Watchmen Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 31 minutes ago, BearcatSA said: Just as I thought. I thought after last season he was done, but AFTN started reporting that the relationship between him and the club had been fixed. Will be interested to hear what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Watchmen said: I thought after last season he was done, but AFTN started reporting that the relationship between him and the club had been fixed. Will be interested to hear what happened. Those things are rarely "fixed." A myriad if factors could be at play: the club probably wanted to get something for him and inevitably (and not suprisingly) had no takers, with his injury issues (unless the club was misleading in that way to keep him out of the line up, who knows? Maybe he himself believed that he was going to get a fair shot at the LB spot this year, saw it was not going to happen, so has agreed to a mutual termination. On the surface, the biggest issue was his injury absences. The best ability is availability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCrTFC Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Going to Toronto FC https://www.torontofc.ca/news/toronto-fc-acquire-defender-cristian-gutierrez Dominic94, narduch, Obinna and 13 others 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, CCrTFC said: Going to Toronto FC https://www.torontofc.ca/news/toronto-fc-acquire-defender-cristian-gutierrez When @Watchmen posted he was leaving last week, I was going to mention that he should go to TFC for LB support. Now, I just look like a guy who is talking out of his ass 😄 The left back spot with TFC is still up for grabs in my opinion. Petretta has been inconsistent and the fact he was barely playing (and not well) for Kasimpasa in Turkey makes me think he is not the long term solution for TFC. Let's hope Gutierrez can take that spot for his own. Edited March 14, 2023 by Corazon GasPed, johnyb, narduch and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Petretta has been unimpressive, I’m happy they claimed him and he has a real chance at playing and being a steal… but it makes the Petrasso trade look boggling… also, awful asset management by Vancouver and Sartini, he was wrong fully dropped narduch, Shway and Corazon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) He made a good 268k USD in 2022. He had an option for 2023 in his contract with the Whitecaps. Did the Whitecaps transfer it over to Toronto or did they not exercise that option and he signed a fresh contract with Toronto? Edited March 14, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, CCrTFC said: Going to Toronto FC https://www.torontofc.ca/news/toronto-fc-acquire-defender-cristian-gutierrez Beautiful! Vancouver....what were you thinking? I hope this gets Guti back in the NT pool. Corazon and K Edgar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Sounds like he had a falling out with Sartini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dominic94 said: Petretta has been unimpressive, I’m happy they claimed him and he has a real chance at playing and being a steal… but it makes the Petrasso trade look boggling… also, awful asset management by Vancouver and Sartini, he was wrong fully dropped Agree with the bolded part above. But it's possible that Petretta hasn't impressed as much as expected. It's also becoming more clear that JMR isn't going to be playing much outside back (or at all). So as far as outside backs go: 1) Laryea is a lock. 2) Petretta has underwhelmed (looked decent on opening game). 3) Franklin probably not ready for consistent minutes. 4) JMR is yet to even play this season. Gutierrez arguably walks into this club potentially as the 2nd best outside back in the squad. Edited March 14, 2023 by Corazon aredding77, Obinna, GasPed and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Just now, Corazon said: Agree with the bolded part above. But it's possible that Petretta hasn't impressed as much as expected. It's also becoming more clear that JMR isn't going to be playing much outside back (or at all). So as far as outside backs go: 1) Laryea is a lock. 2) Petretta has underwhelmed (looked decent on opening game). 3) Franklin probably not ready for consistent minutes. 4) JMR is yet to even play this season. Gutierrez arguably walks into this club as the 2nd best outside back in the squad. Laryea is possibly leaving in the summer too, so that's one less option. TFC are smart to pick up another fullback. Corazon and Cheeta 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, Corazon said: Gutierrez arguably walks into this club potentially as the 2nd best outside back in the squad. IF... he can stay healthy. Too much lost time with knocks and nigglies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corazon Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, BearcatSA said: IF... he can stay healthy. Too much lost time with knocks and nigglies. Sounds like he's going to fit it nicely at Toronto! narduch and Ivan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedPilko Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, narduch said: Sounds like he had a falling out with Sartini Like a year ago lol narduch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Corazon said: Agree with the bolded part above. But it's possible that Petretta hasn't impressed as much as expected. It's also becoming more clear that JMR isn't going to be playing much outside back (or at all). So as far as outside backs go: 1) Laryea is a lock. 2) Petretta has underwhelmed (looked decent on opening game). 3) Franklin probably not ready for consistent minutes. 