September and October 2023 friendly matches (plans, speculation, rumours etc.)

[trc2014]

I hope you are right

[DoyleG]

42 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Similar on the Uzbek page. They play China Oct 13th.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

I can't find any Uzbek sources but there was a Chinese news source that said Uzbekistan had been invited to play China:

https://www.sohu.com/a/707656131_121618437 (click with caution, this site may be what sent my antivirus a virus notification)

 

There could be some truth to this unexpected wikipedia edit even though Xi'an China to Sapporo Japan seems like a long way to travel for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbekistan_national_football_team

Edited August 20, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille

[Stoppage Time]

Maybe each program, men's and women's, should share in the revenue generated by each program. That is, the women get a percentage of the money made by their revenue generating activities, and the men do the same with their activities. Each program profits, as it were, by the demand for its product which is not always predictable.

So, the CSA gives each an amount per year, and each program is free to market itself and make money for itself as it sees fit. There would be no requirement to share revenue.  For example, if the women hosted a game in Toronto against England, then only the women get the benefit of the revenue generated from the match. The same would be so for the men.

The sports market will very quickly tell both programs if and when they are succeeding in their marketing and popularity and what they ought to do to grow.

Question: Are men's and women's soccer different products? Would a ten year old girl typically attend a CWNT game due to love for soccer, or to see Christine Sinclair play? Would that same 10 year old girl typically attend a CMNT match? 

[costarg]

53 minutes ago, Stoppage Time said:

Maybe each program, men's and women's, should share in the revenue generated by each program. That is, the women get a percentage of the money made by their revenue generating activities, and the men do the same with their activities. Each program profits, as it were, by the demand for its product which is not always predictable.

So, the CSA gives each an amount per year, and each program is free to market itself and make money for itself as it sees fit. There would be no requirement to share revenue.  For example, if the women hosted a game in Toronto against England, then only the women get the benefit of the revenue generated from the match. The same would be so for the men.

The sports market will very quickly tell both programs if and when they are succeeding in their marketing and popularity and what they ought to do to grow.

Question: Are men's and women's soccer different products? Would a ten year old girl typically attend a CWNT game due to love for soccer, or to see Christine Sinclair play? Would that same 10 year old girl typically attend a CMNT match? 

You bring way too much logic and common sense to a chaotic and unreasonable subject. 

[Stoppage Time]

1 hour ago, costarg said:

You bring way too much logic and common sense to a chaotic and unreasonable subject. 

My sincere apologies. It is a weakness of mine.  😁

[Ottawafan]

On 8/20/2023 at 6:05 AM, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

A lot of people at FIFA would probably ask why a "poor" federation signed the CSB deal for a fixed annual fee out to 2037 and could ever be categorized that way in the first place when it hosted the Women's World Cup in 2015 and will be a co-host of the men's World Cup in 2026. There are no easy answers on this, unfortunately. Personally think it's the likes of South Sudan and East Timor that deserve extra help from FIFA rather than Canada and the crisis that the CSA currently faces can reasonably be described as first world problems when viewed from that sort of vantage point.

Nobody at FIFA will question why they signed a deal like that.  Who do you think taught the CSA how to formulate shady deals that allows a few to prosper from them?  Soccer in this country.

[narduch]

Apparently the CSA has agreed to fill all the remaining windows for the women this year with friendlies.

There is no excuse for them to not have September games for the men 

[Watchmen]

2 minutes ago, narduch said:

Apparently the CSA has agreed to fill all the remaining windows for the women this year with friendlies.

There is no excuse for them to not have September games for the men 

How many windows is that?

[narduch]

5 minutes ago, Watchmen said:

How many windows is that?

They have the same amount as the men (3 windows) according to Wikipedia 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_International_Match_Calendar

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by narduch

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

7 minutes ago, narduch said:

Apparently the CSA has agreed to fill all the remaining windows for the women this year with friendlies.**

***If the women win next month.

The windows will fill themselves otherwise.

[narduch]

9 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

***If the women win next month.

The windows will fill themselves otherwise.

Well the men may not even have a manager in September 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

46 minutes ago, narduch said:

Well the men may not even have a manager in September 

No coach? It's the perfect reason not to have a camp next month!

The CSA timed it all! They told TFC not to sack Bob Bradley too early so Herdman would jump ship just in time for the September window.

[Obinna]

1 hour ago, narduch said:

Apparently the CSA has agreed to fill all the remaining windows for the women this year with friendlies.

There is no excuse for them to not have September games for the men 

Funny how that comes out once it's too late to schedule anything for Sept.

[DoyleG]

1 hour ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

***If the women win next month.

The windows will fill themselves otherwise.

Other regions will be playing Olympic qualifiers, so getting teams to agree outside those dates is going to be difficult.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

1 hour ago, Obinna said:

Funny how that comes out once it's too late to schedule anything for Sept.

I'm not sure if that was old news, or if they just re-stated it. Certainly, one of the demands on the women's side was to be playing in every FIFA window.

[Obinna]

9 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

I'm not sure if that was old news, or if they just re-stated it. Certainly, one of the demands on the women's side was to be playing in every FIFA window.

Thanks for the clarification on that. 

I wonder if the men made an "equal" demand. 

[Ottawafan]

Where did the CSA all of a sudden find money to pull off these games and camps?  Have they been lying this whole time to squeeze the players? 

[Obinna]

8 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

Where did the CSA all of a sudden find money to pull off these games and camps?  Have they been lying this whole time to squeeze the players? 

Would be incredibly sad if true. 

Not sure what's even going on anymore in Canadian Soccer - but it's one hell of a mess. 

[Ottawafan]

1 minute ago, Obinna said:

Would be incredibly sad if true. 

Not sure what's even going on anymore in Canadian Soccer - but it's one hell of a mess. 

I'd like to think not, but 

[narduch]

27 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

Where did the CSA all of a sudden find money to pull off these games and camps?  Have they been lying this whole time to squeeze the players? 

Maybe Herdman leaving for TFC frees up some cash

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

56 minutes ago, Ottawafan said:

Where did the CSA all of a sudden find money to pull off these games and camps?

The 5 million dollar loan from FIFA presumably.

http://theathletic.com/4656900/2023/07/01/canada-soccer-fifa-loan/

Edited August 23, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille

[red card]

If the women outlast Jamaica, more of the OTP money should be available.

OTP has earmarked $2.805 million for Canada Soccer during 2023-24 or nearly 9% of the total OTP pot. This amount is only behind athletics, swimming, cycling & rowing. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by red card

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

3 hours ago, red card said:

If the women outlast Jamaica, more of the OTP money should be available.

OTP has earmarked $2.805 million for Canada Soccer during 2023-24 or nearly 9% of the total OTP pot. This amount is only behind athletics, swimming, cycling & rowing. 

Wow. Didn't know it was that much. The difference could come in closer to 3 million or more in practical terms (revenue - expenditures), given that it probably costs much more to have two home-and-away CONCACAF matches against Panama and Guatemala in Oct/Nov than it does to have a two seperate friendly camps with little travel in Oct/Nov.

+ Sponsorship money will be more likely to flow as we approach Paris 2024 if the CanWNT are qualified.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille

[Watchmen]

2 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Wow. Didn't know it was that much. The difference could come in closer to 3 million or more in practical terms (revenue - expenditures), given that it probably costs much more to have two home-and-away CONCACAF matches against Panama and Guatemala in Oct/Nov than it does to have a two seperate friendly camps with little travel in Oct/Nov.

+ Sponsorship money will be mire likely to flow as we approach Paris 2024 if the CanWNT are qualified.

Wouldn't the sponsorship money go to CSB?