Complete Homer Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 40 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: I'm honestly less concerned about a $1.5m salary cap, and more concerned about a salary floor - something I've seen nothing about so far. It's nice to say that the goal is $1.5m on player salaries - but if that's the goal - then the reality will be somewhat lower, and it will be important to place a minimum on salary expenditures to maintain the quality that this league is gunning for. Also concerned about the TV aspect, because I recall seeing a tweet from Rossi suggesting that it may not happen (and he didn't think it was important). I don't expect a lot of direct revenue from a TV deal, but it's hella important in terms of legitimacy and putting butts in seats. I think it depends if we are looking at true single entity or heavy revenue sharing If it's single entity, it's probably more accurate to say everyone will have a 1.5M budget rather than cap, as there's no motivation to spend less than others. If it's revenue sharing, a cap floor is definitely something to discuss baulderdash77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 21 hours ago, Alex D said: Or smiled. Gents, we don't need to make this personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 34 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: Gents, we don't need to make this personal. It's not personal,but it was funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, Gopherbashi said: I'm honestly less concerned about a $1.5m salary cap, and more concerned about a salary floor - something I've seen nothing about so far.... That's a good point given Canadian soccer has a history of leagues calling themselves professional and then fielding teams that were no different from top level amateur in practice. Nothing turns off the knowledgebale portion of the soccer community faster than that. In the original CSL, the Whitecaps, Blizzard and Steelers consistently fielded teams that were legitimately somewhere between semi- and fully pro in their approach, and Montreal got there towards the end. The problems start when you have to fill out the numbers to eight or so and weaker groups are allowed in to make up the numbers that are soon unable to make monthly payrolls when they burn through their startup capital and wind up having to field whatever roster of local amateur players will sign on to play for nothing. Hopefully we are truly in a new era now. Edited November 27, 2016 by BringBackTheBlizzard matty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 10 hours ago, Complete Homer said: I think it depends if we are looking at true single entity or heavy revenue sharing If it's single entity, it's probably more accurate to say everyone will have a 1.5M budget rather than cap, as there's no motivation to spend less than others. If it's revenue sharing, a cap floor is definitely something to discuss That's where the difference lies between billionaires willing to lose money (overall profits of hundreds of millions means a team losing $2M wouldn't be a disaster for them). TFC lost money too but MLSE are so rich that theyou keep doing what they need to win and that's investing on the team. versus multi-millionaires who would lose sleep over their team losing $2M a season. Those type of owners would indeed try to be competitive by spending as little as possible. Seems this is what CPL was after, deep pockets owners who understands that to make money and win, you have to invest and accept losing money at first. I hope FC Edmonton and Ottawa Fury have deep pockets, otherwise it would sucks for those 2 markets to play at the cap floor and have a mediocre team by signing USL players to save money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Potential players have been listed. Ideally quite a few MLS academy players also move into this league - be it permanent sale or loan deal, doesn't really matter. What we will find is some real gems get cast off by MLS programs for one reason or another, and we'll find ourselves with 1-2 additional CanMNT players every year. Thus tripling our men's player pool shortly - and that's what it's actually about. Because once guys get into CanMNT they are more likely to get an MLS, Euro or other pro contract. Macksam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 What's Roberto Stillo doing these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levi Oakey Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Bryce Alderson is going to lead Grand River Union FC to the Bombardier Cup. Alex D and Nathanael Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Dre Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 6 hours ago, ray said: What's Roberto Stillo doing these days? Could be a good option for a team. I would like to see David Monsalve, too in the CPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 edited out of my post about the L1O League Awards Luncheon yesterday: I was looking forward all afternoon to the speech by league chair Dino Rossi after he got through the customary "Thank you's" to staff, players and team officials. He mentioned he was looking to the next level 'above' their own league which I took to mean the new Canadian Premier League which will operate across Canada and is supposed to start in 