Jesse Costa

[JamesF]

Jesse Costa Interview

 

[Ivan]

18 hours ago, JamesF said:

Jesse Costa Interview

 

Thanks for this @JamesF.  The kid's definitely got some personality!   Good luck to him.

[jordan]

Selected again by a nation with a youth team

 

[YorkRegionFan]

Does he have to file a one time switch?  I thought he played for us in the U20 qualifiers.

[jordan]

19 minutes ago, YorkRegionFan said:

Does he have to file a one time switch?  I thought he played for us in the U20 qualifiers.

U18 is just friendlies I believe. 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

Just now, jordan said:

U18 is just friendlies I believe. 

Correct. No paperwork involved.

[Obinna]

6 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Correct. No paperwork involved.

Would he need paperwork to switch back to us, or no?

[Atlantic]

Given there’s no Sporting, Porto, Braga or Benfica players on there I’m guessing it’s a “best of the rest” sort of camp for Portugal 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

2 hours ago, Obinna said:

Would he need paperwork to switch back to us, or no?

No.

[Yo123]

Take a look at his twitter likes, seems like he would have played for Canada given the opportunity, and is definitely going to switch back.

[InglewoodJack]

Can’t fault the kid especially given that we don’t have anything to offer him at this point.

funny enough, he’s barely on social media, but his banner is him in a Canada jersey, all his 9 likes are on Canadian content, the post before that one is about Canada. Feel like if we give him the Koleosho treatment, he’d actually commit. Hope he has a good, but not too good time with Portugal.

[InglewoodJack]

Great news all around. Sick.

[Obinna]

Obviously not great news, but at the same time it isn't really news, just talk and speculation by Veth. If he gets a second call, then that is news. Even then, it doesn't mean much until he's close to getting cap tied. If he files a one-time switch to play youth ball for Portugal, that's pretty short-sighted, but obviously his pergogative. Not vexed by this at all. If we are not going to develop youth players, let another nation do it at least. If they are THAT good, just call them into the nats. It's risky but hopefully temporary.

[VinceA]

Veth trying to get engagements by drumming up fear.

Even if Costa eventually breaks into Wolfsburg's team, that doesn't mean he's automatically going to join Portugal, nor would Portugal immediately call him up.

There's also no guarantee he even sticks at Wolfsburg.

Also he's trying to throw Dias in and say we'll lose him but Dias is now 20 and is still playing youth ball.

[Dominic94]

Dias is a good prospect, however, I don’t think he was the cant miss he was made out too be.

[InglewoodJack]

Portugal is deep but not too deep to ignore a player climbing through the ranks of a Bundesliga team and who’s projected to be a good Bundesliga player in a few years. They won’t call him up to the senior team for years, but there’s enough interest to keep delaying his decision until he’s older, and by that time, he might be good enough for them. 
 

Dieu Michel Merci could be another player Portugal starts looking at. I don’t know what his citizenship situation looks like, but I think he may be Angolan, and they have certain privileges in obtaining Portuguese citizenship, so if he keeps lifting it up, they might give him a look. We need more camps.

[Obinna]

1 hour ago, InglewoodJack said:

Portugal is deep but not too deep to ignore a player climbing through the ranks of a Bundesliga team and who’s projected to be a good Bundesliga player in a few years. They won’t call him up to the senior team for years, but there’s enough interest to keep delaying his decision until he’s older, and by that time, he might be good enough for them. 
 

Dieu Michel Merci could be another player Portugal starts looking at. I don’t know what his citizenship situation looks like, but I think he may be Angolan, and they have certain privileges in obtaining Portuguese citizenship, so if he keeps lifting it up, they might give him a look. We need more camps.

Fair enough if that's how you see it, but again I cannot worry about this personally. Way too many IFs so I find it hard to care. Projection is just that and like Vince says, he may not even be with Wolfsburg in a few years, or any Bundesliga team for that matter. He's a 2005 iirc so 18 years old, yet hasn't featured for the Wolfsburg first team yet. Wake me up when he makes his Bundesliga debut. By then Herdman will be keen to bring him in and he'll be nowhere close to Portugal, obviously. If he declines at that point then it is what it is.