4) JMR is yet to even play this season. Gutierrez arguably walks into this club potentially as the 2nd best outside back in the squad. Agreed, but I think Franklin will surprise, he could replace Laryea. Corazon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccMan Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 5 hours ago, Corazon said: When @Watchmen posted he was leaving last week, I was going to mention that he should go to TFC for LB support. Now, I just look like a guy who is talking out of his ass 😄 The left back spot with TFC is still up for grabs in my opinion. Petretta has been inconsistent and the fact he was barely playing (and not well) for Kasimpasa in Turkey makes me think he is not the long term solution for TFC. Let's hope Gutierrez can take that spot for his own. I think Petretta has been fine , don’t see what else people wanted this guy to do in the three games he has played . I’ve seen enough of Gutierrez at Vancouver and never impressed was not surprised that Vancouver let him go . However, Bob Bradley was the one who saw something in Kaye and look how well he did under Bradley in LA, maybe he can do the same for Gutierrez let’s see. Ivan, Obinna and Club Linesman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 He might surprise here. He's not a great defensive LB (more finesse than a gritty defender) but he's comfortable in possession and can work the ball out of the back under pressure; also has a good cross. Not a high engine room guy so he's not going to be bombing up and down the flank. I felt he was misused in Vancouver (MDS had him at LM one game, Vanni had him at RWB in an inverted role then also tried him at LCB) and with the club now being gung ho on having the right footed Raposo at LB, Ahmed showing some promise, and Martins on an ill-advised richer, longer term extension. perhaps he himself may have asked for a move. Well, here it is and I really hope it works out well for him. Corazon and Watchmen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 13 hours ago, SoccMan said: I think Petretta has been fine , don’t see what else people wanted this guy to do in the three games he has played . I’ve seen enough of Gutierrez at Vancouver and never impressed was not surprised that Vancouver let him go . However, Bob Bradley was the one who saw something in Kaye and look how well he did under Bradley in LA, maybe he can do the same for Gutierrez let’s see. I have only watched the first game, but I thought Petretta was very good. It won't be straight-forward for Gutierrez getting in the side ahead of him. Either way, Toronto now has two capable left backs. That's good from a Toronto FC perspective. From a NT perspective I hope Gutierrez can earn the spot but may the best player win. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 johnyb and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Watchmen said: Interesting. Those are some nice savings for the Caps. TFC get a talented player on the cheap. Gutierrez gets another chance to prove himself in MLS. This is a win for everybody. Dropping down to 85K must sting, but that's the market for the player right now. It's more than he'd get in CPL and possibly in Chile, though that's an assumption. Plus, 85K is in USD, so that's a 6 figure salary which most 25 year olds would sell their soul for, so can't feel too bad for the guy. He also made over a quarter million doars last year, also in USD, so he should be financial sound for a while if he's managed his money properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Obinna said: Interesting. Those are some nice savings for the Caps. TFC get a talented player on the cheap. Gutierrez gets another chance to prove himself in MLS. This is a win for everybody. Dropping down to 85K must sting, but that's the market for the player right now. It's more than he'd get in CPL and possibly in Chile, though that's an assumption. Plus, 85K is in USD, so that's a 6 figure salary which most 25 year olds would sell their soul for, so can't feel too bad for the guy. He also made over a quarter million doars last year, also in USD, so he should be financial sound for a while if he's managed his money properly. No, Gutierrez gets the full amount still. TFC pays 85k, the Whitecaps pay the rest. Obinna, A_Gagne, Shway and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Watchmen said: No, Gutierrez gets the full amount still. TFC pays 85k, the Whitecaps pay the rest. Appreciate the clarification. So really Guti and TFC are the real winners here in that case! I hesitate to call this a win for the Caps if they are paying more for Gutierrez then what they are saving. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Obinna said: Appreciate the clarification. So really Guti and TFC are the real winners here in that case! I hesitate to call this a win for the Caps if they are paying more for Gutierrez then what they are saving. I think it will depend on how much he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Watchmen said: I think it will depend on how much he plays. I don't think he will have to play much for this to be deemed a success. I'll say greater than 500 minutes across all competitions and this is a steal. 300-500 minutes in all comps and it's "good" business. Even sub 300 minutes and it's "decent" business. He'd have to basically play 0 minutes in my eyes for this to be a waste of time for TFC. johnyb and Corazon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Obinna said: I don't think he will have to play much for this to be deemed a success. I'll say greater than 500 minutes across all competitions and this is a steal. 300-500 minutes in all comps and it's "good" business. Even sub 300 minutes and it's "decent" business. He'd have to basically play 0 minutes in my eyes for this to be a waste of time for TFC. Well, he also has to play well. It can't just be limited minutes due to injuries. But, hope it works out for him (except against the Whitecaps). I would have liked to have kept him here, but if the Caps are taking on Yao while bouncing Gutierrez to TFC then at least young Canadians are getting a shot. toontownman, GasPed, Corazon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 "Has yet to train with the club". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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