BearcatSA Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Floro brought a club side mentality to the NT. I honestly didn't have a problem with that so long as the role players he was using to execute his game plan were playing regularly at club level and in relatively decent form. Unfortunately, some of the guys he relied upon looked off the pace and ineffective because they weren't playing first team minutes. And as I mentioned in another thread, what was the point of bringing in Hainault as an 8th CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 On September 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, RJB said: I think it's worth noting that many managers (including many discussed here) cannot handle being a national team manager. No, I don't mean the pressure, I mean having so much down time. Look at Conte with Italy: he left mainly because he didn't have the opportunity to spend as much time with his players. Basically, he got bored. And Mourinho has said in the past that a national team manager should be in the later stages of their career, so as to not miss the day-in day-out so much. I dont know why there is such reluctance (around the world) to give the job to a coach who is already coaching a club and let him coach both. This came up few years ago (as i recall) with scotland as they pondered this. Is there really enough work between international dates to keep an NT coach busy? Especially in North america? In europe when WCQ and WC ends, euro qualifying starts immediately so there is a bit more of a consistancy. But outside Europe, there are long gap whereby you are paying a guy anywhere from 200-500k a year to do nothing for most of the year. Plus they have a staff of assistant coaches. The downside is that this setup would practically rule out any coach from outside North america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 On September 18, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Unnamed Trialist said: I agree with this in principle, the only real exception is if you really have a guy working technically with the FA in question and deeply involved in everything from U-17 up, busy, active, scouting, working on training and models, engaged with the regions. Our problem is that someone who would be ready to handle that would be likely Canadian, or quick to tune in and engage, but we do not have the quality at home for the senior MNT. Yes, thats another option. Why not give the guy the reins to the senior team and olympic and u20 teams? Makes sence to me. That way you establish a conistency in familiarity play and tactics. Also, Maybe that way they get to see players more, they wont get bored, and they will earn thier paycheque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Just out of curiosity, how much time did Floro and son spend in Canada/North America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 13 minutes ago, BearcatSA said: Just out of curiosity, how much time did Floro and son spend in Canada/North America? Floro began as coach on August 1st 2013. http://www.canadasoccer.com/canadian-soccer-association-announces-benito-floro-as-new-men-s-national-team-head-coach-p154405 He was in Canada/USA before that to look at what Miller was doing during the last Gold Cup. He also had "North American" coaching experience from 1999-2001 at C.F. Monterrey in Mexico. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Floro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 32 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Floro began as coach on August 1st 2013. http://www.canadasoccer.com/canadian-soccer-association-announces-benito-floro-as-new-men-s-national-team-head-coach-p154405 He was in Canada/USA before that to look at what Miller was doing during the last Gold Cup. He also had "North American" coaching experience from 1999-2001 at C.F. Monterrey in Mexico. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Floro I meant from Aug 1/13 onward. How much time does he spend in NA during the domestic league seasons here, how much in Europe (or elsewhere?) during the seasons there? I'm just curious, in relation to earlier posts, what his duties included during times when he wasn't directly involved with the team for matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mluciani Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 You may have to take out Bradley's name in the coaching pool. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37487066?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_wales_sport&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=wales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 1 hour ago, mluciani said: You may have to take out Bradley's name in the coaching pool. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37487066?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_wales_sport&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=wales Bradley managing Canada was never going to happen anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mluciani Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 But you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 3 hours ago, shermanator said: Bradley managing Canada was never going to happen anyways. True but now let's get our hopes up for Sam Allardyce now that he has no job and is disgraced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 2 hours ago, matty said: True but now let's get our hopes up for Sam Allardyce now that he has no job and is disgraced Allardyce would not be a good idea; just like another famous coach - Raymond Domenech - who is also kinda free - would be a disaster. I'd take Marcelo Bielsa even though he is crazier than Floro; might be a disaster too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Allardyce would not be a good idea; just like another famous coach - Raymond Domenech - who is also kinda free - would be a disaster. I agree with you and was kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 If Floro's time at Monterrey counts as CONCACAF experience (their fans don't rate him at all iirc), then John van't Schip's cup of coffee at Chivas should be more than enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levi