For now I sit back and wait to see if he can fiest establish himself at a decent pro level.

[InglewoodJack]

15 minutes ago, Obinna said:

Fair enough if that's how you see it, but again I cannot worry about this personally. Way too many IFs so I find it hard to care. Projection is just that and like Vince says, he may not even be with Wolfsburg in a few years, or any Bundesliga team for that matter. He's a 2005 iirc so 18 years old, yet hasn't featured for the Wolfsburg first team yet. Wake me up when he makes his Bundesliga debut. By then Herdman will be keen to bring him in and he'll be nowhere close to Portugal, obviously. If he declines at that point then it is what it is.

For now I sit back and wait to see if he can fiest establish himself at a decent pro level.

All of it is ifs, he’s still a few years out from being able to play for us, let alone Portugal. That said, not all to dissimilar to the Mitrovic situation. A kid who by all accounts really wanted to play for Canada, we sat on our hands, and now he’s a Serbia international. Symptom of a larger problem.

[Obinna]

1 minute ago, InglewoodJack said:

All of it is ifs, he’s still a few years out from being able to play for us, let alone Portugal. That said, not all to dissimilar to the Mitrovic situation. A kid who by all accounts really wanted to play for Canada, we sat on our hands, and now he’s a Serbia international. Symptom of a larger problem.

Yes that is true. We could and should have wrapped up Mitrovic before he moved to Red Star. Once he moved from Rad the path to the Serbian NT was clear.

Fortunately for us Serbia are not Portugal, at least. With Mitrovic Serbia were willing to cynically cap tie and we weren't. Is that something Herdman regrets and has learned from, I wonder?

Right now I would put the odds of the Portugal senior team cynically cap-tying Costa the same as cap tying Dias, or Italy cap tying Koleosho.

[frmr]

I've been purposely avoiding all of the CSA/CSB hullabaloo so I'm not too up on the finances of Canada Soccer, but it sure is frustrating when they repeatedly drop the ball in terms of missing opportunities on World Cup kits, an awful deal with CSB right before the height of soccer popularity in Canada, ticket price debacles.. the list goes on. And it's due to these blunders at the top that we don't have money to hold youth camps and are starting to lose out on young talent.

I try not to get too worked up about moronic people, but I can't help but just shake my head when I think about how utterly useless the people running Canada Soccer are. I don't understand how we can't get some competent executives who would at least be average at running a football federation and do what almost all countries can manage to figure out: how to organize a fucking youth camp.

[Bigandy]

5 minutes ago, frmr said:

I've been purposely avoiding all of the CSA/CSB hullabaloo so I'm not too up on the finances of Canada Soccer, but it sure is frustrating when they repeatedly drop the ball in terms of missing opportunities on World Cup kits, an awful deal with CSB right before the height of soccer popularity in Canada, ticket price debacles.. the list goes on. And it's due to these blunders at the top that we don't have money to hold youth camps and are starting to lose out on young talent.

I try not to get too worked up about moronic people, but I can't help but just shake my head when I think about how utterly useless the people running Canada Soccer are. I don't understand how we can't get some competent executives who would at least be average at running a football federation and do what almost all countries can manage to figure out: how to organize a fucking youth camp.

I think you miss alot of the real challenges our organization faces. 

We have a shoe string budget. How is the CSA supposed to find a way to pay for the youth camps. The simple answer is budget cuts. Perhaps like asking the women to fly economy to she believes cup..... 

The CSA made some budget cuts and the CWNT went on strike. The men surely arent any different since they went on strike first and cost us 3million. 

It isnt a matter of not having the skillset to organize a youthcamp, its that we have no cash and the second we get any, the Sr teams try and take it all for themselves. 

What are the blunders that cost us our ability to pay for youth camps:
1. the men going on strike - 3Million
2. operating costs going thru the roof during covid (cant have home games)
3. All the prize money being fought for by both men and womens teams
4. The CSB deal that provided over double the revenue we had prior to the deal, a pro canadian league, hosting the WC. All of these are factors that increase the marketability of the sport. Its incorrect to think that the CSA could generate the same as CSB does when CSB has the resources of a marketing company and can leverage the CPL and WC. Without the deal the CSA is not bringing in much cash at all.  

