Jesse Costa

[frmr]

1 minute ago, Bigandy said:

I guess I was responding to your sentence about the CSA not even being average. An average federation would not be able to preform much better than the CSA with all the resource constraints we have. A good federation might. 

Heres some solutions the CSA could think about in order to overcome the lack of resources. 
-Host a WC: This can generate interest in the game, better players, more money
-Get a pro league: Same as above
-Leverage a marketing specialist to increase sponsorship revenues: Same as above. 

Thats what the CSA did. keep in mind that no expereince or creative problem solving could have given the CSA any bargaining power during the CSB negotiations. If you look at the numbers, they arent horrible. If you look at the outcome as a result of the CSB deal, its been phenomenal for soccer in Canada. 
I look at the CSB deal as exactly the kind of creativity you are advocating for in order to find ways to get canada soccer to the next step on a limited budget. Is it perfect, no. Has it completely changed the landscape of soccer in canada, yes! 

Yet youre calling the CSA members morons for it.... 

What else can they do to not be morons if they have no resources and still somehow manage to instigate hosting a WC over doubling sponsorship revenues and creating a pro league in canada. If those 3 items are not what you think the CSA should be doing, what is? 

 

Alright, we'll call them average then, for the sake of discussion. You said yourself that a good federation would be able to perform better, so why do we not demand good leaders for our federation? You're just echoing the same mediocre defeatism that has plagued Canada Soccer since forever. If you're happy to have average people in charge of Canada's representation in the biggest game on the planet, then cool. It's very Canadian of you.

Sure they're probably not morons, I'll give you that. They sure as shit do not exude excellence either though, which is what we should be demanding. Not to be rude, but the problem is that most Canadians are just like you, happy with mediocrity. Could you imagine if these people were the heads of the FFF? Their heads would be on pikes and people would be drinking their blood. Canadians are just so content with mediocrity. It's a fucking miracle we were blessed with a manager and handful of players (who mostly came from other countries) to give us fans a glimpse of what actually striving for excellence looks like in this game. If only our leadership would take a page out of Herdman and the players' book.

Anyways, rant over. How bout that Costa.

[SthMelbRed]

2 minutes ago, frmr said:

Alright, we'll call them average then, for the sake of discussion. You said yourself that a good federation would be able to perform better, so why do we not demand good leaders for our federation? You're just echoing the same mediocre defeatism that has plagued Canada Soccer since forever. If you're happy to have average people in charge of Canada's representation in the biggest game on the planet, then cool. It's very Canadian of you.

Sure they're probably not morons, I'll give you that. They sure as shit do not exude excellence either though, which is what we should be demanding. Not to be rude, but the problem is that most Canadians are just like you, happy with mediocrity. Could you imagine if these people were the heads of the FFF? Their heads would be on pikes and people would be drinking their blood. Canadians are just so content with mediocrity. It's a fucking miracle we were blessed with a manager and handful of players (who mostly came from other countries) to give us fans a glimpse of what actually striving for excellence looks like in this game. If only our leadership would take a page out of Herdman and the players' book.

Anyways, rant over. How bout that Costa.

Excuse me?

[Footyeh]

Respectfully to the boy (and I really would love to see all players shine and be successful at any level), he isn't even a key player in his Wolfsburg team and hasn't been treated as such.  I think 95% of the hype has just been our own fans online who really haven't seen him.

The bigger issue here is the fact that the CSA can't afford to invest more in the youth national teams.  It's a major problem not just for the sake of an odd dual-national, but the opportunities/exposure/development our players would benefit from is massive.  Going to play friendly matches or tournaments are how many US players have been discovered by European clubs, it's what creates buzz and forces our domestic clubs to get serious about the talents they have in the academies.    

[frmr]

1 minute ago, SthMelbRed said:

Excuse me?

Yes?

[InglewoodJack]

9 minutes ago, Footyeh said:

But who's projecting this?

Some transfermarkt article posted a while back said he‘s projecting to be a player in the league in a few years. I might be mixing him up with Pelegríno. Either way projections are projections, but people are taking notice, and we’re not exactly in a position to turn down players who want to play for us and have the potential to be good.

[SthMelbRed]

4 minutes ago, frmr said:

Yes?

Do you want to name the specific players whom you consider to be from other countries?

[frmr]

Just now, SthMelbRed said:

Do you want to name the specific players whom you consider to be from other countries?

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, but I would "consider" Herdman, Davies and David to not originally be from Canada. I think you'll find most people would also consider that to be the case. I would also consider them to be the three people in the program who are world class or thereabouts.