2018. He hoped for a women's league too. Rossi said L1O is going to be very supportive and that their players and game officials will be able to help their operations. Neither he nor Ron Smale President of the OSA who also went through the same thank-yous mentioned the new league by name. I was expecting Rossi would announce any new L1O teams that would begin in 2017 and asked him after the event was over but he said that information will be announced at the League meeting in two weeks. I can wait. I'd say L1O could help the new league fill quite a few roster spots. Just like players a few years ago had nowhere to go after they were teenagers, now that some of these players in this league like Elvir Gigolaj, the leading scorer, has turned 24, does L1O really want them? What does he do next year? Try for 30 goals? L1O is making its reputation as an Under 23 league with its rules about how many U-23s must be on game day rosters. I don't know enough about the new league's budgets as to whether or not they can pay an L1O player a living wage if they draft him to play out of province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) 6 Teams of 25 for 150~ 75 Canadians (with a 50% roster quota, 10-20 national team guys, 10-20 NASL guys and a number of L1O, PQSL and NCAA guys) 12 DPs from mostly European nations (all will have CVs with biggish clubs and a few national team caps) 30-40 Americans (Mostly MLS level guys looking to break out and NASL guys wanting more money and stability) 20-30 for other CONCACAF nations (national team players formerly playing in their domestic leagues) 10-20 from non-CONCACAF nations (betting most of them will be League 1 or 2 guys) Edited November 29, 2016 by matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 7 hours ago, matty said: 30-40 Americans (Mostly MLS level guys looking to break out and NASL guys wanting more money and stability) If you can get an International player (Southern Hemisphere) for the same price or cheaper, that's who's going to get picked ahead of Americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, Ansem said: If you can get an International player (Southern Hemisphere) for the same price or cheaper, that's who's going to get picked ahead of Americans With NASL collapse looking imminent with the recent news about the Cosmos not paying players I think it will be interesting to see what happens to a lot of those 40k type guys in NASL. It could be that the USL's average spending will trend upward with D2 status, but if those guys are suddenly looking at a 16k salary in USL, I could see some guys heading to Canada as veterans of the level of play CPL is aiming for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Ansem said: If you can get an International player (Southern Hemisphere) for the same price or cheaper, that's who's going to get picked ahead of Americans could be but if the salaries are as high as most think they will be and if the nasl falls off a cliff i think it's more likely we'll end up seeing americans as the largest number of non-canadians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 1 hour ago, matty said: could be but if the salaries are as high as most think they will be and if the nasl falls off a cliff i think it's more likely we'll end up seeing americans as the largest number of non-canadians I doubt that. We'll see some Americans but I doubt they will be the majority. There's lots of gems out there in Southern Hemisphere D2 leagues that are way more interesting than Americans who can't crack NASL or MLS that would gladly take a contract in CPL and move here. Same thing that's being done to Canadians in MLS would happen in CPL. Most team would rather pay for a D2-D3 southern Hemisphere player than a D2-D3 American player who clearly doesn't match their technical skills at equal value or cheaper. (I'd even argue that paying a little more makes more sense if you value quality on the field) baulderdash77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ansem said: I doubt that. We'll see some Americans but I doubt they will be the majority. There's lots of gems out there in Southern Hemisphere D2 leagues that are way more interesting than Americans who can't crack NASL or MLS that would gladly take a contract in CPL and move here. Same thing that's being done to Canadians in MLS would happen in CPL. Most team would rather pay for a D2-D3 southern Hemisphere player than a D2-D3 American player who clearly doesn't match their technical skills at equal value or cheaper. (I'd even argue that paying a little more makes more sense if you value quality on the field) I didn't say majority I said largest single block of non-Canadians (30-40) which could easily happen and also if you look at the numbers I posted I'm of the opinion we'll see almost as many Latin/Caribbean players (30-50) when you combine Caribbean, Central and possible South America players. There could be a large number of South Americans (I agree they'd be willing to sign with a CPL team) and maybe Africans but I don't think it's gonna be what you're thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) If there's 72 foreign roster spots I bet probably 20 will go to Americans. I think the big block of players will go to the Central American, Carribean. There's going to be a big block of players from