Gian-Luca Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Free kick said: Yes. This was a poor performance overall. No one should take comfort in their when you look like a USL team out there. Half of the line up are de facto or actual USL players though, so probably not a surprise that they looked like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Second weekend in a row where our Canadian clubs collect a combined ZERO points. 16 goals against!! I know that TFC will get back on track, starting next weekend, but I've huge concerns for Vancouver and Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Free kick said: You are letting Dunn off the hook and blaming unfairly someone else. Dunn found himself in situation that defenders will face numerous times during a game and (as a defender) have to be expected to handle. He got beat way way too easily, that was way to easy of goal. In regards to Dunn’s play, the third goal by houston was a bigger concern for me than the first goal because the first, even though it was blunder, the blame could be shared somewhat with the player who passed the ball and/or you could chaulk it up to first game jitters. The first goal was more mental than talent related. But the third goal, the way he played it speaks to talent and preparation. If you are on the right side with a 17 year old in his first start and its 1 way traffic maybe you should help him out?? Dunn was getting beat at will most of the game (which i mentioned) and a veteran should have recognized that. Telfer was able to do more offensively than Hasler and help out with Taintor defensively on the left. The pregame show said WATCH OUT for the speedy wingers. I guess I didnt really expect Dunn to be up to MLS speed but I would have expected him to get some help after he got beat the first 3-4 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Gian-Luca said: Half of the line up are de facto or actual USL players though, so probably not a surprise that they looked like that. And the other half were guys you cut from the team last year and they migrated back (Spencer, Hernandez, Taintor), plus your USL guys were playing out of position (Telfer at LB and Dunn at RB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I hope Dunn can bounce back from a poor MLS start, I thought he did get hung out to dry, some of it due to the formation he was playing in and as Bison says, a lack of defensive support, I know their winger was speedy, Dunn looked slow compared to him, I did see some positives from him and we have to remember the kid is 17 years old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Now having watched the game I would disagree with the view that it was an overall poor team performance. 4 of the 5 goals & every single other dangerous scoring chance Houston got was because TFC's back line of a 17 year old, a USL loanee and an not-in-shape aging journeyman defender rescued from retirement - a trio who had never ever played together as a back line before - couldn't handle the starting wingers of the Honduran National team. Well there's a shocker. But I thought the forwards (except Spencer) and midfielders (including the two who came on in the 2nd half) were quite good and unlucky not to have scored 4 goals of their own given the barely-offside Hamilton goal, the missed PK and several other high quality chances. Chapman did have a very impressive game IMO (on both sides of the ball), Hamilton looked better than Ricketts for the most part and Fraser was solid and I like his ability to shoot from distance (I wished his teammates had utilized this more often - a couple of times they didn't pass it to him when he was in a shooting position) and spray forward passes. The Argentine player looks like he might be a useful option coming off the bench. This was a guaranteed loss from the start (only dressing 16 players again, just 11 who had previous MLS experience - one of those 11 being a 17 year old who got his first 10 minutes the previous week - with Jordan Hamilton captaining the side at the end - should tell you everything you needed to know about the prospects of a victory on the road in a place that would have been tough for the 1st team to get a win at), so I came out of this fairly encouraged by some of the performances from some of the 2nd stringers (Hamilton, Chapman, Fraser all look like they are developing) and a couple of the debutants off the bench. I'm not going to throw Dunn under the bus, as this is pretty much what the coaching staff did by throwing him out there to begin with (and in that formation). The guy is young enough to play for Canada's next U20 team, hardly a surprise he got repeatedly torched in his first start by Honduran national team players and no cover. I'm sure he'll be fine in the long run and take it as a learning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 On the over turned goal, it was actually Ricketts who was offside. I would say it was more than barely from what i recall, a couple of steps. I only caught that one on the replay because at first i thought it was Hamilton who was off side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Nice to see Hamilton has already surpassed his minutes total from last year. Tough luck on the recall, Rickets should have done better as we was looking right down the line and was at .east 2-3 steps in front of Hamilton. They might have let it go as Hamilton was close, but Rickets was way off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Free kick said: On the over turned goal, it was actually Ricketts who was offside. I would say it was more than barely from what i recall, a couple of steps. I only caught that one on the replay because at first i thought it was