[SthMelbRed]

3 minutes ago, frmr said:

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, but I would "consider" Herdman, Davies and David to not originally be from Canada. I think you'll find most people would also consider that to be the case. I would also consider them to be the three people in the program who are world class or thereabouts.

Davies, who moved to Canada at age 5, after living in a refugee camp up to that point......must be down to Ghana and Liberia all that he accomplished. David, who also moved to Canada at the age of 5. Good thing he spent 3 months in the US as a new born, followed by a few years in that football talent-factory of Haiti or he'd never have stood a chance. 

To be clear, what I'm trying to accomplish is to find out if your original statement was just disingenuous or flatly moronic.

[MauditYvon]

We are a fucking joke

[frmr]

Just now, SthMelbRed said:

Davies, who moved to Canada at age 5, after living in a refugee camp up to that point......must be down to Ghana and Liberia all that he accomplished. David, who also moved to Canada at the age of 5. Good thing he spent 3 months in the US as a new born, followed by a few years in that football talent-factory of Haiti or he'd never have stood a chance. 

To be clear, what I'm trying to accomplish is to find out if your original statement was just disingenuous or flatly moronic.

Cool. I never said any of those things. I just said they weren't from here, which is true.

You can create all the narratives you like.

[phresh]

1 minute ago, frmr said:

Cool. I never said any of those things. I just said they weren't from here, which is true.

You can create all the narratives you like.

Ok, they weren't born in Canada, but they were raised and trained here from their preschool years until they reached 18. What's your point?

[SthMelbRed]

Just now, frmr said:

Cool. I never said any of those things. I just said they weren't from here, which is true.

You can create all the narratives you like.

Cool. You felt the need to throw in that irrelevant line for no reason at all. Here's a narrative for you. You're both disingenuous and a fucking moron.

[frmr]

1 minute ago, phresh said:

Ok, they weren't born in Canada, but they were raised and trained here from their preschool years until they reached 18. What's your point?

Well obviously I hate Canada and I hate Canadians and I think the only good players we have are foreigners and the only reason Davies and David are good is because they're learned to play before the age of 5 in their true homes.

 

Just now, SthMelbRed said:

Cool. You felt the need to throw in that irrelevant line for no reason at all. Here's a narrative for you. You're both disingenuous and a fucking moron.

:sadface:

[Obinna]

1 hour ago, SthMelbRed said:

You're both disingenuous and a fucking moron.

Come on brother, is this really necessary? I know you made your mind up about his motives, but why not give him the benefit of the doubt? He doesn't have the track record of being a dickhead or troll, like some other posters around here. He's just stating facts, probably to paint the picture of how dire the situation would be if we never benefited from immigrants importing soccer culture to our country (that's how I took it). 

Maybe it's the insinuation that we (Canadians) are generally content with "average" that set you (and a few others) off? I mean, nothing to get heated about if there's no truth to it, right?

[SthMelbRed]

2 hours ago, Obinna said:

Come on brother, is this really necessary? I know you made your mind up about his motives, but why not give him the benefit of the doubt? He doesn't have the track record of being a dickhead or troll, like some other posters around here. He's just stating facts, probably to paint the picture of how dire the situation would be if we never benefited from immigrants importing soccer culture to our country (that's how I took it). 

Maybe it's the insinuation that we (Canadians) are generally content with "average" that set you (and a few others) off? I mean, nothing to get heated about if there's no truth to it, right?

Or, he suggested that two young men, who have exhibited nothing but absolute pride in representing our country are somehow not-quite Canadian? 

[Bison44]

I would put forward another narrative, a far more prevalent CDN trait is to tear down other CDN and assume they dont measure up to people from other countries.  Soccer is king in England or Italy so their FA must be exceptional.  The USSF is run by forward thinking geniuses??  Which country doesnt complain about their FA? 

Plenty of good things have happened for soccer in canada in the last 10-15 years.  And they didnt happen by accident.  We actually have a pyramid now, more pathways for young players than ever before. Both the mens and womens national programs are successful, there are more oppurtunities for our players, coaches, refs, staff than ever before in our own country.  Now the deck is still stacked against us, there is no money for anything but hockey in this country.  Nothing gets built but hockey rinks but I dont know what a more exceptional CSA board is going to do about that.  The way we tear these people down that try to do better it ensures that top CDN dont want to be anywhere near these jobs.  

