Pacific FC 270 Atlético Ottawa 248 Forge FC 134 Cavalry FC 119 York United 111 Vancouver FC 90 Halifax Wanderers FC 58 K Edgar, NVsoccer and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 On 4/19/2023 at 5:21 PM, Aird25 said: So Toussaint is a couple days too old. That’s unfortunate. He’ll get a lot of minutes this season As long as Gazdov stays healthy we will be good for U21 minutes. Amedume and Lajeunesse should also get rotation minutes, you would think, though it was interesting to see Young slotted in at CB in the cup game ahead of Lajeunesse and Amedume with TMG out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rydermike Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) After Matchday 3. To be on pace to meet the restriction, teams should be at 214.3 minutes. (2000 divided by 28 games multiplied by 3 games played) Minutes earned last match in brackets Club Total U-21 Minutes Valour FC 556 (+254) Pacific FC 360 (+90) Atlético Ottawa 338 (+90) Vancouver FC 160 (+70) Cavalry FC 140 (+21) Forge FC 134 (+0) York United FC 112 (+1) Halifax Wanderers FC 58 (+0) https://canpl.ca/u-21-minutes-played/ Edited May 3, 2023 by rydermike johnyb, davey_twelve and K Edgar 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Valour's lead at the top here is partly by accident: I can't imagine Juan Pablo Sanchez or Matteo de Brienne were being counted on to be regular 90 minute players when the season started. But they're on the roster and are making the most of their opportunity, which is a big reason the rule is in place. With Ohin not likely to be back soon, Sanchez should be able to keep his midfield spot, while Haynes will have to offer a lot more than de Brienne defensively to make up for the attacking push you lose from taking Matteo out of the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterlawrence5 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Cool trivia fact, Juan Pablo Sanchez (TFC academy) and Matteo de Brienne (Ottawa South United) played against each other in the OPDL a few years ago. K Edgar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 270 U21 minutes for Valour yesterday. (de Brienne 90, Mzoughi 90, Sanchez 69, Ulloa 31) On pace to complete the 2000 minute requirement in 10 games. Kadenge and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted May 8, 2023 Author Share Posted May 8, 2023 CPL Top U-21 Minutes (after match day 4) 2000 minute 28 match pace is 285.7 minutes Club Total U-21 Minutes Valour FC 826 (+270) Pacific FC 456 (+96) Atlético Ottawa 428 (+90) Vancouver FC 252 (+92) Forge FC 224 (+90) Cavalry FC 150 (+10) York United FC 139 (+27) Halifax Wanderers FC 64 (+6) johnyb and K Edgar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 A 2000 mins U-20 requirement does not seem unreasonable, yet the majority of teams are behind after 4 games. I mean its only 71 mins per game over 28 games... or am I reading the chart incorrectly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 The Wanderers can boost this by getting Coimbra a start and picking a few spots for Aiden (backup keeper) to play. Lots of games left but growing a little concerned to see us start to fall off the pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Kadenge said: A 2000 mins U-20 requirement does not seem unreasonable, yet the majority of teams are behind after 4 games. I mean its only 71 mins per game over 28 games... or am I reading the chart incorrectly? You are right. Most teams start using their U21 minutes when injuries test their depth. Aside from Valour, I don't think teams are suffering major injury crises a month into the season. masster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 And yet, the current top 4 in the standings are also 4 out of the top 5 in U21 minutes. I think careful selection of the youth end of your roster is key here — choosing kids who are ready to contribute right away pays off in more ways than just compliance with the minutes requirement. (Long term stability if they stay, or potential growth of the club by selling players on / building a reputation for development. Kadenge, Kent, MM3/MM2/MM and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Kadenge said: A 2000 mins U-20 requirement does not seem unreasonable, yet the majority of teams are behind after 4 games. I mean its only 71 mins per game over 28 games... or am I reading the chart incorrectly? Why do I seem to think that it will be increasing to 2500 mins next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 hours ago, EnigMattic1 said: Why do I seem to think that it will be increasing to 2500 mins next season? Please no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 11 hours ago, jonovision said: You are right. Most teams start using their U21 minutes when injuries test their depth. Aside from Valour, I don't think teams are suffering major injury crises a month into the season. and this would seem logical but it also means that the majority of CPL teams, to date, do not have at least 1 U21 player that is capable of starting or playing significant mins. That's disappointing as one would think that there must be at least 8 Canadian U20s, not on MLS/affiliate teams, that would be capable of playing in our domestic league. One of the major challenges for Cdn U20 teams in Concacaf is that when they play teams from the region (CA, US, Mex) they face players with domestic pro experience. Not saying this should be the driver for CPL, but other regions in our Confederation seem to play U20s in their domestic leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 48 minutes ago, Kadenge said: and this would seem logical but it also means that the majority of CPL teams, to date, do not have at least 1 U21 player that is capable of starting or playing significant mins. That's disappointing as one would think that there must be at least 8 Canadian U20s, not on MLS/affiliate teams, that would be capable of playing in our domestic league. One of the major challenges for Cdn U20 teams in Concacaf is that when they play teams from the region (CA, US, Mex) they face players with domestic pro experience. Not saying this should be the driver for CPL, but other regions in our Confederation seem to play U20s in their domestic leagues. I don't know about other leagues in the region, but the number of U21 Americans getting regular minutes in MLS is quite small, at least per-team. narduch and K Edgar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, jonovision said: I don't know about other leagues in the region, but the number of U21 Americans getting regular minutes in MLS is quite small, at least per-team. I would expect U21's (from any country) in the MLS to be few. What about in the american leagues equivalent to the CanPL -- NextPro, USLP -- is the number of U21 Americans (and Canadians?) significant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 32 minutes ago, jonovision said: I don't know about other leagues in the region, but the number of U21 Americans getting regular minutes in MLS is quite small, at least per-team. My own hot take is that part of the reason the USMNT has declined is because MLS doesn't play enough young Americans. Most successful MLS sides starting XI has few Americans Metro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Kadenge said: there must be at least 8 Canadian U20s, not on MLS/affiliate teams, that would be capable of playing in our domestic league. One would wish. There are certainly young players capable of playing in the league, but they generally aren't as good (at this stage in their careers) as their more experienced counterparts who have stuck with the game. How can anyone expect any less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Lots of the players good enough to start in CPL at age 20 or younger will be on the rosters of clubs in MLS in Europe because they are viewed as decent prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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