smaller COMENBOL countries plus Brazil Series B. There will probably be a small minority from Northern Europe and the U.K. I think it's just easier to get highly technical and skilled players from Latin America for 50-75k who will be better than American players who you can get for the same wages. Edited November 30, 2016 by baulderdash77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 hours ago, baulderdash77 said: There's going to be a big block of players from smaller COMENBOL countries plus Brazil Series B. There will probably be a small minority from Northern Europe and the U.K. I agree with you on the first two points and could see the last one going either way (I think we'll actually see a lot more Americans on depth player salaries which is why I pick them to be the largest non-Canadian provider) but the two above I find more difficult to agree or disagree with. When you look at the nations in MLS there are 20 more European players than South Americans but Argentina (with 24) is the largest provider of talent that's not the US or Canada and Brazil and Columbia are tied for 3rd (with 15) behind England (with 23). The only other Euro nation with 10+ players in MLS is France (with 13). Outside of CONCACAF the only other nation with 10+ players is Ghana (with 11). http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/mls-players-birthplace-2016-jugadores-por-lugar-de-nacimiento-2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyFromToronto23 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I'll be 18 in 2018 and in June- July of 2018 I might go to El Salvador to start my career there because my dad knows someone and if it's successful hopefully I can make the switch to CanPL Nathanael Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradMack Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 If there's a starting lineup quota for canadians, which there probably will be... I'm betting on almost all the goalkeepers being Canadians. We probably have ten guys who would sign for 50k and be starting quality in this league; Stillo, Roberts, Monsalve Chensinski, Smits, all the guys on 1 year contracts in USL and the guys in the lower teirs of Euro leagues like Latendresse-Levesque and Al-Shaibani. The backup and 3rd keeper positions would almost certainly be domestic players, as you wouldn't want to pay high salaries or use international spots on those positions.Would expect to see a lot of NCAA and CIS guys fill those spots. Even if the starter was an international we'd be a red card, injury or rest day away from a Canadian getting a shot I'd assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Thought I would bump this thread in light of the discussion of Osorio in the main CPL thread. I have no idea how possible it is given the format, but is there any way we can make a table that shows some of the CPL player prospects that have been raised in various posts here and elsewhere? We currently have a bunch of guys playing in USL and NASL that would seem to be pretty likely candidates, as well as some fringe MLS guys that might want more playing time in CPL. Throw in the older Euro-based guys that have not hit the highest tiers and who may want to come home to play, and we would get a pretty good landscape of who might fill out the CanCon of the CPl teams. No idea if it is even possible, but it would be cool to be able to see that kind of list at-a-glance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolbertos Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I hope you guys take Tiebert, Adekugbe, Carducci, Bustos and Froese when its up and running. Don't think Tiebert survives being in thr Caps roster for the next 2 years. Adekugbe is injury prone and by the time the league starts might want to play locally. Carducci might interest some teams. I believe his stock is average USL player at most. Froese, well he plays in the 3rd-4th division in Germany. Can't be as bad as playing in the CPL. Regarding Bustos, well, can't see him being MLS starter material. The chances he's had have been mixed. He might become a star in the CPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, nolbertos said: I hope you guys take Tiebert, Adekugbe, Carducci, Bustos and Froese when its up and running. Don't think Tiebert survives being in thr Caps roster for the next 2 years. Adekugbe is injury prone and by the time the league starts might want to play locally. Carducci might interest some teams. I believe his stock is average USL player at most. Froese, well he plays in the 3rd-4th division in Germany. Can't be as bad as playing in the CPL. Regarding Bustos, well, can't see him being MLS starter material. The chances he's had have been mixed. He might become a star in the CPL. You Guys ???? Alex D, dyslexic nam and Kent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolbertos Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, MtlMario said: You Guys ???? Sorry meant Five Guys Burgers and Fries, but seriously meant rhe CPL brass as guys as they don't have a board yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtlMario Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 For a moment there I thought you weren't joining us. Nathanael Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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