[frmr]

17 minutes ago, SthMelbRed said:

Or, he suggested that two young men, who have exhibited nothing but absolute pride in representing our country are somehow not-quite Canadian? 

Dude, honestly—fuck off. I never said they weren't Canadian, I said they came from other countries. They weren't born here. It's a simple fact. The fact that you're injecting this narrative that I'm suggesting they're "not quite Canadian" or that they're not proud to represent Canada is shameful and abhorrent. I highlighted them, along with Herdman, as the ones who are examples of excellence in our program and I said it was a miracle that we were blessed to have them represent us. David is literally my favourite player on the planet. The fact that you went out of your way to start this embarrassing conversation that you dragged me in to, is purely a reflection on you and your thought patterns. So maybe you should take five and think about why you're projecting your own bullshit on to others. And leave me the fuck out of it.

[Obinna]

40 minutes ago, SthMelbRed said:

Or, he suggested that two young men, who have exhibited nothing but absolute pride in representing our country are somehow not-quite Canadian? 

If you hold a Canadian passport (which they all do) you are quite Canadian. It's pretty simple. Clearly he wasn't suggesting otherwise. In fact he described our forigen born players and coach as a blessing and positive influence on our soccer culture (which of course they are).

Actually, he described them as a "fucking mirirrrrrrreeeeeeewwwwaaaaaaa                  ;ifijmk,mnmkomjoikmj      hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhffffffffffffeeeeeee cale", because they are pioneers of the game, born abroad in "soccer countries", importing the love of the game to this land of ours. And it's not just them, it's many of us right here on this forum. 

Cheers!

(PS - I just let my 2 year old "explore" the keyboard. She was amused and so was I, so I left it here. Enoy!)

 

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[gigi riva]

1 hour ago, Bison44 said:

I would put forward another narrative, a far more prevalent CDN trait is to tear down other CDN and assume they dont measure up to people from other countries.  Soccer is king in England or Italy so their FA must be exceptional.  The USSF is run by forward thinking geniuses??  Which country doesnt complain about their FA? 

Plenty of good things have happened for soccer in canada in the last 10-15 years.  And they didnt happen by accident.  We actually have a pyramid now, more pathways for young players than ever before. Both the mens and womens national programs are successful, there are more oppurtunities for our players, coaches, refs, staff than ever before in our own country.  Now the deck is still stacked against us, there is no money for anything but hockey in this country.  Nothing gets built but hockey rinks but I dont know what a more exceptional CSA board is going to do about that.  The way we tear these people down that try to do better it ensures that top CDN dont want to be anywhere near these jobs.  

Amen Bison

[gigi riva]

I am not going to get to concerned about a 18 year old dual national  yet 

[Macksam]

6 hours ago, frmr said:

Well obviously I hate Canada and I hate Canadians and I think the only good players we have are foreigners and the only reason Davies and David are good is because they're learned to play before the age of 5 in their true homes.

 

:sadface:

This post right here shows the true genius of frmr. Well played bro. You are in my good book, which is a coveted position to be in. Remember this. 

[Macksam]

6 hours ago, SthMelbRed said:

Cool. You felt the need to throw in that irrelevant line for no reason at all. Here's a narrative for you. You're both disingenuous and a fucking moron.

Bhaiji, relax bro, no need for such vitriol. 

[SthMelbRed]

2 hours ago, frmr said:

Dude, honestly—fuck off. I never said they weren't Canadian, I said they came from other countries. They weren't born here. It's a simple fact. The fact that you're injecting this narrative that I'm suggesting they're "not quite Canadian" or that they're not proud to represent Canada is shameful and abhorrent. I highlighted them, along with Herdman, as the ones who are examples of excellence in our program and I said it was a miracle that we were blessed to have them represent us. David is literally my favourite player on the planet. The fact that you went out of your way to start this embarrassing conversation that you dragged me in to, is purely a reflection on you and your thought patterns. So maybe you should take five and think about why you're projecting your own bullshit on to others. And leave me the fuck out of it.

You had two opportunities to walk it back, and decided not to. Now you're crying about being called out for it, and I have issues? Fucking pathetic, mate.

[Ozzie_the_parrot]

5 hours ago, frmr said:

Dude, honestly—fuck off. I never said they weren't Canadian, ...

You could always put him on ignore. Button to do that becomes visible if you hover the mouse over the relevant user's avatar.

[Shway]

1 hour ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said:

You could always put him on ignore. Button to do that becomes visible if you hover the mouse over the relevant user's avatar.

… wait, how much people do you have on ignore lol.