Hamilton who was off side. Hamilton was offside, not by much, but offside. It was the right call imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Yeah, Hamilton was slightly offside. Sucks to have a goal taken away, feel bad for the kid. But it was the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Ivan said: Yeah, Hamilton was slightly offside. Sucks to have a goal taken away, feel bad for the kid. But it was the right call. Too bad. I like his poaching instincts in the box. I hope he makes the squad for Wednesday because if they need a goal I'd prefer him out there over Aketxe, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 49 minutes ago, BearcatSA said: Too bad. I like his poaching instincts in the box. I hope he makes the squad for Wednesday because if they need a goal I'd prefer him out there over Aketxe, tbh. Aketxe, and Ricketts. Been impressed with Jordan so far this year. Give him a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 My guess is that Vanney allegedly singling out Julian Dunn as one of the TFC players who impressed him against Houston is a bit of a PR stunt to help with the kids confidence given the position he was put in: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2018/04/23/toronto-fc-resolute-ccl-focus-despite-last-place-start-mls-campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Well Dunn didnt fold up into a ball and quit. A 17 year old CB thrown into RB for his first MLS start, things were stacked against him. And its not like Taintor or Hernandez covered themselves with glory. Something like that could really shake a kids confidence, but he seemed to take it on the chin and keep his head up to the end. Some of the vets should have been hanging their heads as they know better and should have done much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I actually felt that Hernandez could be blamed for a couple of mistakes that announcers were pinning on Dunn. First, Hernandez gave up a few hospital passes that put Dunn and others under too much pressure. Second, as the veteran CB, knowing that your 17-year old rookie partner is up against Elis/Quioto, you have to provide cover (or at least somebody does). Often, there was virtually no cover for Dunn. Occasionally, Hernandez was actually jogging back just to get in line with the other defenders. For me, when you control for experience and expectations, he was hands down the worst defender on the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Most significant line for me in this article: https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/maple-leaf-square-host-combined-tailgate-raptors-leafs-tfc/ is "All four of the city’s major sports teams will be in action, marking just the sixth time that the Toronto Maple Leafs, Toronto Raptors, Toronto FC and Toronto Blue Jays will be playing games on the same date." Even though that's the reality in the city, it's the first time I've seen the MLS team included in a top four. It's normally in a Top 5 with the Argos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Narcotic Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Wow, talk about a sea change. e-sports, Rugby, CPL, lacrosse, NWSL and everything else possibly on the horizon as well doesn't bode well for the Argos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 On 24-4-2018 at 12:58 AM, shorty said: I actually felt that Hernandez could be blamed for a couple of mistakes that announcers were pinning on Dunn. First, Hernandez gave up a few hospital passes that put Dunn and others under too much pressure. Second, as the veteran CB, knowing that your 17-year old rookie partner is up against Elis/Quioto, you have to provide cover (or at least somebody does). Often, there was virtually no cover for Dunn. Occasionally, Hernandez was actually jogging back just to get in line with the other defenders. For me, when you control for experience and expectations, he was hands down the worst defender on the night. You Dutch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 No, I'm not Dutch. Not sure what the association with hospital passes and the Netherlands is... My rugby and soccer coaches in youth all used the term, and they were Welsh, Jamaican, Scottish, British, German... Basically a pass that is going to put your teammate in the hospital the moment they receive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Anyone know of any injuries for tonight's game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jith12 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 52 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said: Anyone know of any injuries for tonight's game? Morrow and Mavinga are out for sure. Vazquez is questionable. Hagglund is out long term. As far as I know Jozy seems to be fine but I am not sure if he is 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Jith12 said: Morrow and Mavinga are out for sure. Vazquez is questionable. Hagglund is out long term. As far as I know Jozy seems to be fine but I am not sure if he is 100%. And despite all that we are doing great so far. Gotta grab another goal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jith12 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, dyslexic nam said: And despite all that we are doing great so far. Gotta grab another goal... And now Moor as well. We gotta close this one out. LET'S GO BOYS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 When I saw the starting lineup posted, i was convinced it was a mistake. No central defenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Giovinco is getting fouled left and right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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