Oakey Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I want to see us get a coaches coach. Someone who will come and make all of our coaches better. Teach us new styles and systems. The dream for me is Carlo Ancelotti. His wife is Canadian and apparently he loves Vancouver. He is getting older and although at Bayern right now, it doesn't look to me like a long-term appointment. Maybe a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 10 hours ago, Levi Oakey said: I want to see us get a coaches coach. Someone who will come and make all of our coaches better. Teach us new styles and systems. The dream for me is Carlo Ancelotti. His wife is Canadian and apparently he loves Vancouver. He is getting older and although at Bayern right now, it doesn't look to me like a long-term appointment. Maybe a year or two. Jesus christ. Carlo ancelotti would be a dream. Never knew his wife was canadian. That would explain why he was in vancouver for one of our wcq games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloyol Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, king1010 said: Never knew his wife was canadian. That would explain why he was in vancouver for one of our wcq games. He was probably there to study Floro tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I'd be happy with an American coach or Canadian coach with a good reputation and MLS/Concacaf experience. Benito Floro was an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 23 hours ago, Levi Oakey said: I want to see us get a coaches coach. Someone who will come and make all of our coaches better. Teach us new styles and systems. The dream for me is Carlo Ancelotti. His wife is Canadian and apparently he loves Vancouver. He is getting older and although at Bayern right now, it doesn't look to me like a long-term appointment. Maybe a year or two. Just looked her up, she went to Simon Fraser then went on to finance career in the UK. I wonder how they met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levi Oakey Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Don't know. Might have been his time in London. Schurrle's wife is also Canadian. Both from Vancouver. Ancelotti got married in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Ancelloti's wife is from West Van, I think, they had their wedding ceremony there in the summer of 2014. They have a beachfront home in West Van, I believe it is in that section after Dundarave, between 25th (EDIT) and 29th on Bellevue. He appeared on a video screen at BC Place a couple times that summer and last summer as well, obviously invited by the club to a box. Don't think it is so odd to consider for Caps, depending on how things work out it could end up as a retirement job, though, frankly, coaching lower level soccer is in fact more stressful. And travel is worse in North America. But still, I would not count it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levi Oakey Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I was watching the Pep documentary earlier this week and you can see the effect that Johan Cruyff has had and now Pep Guardiola. Out of Johan Cruyff's old players, you have Ronald Koeman, Michael Laudrup, Pep Guardiola to name just a few of the players that went on to be very good coaches. The same can be said of Wolfgang Frank, a lesser coach in the Bundesliga but led to Tuchel, Klopp and others learning from him and becoming very good coaches themselves. Even Guus Hiddink has inspired good coaches down in Australia. I would say much of our current crop of Canadian coaches were inspired by Holger Osiek. I know that is a combination of success (Even if the coach wasn't a great teacher of future coaches, the fact that the player won something naturally leads to more opportunities to succeed in coaching) and having a good teacher, but getting a great coaching teachers makes sense to me right now. At least until the Gold Cup. I disagree with some that say now is the time for a Canadian coach. I think we need to have Canadian Assistance coaches, and Canadian Youth coaches but I think we could still use someone at the very pinnacle of the game that is going to bring us some success on the pitch and help us create that national identity. If you get a chance to watch November 16, the documentary on the Australian qualification, you see the admiration that the players have for Guus Hiddink and how Guus brings Australians into the fold who have helped run the team since his time. Lars Lagerback is another example. He basically trained Heimer Hallgrimsson to take over for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 17 hours ago, Levi Oakey said: I was watching the Pep documentary earlier this week and you can see the effect that Johan Cruyff has had and now Pep Guardiola. Out of Johan Cruyff's old players, you have Ronald Koeman, Michael Laudrup, Pep Guardiola to name just a few of the players that went on to be very good coaches. You could also name Eusebio Sacristan who is at Real Sociedad, Oscar Garcia who was at Brighton and left for health reasons, is now at Red Bull Salzburg, Cruyff's son is in Tel Aviv, Beguiristain is running things at Man City, Abelardo is at Sporting Gijon, Luis Enrique. Thing is, you'd want a great coach at an MLS team giving time and play and winning, to get a full inspired generation. Winning or playing very well and being close (for me Dallas in MLS right now is the best coached team), and over a period of time, and you can inspire future coaches. We've never had that thread or discussed it here: which CMNT member has had the highest quality coaching in his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I believe Bob Bradley's name was mentioned, but he just got hired by Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Yeah, shame that. I think he would have been attainable and someone that could get us in a position developmentally to be able to get an even higher grade coach. Plenty of other options out there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Bob Bradley was never in the picture as long as he had aspirations to manage a top tier European club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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