[frmr]

6 minutes ago, Bigandy said:

I think you miss alot of the real challenges our organization faces. 

We have a shoe string budget. How is the CSA supposed to find a way to pay for the youth camps. The simple answer is budget cuts. Perhaps like asking the women to fly economy to she believes cup..... 

The CSA made some budget cuts and the CWNT went on strike. The men surely arent any different since they went on strike first and cost us 3million. 

It isnt a matter of not having the skillset to organize a youthcamp, its that we have no cash and the second we get any, the Sr teams try and take it all for themselves. 

What are the blunders that cost us our ability to pay for youth camps:
1. the men going on strike - 3Million
2. operating costs going thru the roof during covid (cant have home games)
3. All the prize money being fought for by both men and womens teams
4. The CSB deal that provided over double the revenue we had prior to the deal, a pro canadian league, hosting the WC. All of these are factors that increase the marketability of the sport. Its incorrect to think that the CSA could generate the same as CSB does when CSB has the resources of a marketing company and can leverage the CPL and WC. Without the deal the CSA is not bringing in much cash at all.  

I don't miss those challenges. I'm highlighting that our leadership team is failing at overcoming them. And they have essentially failed at every turn.

Every person, organization, country, whatever has challenges, that's what life is. For an organization as important as a national football federation, you need someone clever/experienced enough to be able to navigate those challenges and succeed. Our leadership are not succeeding, they're not clever, they're experienced basically on in failure, and on the scale of football leadership in the world, they're probably somewhere near the bottom. You may disagree with that assessment, that's fine.

[Bigandy]

1 minute ago, frmr said:

I don't miss those challenges. I'm highlighting that our leadership team is failing at overcoming them. And they have essentially failed at every turn.

Every person, organization, country, whatever has challenges, that's what life is. For an organization as important as a national football federation, you need someone clever/experienced enough to be able to navigate those challenges and succeed. Our leadership are not succeeding, they're not clever, they're experienced basically on in failure, and on the scale of football leadership in the world, they're probably somewhere near the bottom. You may disagree with that assessment, that's fine.

I guess I was responding to your sentence about the CSA not even being average. An average federation would not be able to preform much better than the CSA with all the resource constraints we have. A good federation might. 

Heres some solutions the CSA could think about in order to overcome the lack of resources. 
-Host a WC: This can generate interest in the game, better players, more money
-Get a pro league: Same as above
-Leverage a marketing specialist to increase sponsorship revenues: Same as above. 

Thats what the CSA did. keep in mind that no expereince or creative problem solving could have given the CSA any bargaining power during the CSB negotiations. If you look at the numbers, they arent horrible. If you look at the outcome as a result of the CSB deal, its been phenomenal for soccer in Canada. 
I look at the CSB deal as exactly the kind of creativity you are advocating for in order to find ways to get canada soccer to the next step on a limited budget. Is it perfect, no. Has it completely changed the landscape of soccer in canada, yes! 

Yet youre calling the CSA members morons for it.... 

What else can they do to not be morons if they have no resources and still somehow manage to instigate hosting a WC over doubling sponsorship revenues and creating a pro league in canada. If those 3 items are not what you think the CSA should be doing, what is? 

 

[Footyeh]

3 hours ago, InglewoodJack said:

Portugal is deep but not too deep to ignore a player climbing through the ranks of a Bundesliga team and who’s projected to be a good Bundesliga player in a few years. They won’t call him up to the senior team for years, but there’s enough interest to keep delaying his decision until he’s older, and by that time, he might be good enough for them. 
 

Dieu Michel Merci could be another player Portugal starts looking at. I don’t know what his citizenship situation looks like, but I think he may be Angolan, and they have certain privileges in obtaining Portuguese citizenship, so if he keeps lifting it up, they might give him a look. We need more camps.

But who's projecting this?

[narduch]

1 minute ago, Footyeh said:

But who's projecting this?

Exactly. These youth players are a dime a dozen.